ESA issue

Exactly! It was HIS portion of the rent that was late, and they came after everyone collectively. That's what I'm saying. When one person screws up, EVERYONE on the lease is responsible. Sure, they went after that guy and his parents too, but had they not stepped up and paid the rent, the others would have been evicted and/or sent to a collection agency.

People here are saying that if one roommate walks out on a lease, only THAT ROOMMATE would be responsible and that it's "illegal" to hold the other signers on the lease financially responsible. I was saying it is NOT illegal, and that's exactly what happens in most cases.
Gotcha. I don’t know if it works the same everywhere. But, personally, I don’t think it’s responsible or ethical behavior to walk out on a lease, and I would be worried about the legal ramifications, too. If it was something that was completely intolerable for whatever reason I would go the legal route. There has got to be some recourse here if someone’s breathing is compromised or can’t ever sleep because a dog is barking all night, etc.
 
Actually it hasn't been made clear that they puppy will even be in a crate. The roommate, right now hasn't even signed a contract the other roommates drafted up, saying she will be financially responsible for any damages the puppy makes. I kind of wonder if she will even have the money to buy a crate for the dog? She may think all she has to do is close her bedroom door to keep the dog contained.

The roommate did tell them that the puppy would be kept in a crate in her room when she's not home. ☹
 
The roommate did tell them that the puppy would be kept in a crate in her room when she's not home. ☹

I was hoping that somewhere along the thread we just assumed the dog would be crated. :( I feel bad for the pup. Not so much, that the apartment might be safe while it's crated.

It might be a good thing. The pup will need so much exercise & socializing when the roommate gets home, it might be uncontrollable and she may give it up earlier.
 
I was hoping that somewhere along the thread we just assumed the dog would be crated. :( I feel bad for the pup. Not so much, that the apartment might be safe while it's crated.

It might be a good thing. The pup will need so much exercise & socializing when the roommate gets home, it might be uncontrollable and she may give it up earlier.

I feel worse for the poor puppy than I do for my daughter. :sad:
 


I’m I the only one wondering why so many college kids needs ESAs these days 🙄

Easy to answer, surprised you didn't think of it - Now that they are allowed, more people know how they can help with anxiety and depression, etc, and get them. College kids could have benefited from them in the past, but they were not allowed. I feel sorry for the kids who suffered, dropped out, self-medicated, etc, trying to cope.
 
Easy to answer, surprised you didn't think of it - Now that they are allowed, more people know how they can help with anxiety and depression, etc, and get them. College kids could have benefited from them in the past, but they were not allowed. I feel sorry for the kids who suffered, dropped out, self-medicated, etc, trying to cope.
I disagree. I think most college students who have a pet simply WANT a pet. They figure out they can be exempt from deposits, etc. if the call it an ESA. Very few really need an ESA. When I went to college, no one had pets. That was a good thing, because we didn’t have the time to properly care for them. Today, too many have “ESAs” and don’t give them the time, energy, or attention they deserve, because college students have other responsibilities and priorities. Lots of “ESAs” get dumped at the end of the semester, or even mid-year, when students realize how much work they are and how expensive they can be. That puppy or kitten gets gets less adorable and becomes more of a hassle. Too many are disposable. Too many are fake ESAs.
 


Easy to answer, surprised you didn't think of it - Now that they are allowed, more people know how they can help with anxiety and depression, etc, and get them. College kids could have benefited from them in the past, but they were not allowed. I feel sorry for the kids who suffered, dropped out, self-medicated, etc, trying to cope.
No ime it’s that young ppl these days have less coping skills to deal with the real world.
 
No, what I said stands. This literally happened to me in 1998. I had 2 roommates. One left in December, three months into our lease. She dropped out of college. My other roommate and I were told, in no uncertain terms, "it's your responsibility to find a new roommate or cover the rent." We found a new roommate but had to pay our old roommate's portion of the rent for one month. Then, a month after renewing the lease, 8 months later, those w roommates literally bailed on me to live with boyfriends. Again, I was told, "it's your responsibility to find new roommates or pay the rent in full." So, I spent a year with a revolving door worth of crazy roommates. It was ridiculous. The following year, a good friend from work agreed to share a 2br apartment with me senior year. Such a relief. It is ABSOLUTELY legal. 100%. It doesn't seem right, but that's how it is in the vast majority of places.

In neither case did the apartment manager make any attempt to even contact the tenants who bailed. It was all on me.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-rights-book/chapter6-3.html
Its called being in privity with the landlord and with the cotenants. Landlord can hold all of them liable, none of them liable, or some of them liable. Depending on how the lease is written, they may need permission to sublet, subletting May not be permitted at all, or the landlord can accept surrender and relet on account.
The co-tenants have causes of action against the breaching tenant based on, damage she(or her esa or pet or guest or whatever) cause, back rent, legal fees, loss of time to deal with finding a replacement tenant, late fees, etc. In short, everyone can sue everyone here and not just in small claims court. The missing rent payments and potty damage alone can get over the threshold anounts quickly. Now a add a super chewer and a few door frames and we start moving into substantial damages. And BTW, small claims is easy to file. Its made for self help. You hope you have a small claims case so you don’t have to pay someone like me to do your fighting for you.
 
I disagree. I believe the internet has made it seem that way, but students have been suffering from anxiety and depression forever. They just dropped out, committed suicide, or suffered in silence, thinking that they should be ashamed of how they felt.
Sorry but that still happens a good bit & medication & therapy are most effective in those extreme cases not having a puppy.
 
No ime it’s that young ppl these days have less coping skills to deal with the real world.

That line of thinking is what leads people to incorrectly believe that a LOT of mental/neurological disorders are "more common" now (when they aren't more common, they're just being properly diagnosed). Young people are actually BETTER equipped to deal with the stress of the real world than we were, because they don't feel pressured to hide it. Young people don't "keep up appearances" the way we did and our parents did, everything is on front street. it might make them seem more fragile but they're WAY more honest about their struggles than we ever were.

Does that mean people aren't taking advantage of things like ESA? Of course people are taking advantage, there have been folks who look for ways to work the system since the dawn of civilization. That doesn't mean they represent the majority.
 
I hope they are able to get things worked out. I feel bad for that poor puppy. It shouldn't be left home alone all day!

I had an ESA in college but it was a cat, and I lived alone. I have had mental health issues since a young age, and a grandmother had recently passed and another was not in good shape. My therapist said it was a great idea. I thankfully didn't drop it on a roommate. I actually moved out of university housing to get her. 8 years later and best decision ever. So I understand why someone would want an ESA, but they need to be there to take care of the animal! I was gone less than that of a full time working person.
 
DD got back to her apt Saturday night. All roommates were there. The one did sign the roommate agreement! That makes us feel a lot better! No puppy yet. She says she's getting it Monday or Tuesday.

These are the rules set forth in the agreement:

IT IS THEREFORE AGREED AS FOLLOWS:
1. Each of the roommates agree to follow the rules and conditions set out in the lease
signed prior to this form, as well as, in this Roommate Agreement. All terms in this
agreement must be agreed upon before the dog enters the apartment and must be
followed for the dog to stay in the apartment for the remainder of the lease.

2. ___________________, the sole owner of the dog, will assume responsibility for all
apartment damages caused by the dog. This includes, but is not limited to, damage
to the carpet and furniture.

3. If any personal property is damaged by the dog, the owner will agree to replace that
property in a timely manner.

4. Any shedding or mess that is a result of the dog will be cleaned and kept up with by
the owner.

5. If the dog harms one of the tenants or a visitor, any medical expenses will be
covered by the owner.

6. In the case that the dog causes a major noise disturbance that impacts the tenants’
ability to sleep and/or study in the apartment, the owner will address the issue by:
I. taking the dog outside
II. having pre-planned arrangements for the dog to stay elsewhere

7. In the case that there are complaints from neighboring apartments due to noise, the
complaints will be addressed and resolved by the owner.

8. If the dog is harmed unintentionally, the owner will assume responsibility for any
expenses that come as a result. This includes, but is not limited to, eating trash,
plants, etc.


Another interesting tidbit, and I may be flamed for assuming, but on the dining room table there is a letter addressed to the roommate from Telemental Healing. We looked it up. She's an online therapist. Not sure how legit that is, if this is indeed who she got her letter from. She's not licensed in our state either. :confused3
 
The above is all well and good for feelings, until the dog eats and destroys everything in the house and the owner doesn't care about some agreement they signed on a piece of paper. I wouldn't think that holds any legal standing at all.
 
The above is all well and good for feelings, until the dog eats and destroys everything in the house and the owner doesn't care about some agreement they signed on a piece of paper. I wouldn't think that holds any legal standing at all.

I don't see why you don't think it would be legal. They all signed it and it is contract just like anything else that you sign. You can't just sign stuff and say, too bad after. If that was true, we all would be getting out of every contract that we sign. Just because it is not between a business and person, does not make it any less legal.
 
Telemental Healing. We looked it up. She's an online therapist. Not sure how legit that is, if this is indeed who she got her letter from. She's not licensed in our state either. :confused3
Eh look at it this way the way the world is going is to telemedicine. It's no different than what's being done for medicine anyways. Need a diagnosis on a cold--you can just video chat with a doc. That doesn't make it any less legit.
 

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