Disney Genie announcement

Exactly, if you previously got up at 9AM, went to the pool, then went to the parks now you can no longer guarantee 3 decent rides like you could with FP+. I would rather the FP+ system be monetized versus Genie+. Change 60 days to 14 even. The "leveling of the playing field" always means us Disboard/AP/DVC guests get less and less for more money. Sure I can get up at 9AM, go to the parks at 2PM, MAYBE get 1-5 Tier 2 rides in with Genie+ and MAYBE get the chance to pay $10-$20 to ride space mountain? That is a worse experience and that 'best case ' Genie+ scenario would cost probably $25 a person at minimum. They should have raised ticket rates to cover the $15, kept FP+, and anything past 3 FP+ costs money.
That would have been too simple. Have to make the most convoluted system possible. Under FP+ we never waited in line for anything and, over the course of our trip, we hit every ride we wanted to. Under your solution, people made brain the all inclusive feel, the day is roughly planned in advance and you don’t feel nickel and dimed to death. My park days may very well be over.
 
I also sent an email - a positive one saying if it works like MaxPass, I believe it will be a success and I am very optimistic about it. :goodvibes

I also think the deluxe evening extra hours just became a way more valuable perk. With that exclusivity of really low crowds, I won't have to purchase add-on individual attractions ... I can ride the most popular rides via standby with really low wait times during those hours at those parks.
I’ll believe that when I see it.
 
I have read through some of these 60 pages, not all though.

I believe we are at a point where our ticket is only going to be good to get us in the park. Everything else seems to be going in the direction of a la carte add-ons. Pretty soon I'll be paying for the privilege of standing in a shorter line for merchandise, then for food, then for fireworks, then for the privilege of standing under the premium shade space, then for "fill in the blank"...you get my point.

I won't be paying extras for these benefits.
 
I will wait before passing final judgement. More than anything Genie seems to be a way to manipulate crowds and even them out throughout the park. They are currently doing this with inflated wait times. I will not be blindly trusting Genie recommendations and will more rely on Touring Plans/Lines. Genie plus seems fine -- surprised it took them this long to charge for shorter lines. Change is hard. I am sure in 6 months there will be posts about how much Genie improved people's vacations with its serendipitous recommendations.
 
Agree - ROTR will be expensive, and I'm (selfishly) less concerned with that one since I've already ridden it multiple times.

For Remy... I wasn't planning to reserve Epcot for any days as we tend to just hop there at night. But if I need a park pass to try for the VQ, I'll have to rethink those plans.

Before this was announced i was planning one day in October where i would start out at Hollywood Studios and then hop to Epcot to do Food and Wine and ride Remy before going to Boo Bash. I wouldn't have had an issue waiting in a long line at Remy because that was the only ride that was a "must do" to ride. Now I don't know if that will even be a possibility to get to ride it. Hopefully they allow you to join the Remy virtual queue later in the day if you will be park hopping to Epcot. Otherwise it looks like i will be forced to pay to ride (if its even available at that time) or save money and not park hop and don't do Food and Wine (which will save me money). Not liking trying to plan a trip when you don't know what the rules are going to be.
 
I also sent an email - a positive one saying if it works like MaxPass, I believe it will be a success and I am very optimistic about it. :goodvibes

I also think the deluxe evening extra hours just became a way more valuable perk. With that exclusivity of really low crowds, I won't have to purchase add-on individual attractions ... I can ride the most popular rides via standby with really low wait times during those hours at those parks.
I am hoping that those deluxe hours prove to be valuable. We have time before our next trip to see how it all pans out but this was my initial reaction as well.
 
I will wait before passing final judgement. More than anything Genie seems to be a way to manipulate crowds and even them out throughout the park. They are currently doing this with inflated wait times. I will not be blindly trusting Genie recommendations and will more rely on Touring Plans/Lines. Genie plus seems fine -- surprised it took them this long to charge for shorter lines. Change is hard. I am sure in 6 months there will be posts about how much Genie improved people's vacations with its serendipitous recommendations.

This is a concern of mine - if they are already inflating wait times on MDE, what will they do with Genie? Keep inflating to make people think they need to buy Genie+ or IA LL? I don't trust Disney wait times now, what makes them think I will trust on Genie? If they actually do that, it would be so dishonest and I hope people call them out on it all over so the scheme would get attention.

And like you, I will probably continue to rely on TP/Lines because they are trustworthy.
 
Really difficult to judge this till its implemented, but there are things I like about it.
(I have not read through the 60 pages but the first dozen or so in this thread)

First - I do miss the old Paper fast pass system - the worked really well FOR ME and I would have preferred to see something similar to that without the paper.

One thing I did not like about FP+ was planning so far in advance it was ridiculous.
If you dont stay on property or are a local you are not as boxed out of rides as you were on FP+ IMO
You dont have to know what park you are going to be in on what day 60 days from now.
It does add that "freedom" to just show up it seems at first glance - I do like not having to plan.

I would not be surprised if it gets added to packages for "free" just like DDP did so they can charge rack rate
I would be concerned that the rides are all full up for the day by 9:30 AM for the day

What happens when the system fails for the first week - will they give people their money back? yeah Right.

Depending on how this does Id be far more likely to spend a day or two at Disney - I've given it a miss since 2016 and stick to Universal.
 
Just guessing that 7DMT would be 20/person so we would be paying 80 for our family for a FP for a 3 minute ride that used to be free? $80 for 3 mins- thats just crazy.

That's probably about right, since that's single "Vegas" ride pricing for their roller coasters...of course, almost no one rides those coasters at full price...

EDIT: Of course, you don't pay $120-$150 to enter the Vegas casino 1st...it's only the price of the coaster...
 
I have read through some of these 60 pages, not all though.

I believe we are at a point where our ticket is only going to be good to get us in the park. Everything else seems to be going in the direction of a la carte add-ons. Pretty soon I'll be paying for the privilege of standing in a shorter line for merchandise, then for food, then for fireworks, then for the privilege of standing under the premium shade space, then for "fill in the blank"...you get my point.

I won't be paying extras for these benefits.
If they actually shifted back to a ticket-per-ride system, as in the 50s-70s, with a lower gate entry price, I think that could be a win! It would make guests ration rides with money rather than only queue time, and shift the expectation away from the need to ride as many rides as possible to get your money's worth. Average rides per guest would decrease, and queue times would fall along with it.

That would work for some people, and enrage others. But it would actually make a difference.

If you think "guests spend too much time in line" is a real problem, there are only three solutions: increase supply, decrease demand, or eliminate standby queues.

Increase Supply
This option is to build a lot more high-capacity attractions so that guests are spread out between more queues. (This likely wouldn't actually work, because it would attract more guests and the balance of supply/demand would not change.)

Decrease Demand
This option is to decrease guest demand for attractions by (a) limiting attendance or (b) shifting back to a pay-per-ride system so guests ride fewer attractions on average.

Eliminate Standby
Or if you really want to eliminate time in line, you just shift to FP/LLP/VQ for every single seat and eliminate standby altogether. Guests still spend as much time waiting between rides, but now they don't do it in line. (Of course, the physical infrastructure wasn't built for this, and many guests would be furious).

If you aren't increasing the number of butts you can put in seats, or decreasing the number of butts that want to get in seats, you aren't changing the dynamic for the system as a whole. All something like Genie+ can do is make zero-sum shifts from some guests to others. In this case: from the savvy but budget-conscious über-planners and local APs, to the less-savvy but wealthy first-time / once-in-a-lifetime guest.

It makes sense for Disney, but I don't appreciate the gaslighting that this somehow makes things better for everybody rather than encouraging what they call "a more favorable guest mix".
 
Before this was announced i was planning one day in October where i would start out at Hollywood Studios and then hop to Epcot to do Food and Wine and ride Remy before going to Boo Bash. I wouldn't have had an issue waiting in a long line at Remy because that was the only ride that was a "must do" to ride. Now I don't know if that will even be a possibility to get to ride it. Hopefully they allow you to join the Remy virtual queue later in the day if you will be park hopping to Epcot. Otherwise it looks like i will be forced to pay to ride (if its even available at that time) or save money and not park hop and don't do Food and Wine (which will save me money). Not liking trying to plan a trip when you don't know what the rules are going to be.
Exactly! Especially the bolded part… I just want to be able to plan accordingly at this point.
 
I just remembered seeing pictures in the last month or so of FP kiosks being put in place in the parks - are they still there, and if so, does anybody think that they're intending to use them for Genie+/LL?
 
I also see the most likely scenario is that your stuck in a 130 min stand-by line at Splash Mountain and Genie says "upgrade for $15 for a 15 min wait". This is where I see Genie going the route of mobile gaming and pushing the "micro-transaction" as a convenience/time saver.
How will this work? The party would have to back track out of the line then enter the other line?
Sounds messy.
 
How will this work? The party would have to back track out of the line then enter the other line?
Sounds messy.
Yeah they would buy the G+ upgrade and then the party would be directed to the LL entrance to redeem their first ride. If you are at the beginning of that 2 hour wait usually getting out of line is just go under the rope and into the public walkways, so I imagine it won't be too bad until you get indoors.
 
Are the extra hours going to continue into November and December?

Even if they do, will REMY still be a virtual queue during these hours?
I don't know. I asked the same question a while ago. I hope they do. And re: Remy, same question. That's why I'm glad I have time to see how it all works and can (hopefully) plan accordingly.
 
Super long post - sorry! We’re doing all four parks in two days of park hopping so we can enjoy days off to relax and do other things. We are on site, group of ten. I’ve been gaming our days out using the Touring Plans app. Yes, I am a crazy planner, but it helps avert SO MANY arguments and wasted time in the parks.

That said, here’s where LL helps and where it doesn’t.

MK: Will hop into park in the PM and will also attend Xmas After Hours another night. Could LL Buzz, Pan, Haunted, Peoplemover, Jungle, Pirates, Dumbo, Speedway, Under the Sea, and Philharmagic. Do we NEED LL for all of those? No. Will it save us time during a shortened day? Yes, but my head will be in a phone, too. And what if all the really useful times are gone by the time we get to the park? We can catch things we miss during the after hours. Already planning to do Space, Splash, Mine Train, and BTMRR at the after hours to avoid waits. Will not spend $LL for the same reason. Would definitely $LL for reserved FW seating though, but it doesn’t look like an option.

HS: One morning with Early Entry. Will have 6+ people trying for ROTR BG so banking on an early one. Original plan was to EE RD Slinky, then do MFSR next, saving MMRR for right before hopping out of park. We don’t have a lot of interest in TOT/RNR. So - we could LL MFSR, MMRR, TSM and actually have the option to do TOT/RNR for the few who want to. LLs would be incredibly useful for Jedi Training, Indy, Frozen, and B&B (assuming all are back). I do not want to waste precious minutes queuing up for a seat at shows. If shows are not on LL maybe the $$ and a little extra is better spent on $LL for MFSR or MMRR.

EP: Hopping into park for the PM. We are focusing on the World Showcase and don’t care about TT. Touring Plans shows evening waits <20 min for Seas/Nemo, Spaceship Earth, and Soarin, and Frozen at 22 min. The kicker for Epcot is that the only way we could do Remy would be $LL because we would miss any chance to get in the free virtual queue (assuming it works like ROTR and have to have an EP res for the day). We’re also very food-oriented so we’re probably not going to spend $ on $LL that could be spent at F&W or Space 220. So, we just give up on Remy?

AK: One morning with early entry. Already planned to EE RD FOP, Na’Vi, and the Safari. LL only helps us get on Kali later when it’s actually hot, and Everest which not everyone is interested in. Yes, we could use it for Dinosaur and Bug but those are both low interest and low waits. Again, would definitely use LL for Lion King and Nemo. So, maybe $$ better spent on $LL FOP to avoid the chaos of RD.

Conclusion: If we pay for Genie+ that helps us most at MK and HS. So that puts us doing HS/MK day Genie+ and AK/EP day with possible $LL FOP and Remy. It just really doesn’t seem like the $15 option would help with enough lines in AK and EP, but $LL could. UNLESS you factor in riding multiple times. But with our limited time we probably wouldn’t do that anyway - we’d take more rest breaks instead.

I think LL coupled with the Genie planner is probably a great thing for families spending multiple full days in the parks who don’t want to plan ahead and/or have certain rides they want to do over and over. But for a large group with limited hours, where it seems like at least one person really wants to do nearly every attraction at least once, I’m not sure it will help much. ESPECIALLY because I can’t set it up ahead of time, it actually makes being the planner MORE difficult. I personally can’t afford to gamble $1500 in daily park passes on a new service that won’t get us to everything we want and might possibly send us running all over the park as wait times fluctuate throughout the day. I’ve done that with the old paper FP, no thanks.

I could cry after putting together our plans. I wanted to be DONE with this by now and ready to make ADRs and park reservations!!
 

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