Disney Genie announcement

[Disturbia]

it's been confirmed by disney that you don't have to. It's use the pass you have or wait two hours- which ever comes first.

So if it’s 2 hours after your pass and I hold 10-11; then I can only book 12 pm at 10 am which would have been when my first pass started and I would have rode? that leaves a gap of 11-12pm.

Maybe we all confused start of pass (10 am) vs booking window start (7 am)

 

[dawnball]

I bet the system automatically adds half an hour or an hour to prevent holding 2 all day long; on our end we will only see next available at noon

I doubt it. It's to their advantage for people to use LL access early in the day. Each ride can accommodate so many riders per hour. If the early LL openings go unused, that's wasted capacity. They're limiting usage by eliminating re-rides.

What do you actually need a LL for at Epcot, for example? Test Track, maybe MIssion Space, maybe Soarin'. I don't think that anything else at Epcot will schedule far enough out that stacking would come into play except on very busy days.

Edit: added very busy days.

 

[dawnball]

So if it’s 2 hours after your pass and I hold 10-11; then I can only book 12 pm at 10 am which would have been when my first pass started and I would have rode? that leaves a gap of 11-12pm.

Maybe we all confused start of pass (10 am) vs booking window start (7 am)

It's 2 hours from when you scheduled the return time. So if you book your first LL time at 7:30am (say for a 9:45 return time), you can book the next one at 9:30am. If you booked for a 9:15 return time, you could enter the LL at 9:15, then book the next one. (It's unclear if you can book the next one at 9:15 without entering the LL yet.) Also, you can rebook LL access, and no one has said what that does to your next-available booking time.

 

[Disturbia]

For an 8 am opening

at 7 am I can book 8-9 and 9-10

OR

at 7 am I can book 8-9; then at 8 am I can book 10-11?

 

[AndreaA]

it's been confirmed by disney that you don't have to. It's use the pass you have or wait two hours- which ever comes first.

People keep saying “it’s confirmed” but the only confirmation is from a Q&A which is NOT confirmation, IMO. When it’s written down somewhere, THAT’S confirmation.

Also, if the passes are “next available”, then anyone getting up at 7am should be getting the passes that are available pretty much within an hour of opening, unless all the “super tourists” get up at 7am, thus pushing the times out, which would absolutely SUCK for ”normal” people who wait to get into the park to schedule their first ride. This is why we can’t have nice things - because some people are determined to skirt the rules in order to get more for themselves.

I REALLY hope that the rule of having to use your pass before getting another one sticks.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

For an 8 am opening

at 7 am I can book 8-9 and 9-10

OR

at 7 am I can book 8-9; then at 8 am I can book 10-11?

Neither.
For an 8am opening, at 7am you can book 8-9am (or whatever is first available), then at 9am (or whenever you tap into the ride), you can book the next one. That is my understanding at least. It's 2 hours from the time you make the reservation or after you tap in, whichever is first.

 

[AndreaA]

For an 8 am opening

at 7 am I can book 8-9 and 9-10

OR

at 7 am I can book 8-9; then at 8 am I can book 10-11?

No, what people are suggesting (not confirmed, IMO) is that for an 8am opening, you can:

at 7am book for 9-10
at 9am book for 10-11 (even if you haven’t gone on your first 9-10 slot ride yet)

Honestly it’s pretty pointless, because if you’re booking at 7am, then yes, you could very well get an 8-9 slot, and then ride and book your second at 8:30 or something. People are just determined to “work the system” just because they can, even if it makes very little sense.

 

[Disturbia]

People keep saying “it’s confirmed” but the only confirmation is from a Q&A which is NOT confirmation, IMO. When it’s written down somewhere, THAT’S confirmation.

Also, if the passes are “next available”, then anyone getting up at 7am should be getting the passes that are available pretty much within an hour of opening, unless all the “super tourists” get up at 7am, thus pushing the times out, which would absolutely SUCK for ”normal” people who wait to get into the park to schedule their first ride. This is why we can’t have nice things - because some people are determined to skirt the rules in order to get more for themselves.

I REALLY hope that the rule of having to use your pass before getting another one sticks.

this is all still within the rules. We don’t get up early (different time zone), but I still want to understand the system to see if my soarin fp will be at 5 pm. If someone got up at 6 and was at the parks by 7 am with 3 kids, they can go ahead and ride; it’s just not worth the exhaustion for us.

 

[snikki]

I really don’t think they’re going to let you stack LL before the park even opens. And I don’t see 10-11 am return times for most rides within 30 minutes of opening.

 

[Disturbia]

I really don’t think they’re going to let you stack LL before the park even opens. And I don’t see 10-11 am return times for most rides within 30 minutes of opening.

That’s what I was thinking; not everyone can get the 9-10 am slot so some people will be pushed into the 10-11 am so it all balances out.

 

[AndreaA]

this is all still within the rules. We don’t get up early (different time zone), but I still want to understand the system to see if my soarin fp will be at 5 pm. If someone got up at 6 and was at the parks by 7 am with 3 kids, they can go ahead and ride; it’s just not worth the exhaustion for us.

Yeah, but you’ll care if that person was online and part of a crowd booking passes that then pushes your time out to 8pm just so that they can get one more ride in.

 

[Disturbia]

Neither.
For an 8am opening, at 7am you can book 8-9am (or whatever is first available), then at 9am (or whenever you tap into the ride), you can book the next one. That is my understanding at least. It's 2 hours from the time you make the reservation or after you tap in, whichever is first.

This makes sense to me and feels like the old fp+ system.

 

[snikki]

This makes sense to me and feels like the old fp+ system.

I feel that this whole system is a virtual legacy FP system. Except you have to use your FP/LL in the allotted time. Not whenever you wanted to like legacy FP.

 

[Disturbia]

Yeah, but you’ll care if that person was online and part of a crowd booking passes that then pushes your time out to 8pm just so that they can get one more ride in.

l’ll be riding figment and dreaming of soarin then. If it works like this I bet there will be tons of disappointed and angry guests.

 

[focusondisney]

I’m interested in APs who have a resort stay. Hopefully we’ll be able to purchase for length of stay. I realize it doesn’t look like it now. But just hoping it will play out that way eventually. Just like we can make park reservations for length of stay.

 

[snikki]

IMO you didn’t and don’t need FP/LL at 8-9 am. Or even 10 am for most rides. Most of our fp+ were set for evenings so we did rope drop, midday break and then used our FP+ at our evening park. We would also sleep in some days and have our FP+ set for midday or the evening. We rarely pulled additional FP+. We never had an issue riding our favorites multiple times and we never waited more than 20 minutes for any ride and we rode everything we wanted. We do take longer trips (8-9 days) and tend to break up our park days in half days doing each park for rope drop at least once and two evenings in each park.

I could see us not buying G+ and doing RD at AM park, hang at the pool and then do ILL at the PM park. Or sleeping in and having a leisurely morning (I’m up at 7 am anyway), buying ILL for midday or the evening and hitting the park in the afternoon. RD and late evenings are prime time to ride rides with minimal waits. That will still be the case with G+.

I can’t wait to read real life reviews. I have no issues with G+ and will pay if it works with how we like to tour. But as I think about it it may be beneficial for us to just pay for the ILL rides. It all depends on how it works out.

 

[katyringo]

People keep saying “it’s confirmed” but the only confirmation is from a Q&A which is NOT confirmation, IMO. When it’s written down somewhere, THAT’S confirmation.

Also, if the passes are “next available”, then anyone getting up at 7am should be getting the passes that are available pretty much within an hour of opening, unless all the “super tourists” get up at 7am, thus pushing the times out, which would absolutely SUCK for ”normal” people who wait to get into the park to schedule their first ride. This is why we can’t have nice things - because some people are determined to skirt the rules in order to get more for themselves.

I REALLY hope that the rule of having to use your pass before getting another one sticks.

no one knows for sure until it rolls out.

but like I had commented early that's exactly how maxpass worked and it's not skirting the rules if Disney lets it happens- it's maximizing the system they give you. The only park opening at 8 is AK..

so give MK with a 9 am opening

I book my first genie + at 7 and get a return time for 9-10am (the first available slot of the day)

since I booked at 7 I can book another at 9. I book another at 9 and get a (10-11) return time.

ive just enjoyed early entry having rode 2-3 rides and now I'm going to go use my two lightening lanes and the park just opened. I use them and can book another. Every 2 hours or when I use a lightening line before the 2 hours I can book another one.

we take an afternoon break- before I take the break I check return times and see some that are later in the evening. I book one more than 2 hours away. We get to the hotel and take a break and since my booking was more than 2 hours and it's been 2 hours I book another one for the evening. My family heads back to the park with 2 booked for the evening.

 

[robinb]

But I stand by it being a terrible concept. Two systems; one for the main rides and one for the premier rides is a short-sighted mistake. It also makes things confusing for the non-disney message board visitor. People don't come back to places they find expensive and confusing. One or the other, maybe...but, both?

Disney is no longer interested in the repeat visitor so it doesn’t matter if they alienate once in a lifetime guests.

 

[ftbaker1313]

I'm not convinced it will be necessary all of the time. My next trip is in Feb. and I think I will purchase day of for my weekends but not during the week. Touring plans has my weekdays at 2 and 3s. You can still do single ride buys for the headliner rides anyway.

 

[katyringo]

I could also be totally wrong, it will roll out next week and there could be no stacking what so ever.