Cabins at Fort Wilderness Points Charts Posted! For Sale and Booking Dates too!

[Sandisw]

Is this in all contracts do you know sorry?

Right now, this new language is part of the documents filed related to the Csbins Resort use plan.

But, they also update the multi site POS each year as well especially when a new resort comes online

It’s possible it’s been added to that but haven’t seen any updates yet. Someone buying now should be given the newest version. We will have to wait until someone links it or it’s on the DVC website.

As of last week, it was still last years version when VDH was added.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I think it will just be absorbed by the owners. It seems like that’s what happens even without dogs. If they actually try to keep the units in excellent condition, I suspect the dues will go up a lot over time.

This. Disney already allows dogs in some units (all?) and has for some time, so they must not feel like there is enough damage to cause concern, particularly when it's their dime to fix it. If not, they would have put the kibosh on dogs before now. Plus, it really seems humans are perfectly fine doing plenty of damage on their own, and the impact isn't limited to a torn or stained cushion or scratches on the bottom of a door or wall.

 

[DL1WDW2]

Maybe they have enough research to expect the original rush will be for the Guaranteed Fixed Week Option to grab the Halloween and Holiday dates .
This rate would guarantee those weeks remain valuable . Currently many made the decision to buy a fixed week knowing it remains steady and feels like an advantage and good decision .
Well not anymore Disney has figured out how to play that game too . They win

 

[Doberge]

Maybe they have enough research to expect the original rush will be for the Guaranteed Fixed Week Option to grab the Halloween and Holiday dates .
This rate would guarantee those weeks remain valuable . Currently many made the decision to buy a fixed week knowing it remains steady and feels like an advantage and good decision .
Well not anymore Disney has figured out how to play that game too . They win

Fixed week is a very small percentage of overall sales and nothing to change pricing strategies about.

 

[Jaydee51]

Points: 150 x $225 = $33,750
Incentive: $10 Per point = 1,500
Magical Beginnings Credit = $1,000 ( i think this is if you finance only, which i'm not a fan of)
Total: $31,250 / 150 = $208.33 per point
Dues = $1,824.00

Perhaps you can sell back the first years points @ $20pp = $3000

$188 Per Point or 1.5 years of dues

you would still have to consider the very real dues increase, no deluxe amenities and no washer/dryer in the unit (which is a huge plus for families)

 

[BrianLo]

I find the value in the cabins from a member who has direct points. The point chart itself has a lot of value IMO. However, I would not want this as my home resort especially with those dues. I am glad we have the cabins in the portfolio to choose from at the seven month mark, but am unsure about how they are going to sell these direct at the current price and incentive levels

Totally. Definitely a huge risk they were just flooding the member portfolio with a ton of units no one would want or book. But the points chart ensures these will be competitive and highly desirable at the 7 month mark.

But they aren’t a great deal for new owners and frankly a mixed trust with shared maintenance fees would have done a lot to allay that.

 

[Bo1203]

I was expecting better incentives and those dues killed it.

Hopefully they execute them well and they turn out great, would like to try them at 7 months at some point. Hopefully many members do, and they help 7 month availability across all the resorts for many years.

 

[Wendysofftoneverland]

The cabins looked like a perfect option for families of 6 to have a more affordable place to stay. My parents don't really care for the parks but love the campground, so this would have been the perfect option for when we travel together. Dues are too high for me to justify owning there unless we stay there every trip, but I was thinking of adding more direct points elsewhere to use at 7 months (have the restrictions been confirmed?). I am highly disappointed in their decision to make every cabin dog-friendly

 

[@dvcdudes]

Right now, this new language is part of the documents filed related to the Csbins Resort use plan.

But, they also update the multi site POS each year as well especially when a new resort comes online

It’s possible it’s been added to that but haven’t seen any updates yet. Someone buying now should be given the newest version. We will have to wait until someone links it or it’s on the DVC website.

As of last week, it was still last years version when VDH was added.

Interesting, thanks for sharing!!

 

[lanejudy]

It would be a major mess if it's not a separate booking category. Some people are allergic to some breeds of dogs. They will need to make sure to avoid any cabin that allows dogs. (Disclaimer: we have a dog and have a friend who cannot come over to our house because of a serious allergy).

I'm surprised by this, thought that it would be a booking category, because people with severe allergies might have to be moved because of poor cleaning of the room. Thus causing a long chain of events.

Dogs have been allowed at a few resorts for several years now, without a separate booking category. I'd be highly surprised if they implement such a category now. A PSA to those with allergies -- a service animal may occupy any unit at any resort; if there is that serious an allergy one should always specifically request an allergy-cleaning be done prior to arrival.

 

[tidefan]

The wear and tear with dogs will be insane. I think that’s why the maintenance fees are rumored to be over $12.

Won't most of this be covered by the additional $30-$50 per night pet charge? I would think that would be the money that went into specific pet upkeep funds.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Dogs have been allowed at a few resorts for several years now, without a separate booking category. I'd be highly surprised if they implement such a category now. A PSA to those with allergies -- a service animal may occupy any unit at any resort; if there is that serious an allergy one should always specifically request an allergy-cleaning be done prior to arrival.

And we all know how many "service animals" people rely upon these days...

 

[BrianLo]

My take is that the cabins could have gone a different route. Disney could have priced the points chart easily 50% higher (maybe even 100% higher). The dues would reflectively drop to ‘reasonable’ or all the way to the cheapest dues on property (with a Terrible points chart to match). The maintenance fees are the maintenance fees after all, they aren’t an active choice.

DVC could have turned around and offered deeper incentives (though surely a smaller percentage than the increased points required) and likewise wound up with more money in their pocket.

Ultimately purchasers would have been no further ahead, other than probably having to pay more upfront and have their points be more sleep around-able. Current owners would be worse off with less desirable expensive units entering the mix. Future Reflections 2.0 owners would have a bad points chart tied into their association. Disney would be marginally ahead with more points to sell.

The dues are really in a major way tied to how cheap these points charts technically are and I think Disney actually picked the most magnanimous route for all. Particularly if these get rolled into Reflections 2.0, the dues will come down closer to earth and Reflections 2.0 people will have almost the inverse situation of the Poly Bungalows.

Reflections 2.0 will almost certainly need Duo Studios to have a lower benchmark to market, as it will be pretty odd to have regular Deluxe Studios within a stones throw of the cost of the cabins in the same association. Though I suppose it’s good.

A lazy River later and eventually the Cabins really are grafted into a deluxe resort after all.

 

[Brian Noble]

added a lot more specific language regarding what could be seen as a pattern of rental activity.

I've been saying for years that buying-to-rent is a risky proposition. The risk just went up.

It’s possible it’s been added to [the multi-site POS] but haven’t seen any updates yet.

What's more, I do not think they are required to explicitly spell out what they believe constitutes commercial activity in order to enforce some new mechanism of identifying it. That's because when the "20 reservation rule" was added, the POS also includes the following language (emphasis added):

The Declaration of Condominium and the Membership Agreement for the Resort expressly limits the use of Ownership Interests to personal use and prohibits use for “commercial purposes,” – a pattern of rental activity or other occupancy by an Owner that the Board of the Association, in its reasonable discretion, could conclude constitutes a commercial enterprise or activity.

[...the 20 reservation rule stuff...]

This policy is not intended, and shall not be deemed, either (i) to constitute an exclusive act or statement by the Association regarding any breach of the commercial activity prohibitions set forth in the Declaration of Condominium and Membership Agreement, or (ii) to be an exhaustive list of all activities that shall be deemed to be commercial activity. Accordingly, the Association reserves the right to promulgate such additional rules or to take such additional actions or measures as it deems appropriate with respect to any breach of such prohibitions.

In other words, DVCMC believes they can shoot first and ask questions later if they want to. I can tell you that one indicator that other timeshare developers use is exactly what was explicitly articulated for the Cabins: advertising for rent on a public site.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

My take is that the cabins could have gone a different route. Disney could have priced the points chart easily 50% higher (maybe even 100% higher). The dues would reflectively drop to ‘reasonable’ or all the way to the cheapest dues on property (with a Terrible points chart to match). The maintenance fees are the maintenance fees after all, they aren’t an active choice.

DVC could have turned around and offered deeper incentives (though surely a smaller percentage than the increased points required) and likewise wound up with more money in their pocket.

Ultimately purchasers would have been no further ahead, other than probably having to pay more upfront and have their points be more sleep around-able. Current owners would be worse off with less desirable expensive units entering the mix. Future Reflections 2.0 owners would have a bad points chart tied into their association. Disney would be marginally ahead with more points to sell.

The dues are really in a major way tied to how cheap these points charts technically are and I think Disney actually picked the most magnanimous route for all. Particularly if these get rolled into Reflections 2.0, the dues will come down closer to earth and Reflections 2.0 people will have almost the inverse situation of the Poly Bungalows.

Reflections 2.0 will almost certainly need Duo Studios to have a lower benchmark to market, as it will be pretty odd to have regular Deluxe Studios within a stones throw of the cost of the cabins in the same association. Though I suppose it’s good.

A lazy River later and eventually the Cabins really are grafted into a deluxe resort after all.

If this does come true, many will be kicking themselves they didn’t get in when it was *only* $225/pt v closer to $300/pt it will be once we get to a Reflections 2.0.

On the other hand, some will be happy not having paid higher dues for 3-5 years as a trade off for a higher entry point in the future. I have to believe that DVD is thinking of their 5+ year plan with this property being sold as it is.

 

[Sandisw]

I've been saying for years that buying-to-rent is a risky proposition. The risk just went up.


What's more, I do not think they are required to explicitly spell out what they believe constitutes commercial activity in order to enforce some new mechanism of identifying it. That's because when the "20 reservation rule" was added, the POS also includes the following language (emphasis added):



In other words, DVCMC believes they can shoot first and ask questions later if they want to. I can tell you that one indicator that other timeshare developers use is exactly what was explicitly articulated for the Cabins: advertising for rent on a public site.

Just to be clear, it wasn’t any advertising but repeated used to advertise and rent over an over

My guess is someone who uses a place like the Disbosrd or a broker for the occasional rental won’t be bothered with by DVC.

 

[Matty B13]

Dogs have been allowed at a few resorts for several years now, without a separate booking category. I'd be highly surprised if they implement such a category now. A PSA to those with allergies -- a service animal may occupy any unit at any resort; if there is that serious an allergy one should always specifically request an allergy-cleaning be done prior to arrival.

Yes, but not at DVC only Resorts which are usually 100% occupied. At the other resorts they have more units available to accommodate these situations.

I just think it is a poor decision that will lead to some big confrontations that could be easily avoided with a booking category. Especially if someone has a medical emergency because they were not aware of the dog policy.

 

[RanDIZ]

If the plan is to build out the FW area with more amenities, you would think that would be a selling feature and they would be promoting that. Also, if you are planning to add units to the trust in the future with another development that feels like pertinent news to share.

Disney dropped the ball by pushing forward with Poly tower rather than Reflections. Might have made these cabins more attractive.

 

[Hubalorian]

My take is that the cabins could have gone a different route. Disney could have priced the points chart easily 50% higher (maybe even 100% higher). The dues would reflectively drop to ‘reasonable’ or all the way to the cheapest dues on property (with a Terrible points chart to match). The maintenance fees are the maintenance fees after all, they aren’t an active choice.

DVC could have turned around and offered deeper incentives (though surely a smaller percentage than the increased points required) and likewise wound up with more money in their pocket.

Ultimately purchasers would have been no further ahead, other than probably having to pay more upfront and have their points be more sleep around-able. Current owners would be worse off with less desirable expensive units entering the mix. Future Reflections 2.0 owners would have a bad points chart tied into their association. Disney would be marginally ahead with more points to sell.

The dues are really in a major way tied to how cheap these points charts technically are and I think Disney actually picked the most magnanimous route for all. Particularly if these get rolled into Reflections 2.0, the dues will come down closer to earth and Reflections 2.0 people will have almost the inverse situation of the Poly Bungalows.

Reflections 2.0 will almost certainly need Duo Studios to have a lower benchmark to market, as it will be pretty odd to have regular Deluxe Studios within a stones throw of the cost of the cabins in the same association. Though I suppose it’s good.

A lazy River later and eventually the Cabins really are grafted into a deluxe resort after all.

In the trust agreeement they have given themselves full authority to reallocate points. So if they build Reflections 2.0 and add it to the cabin trust, they can rebalance points across the resort and cabins as they see fit. Just something to keep in mind when we talk about dues and number of points required to stay there.

 

[DonMacGregor]

My guess is someone who uses a place like the Disbosrd or a broker for the occasional rental won’t be bothered with by DVC.

And they shouldn't be. We should always have the right to use those mechanisms to rent our points if necessary. It's the Facebook and other groups that have members listing 15, 20, or more discrete reservations available to purchase, all at one time and in a rolling fashion that are and should be the target of any enforcement.