Rumored Changes to G+

[MJJME]

If Disney is waiting on DAS, which does sound good, it might now be a while. DAS is effecting thier bottom line I suspect now.

Ive read both Tom Bricker and Len Testa (2 insiders I trust the most) mention that DAS likely needs to be addressed before the changes are implemented.......And with the Six Flags ADA lawsuit, it might take a while to get clarity

 

[SL6827]

Ive read both Tom Bricker and Len Testa (2 insiders I trust the most) mention that DAS likely needs to be addressed before the changes are implemented.......And with the Six Flags ADA lawsuit, it might take a while to get clarity

Probably so.

 

[starlite_]

I was not knocking rider swap. It's great. I was using it as an example of a loophole that no one on this thread questions, even though far more people use the LL for rider swap than DAS. The hypocrisy of repeatedly pointing out the holes in a disability access service, but never pointing out the holes in the far more commonly used (and line clogging) rider swap system was my point. The child who rides 7DMT twice in a row with each parent got to immediately join the LL the second time, unlike those using DAS (even DAS abusers) who had to wait a full 2 hours to step foot into the LL for the first time.

It's just very odd to me that DAS abuse is the inevitable scapegoat.

I would love to see those numbers, care to share the link??

Disclaimer: I am not trying to **** on DAS or Rider Swap, but you seem so sure of the numbers so there must be data backing your statements and I am very curious to see it.

 

[Jrb1979]

Ive read both Tom Bricker and Len Testa (2 insiders I trust the most) mention that DAS likely needs to be addressed before the changes are implemented.......And with the Six Flags ADA lawsuit, it might take a while to get clarity

As I said earlier the easiest solution maybe to say if you use DAS, you can't use Genie+ too.

 

[MJJME]

Well, that’s just horrifying. I don’t assume there is DAS abuse because I see people who don’t appear to need it- I have a family member that qualifies for DAS, but we use Genie+ instead. You would not know they need DAS by looking at them. I assume there is DAS abuse because of human nature (and also another relative that openly abuses DAS- they needed it at one time, but no longer and still use it). Anything on the honor system will be abused, and the more Genie+ costs, the more will abuse it. I don’t believe it’s the vast majority, and we will never know percentages, but it’s just human nature. It’s worse for those who actually need it, because I’ve seen long LL lines and it defeats the purpose of DAS.

I am a good example of not knowing that i need DAS but qualify.......I had a stroke and am prone to blood clots in my legs being stationary for extended periods of time....Also over exposure to heat increases my risk of reoccurrence

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

As I said earlier the easiest solution maybe to say if you use DAS, you can't use Genie+ too.

I'm not sure that would be allowable because Genie+/ILL same as FP+, MP, FP is a service anyone can use (subject to availability). DAS is a service only those who qualify due to specific needs can use.

I get where you're coming from but the cons would outweigh the pros on that one IMO. What they appear to be doing is over time readdressing some though not all issues by tightening what qualifies for DAS. I know there was the main discussion surrounding bathroom issues as having that higher scrutiny of qualifying. DAS isn't diagnosed based but need-based and Disney can choose to define what think fits into that. Same as when mobility issues were adjusted.

Regardless of whatever tightening up you see I think there will still be an overlap of guests who qualify for DAS and use Genie+/ILL, the impacts of that may lessen as time goes on depending on how Disney reacts/adjusts. I know people are waiting to see about documentation which would be probably the largest shift for Disney as a company if that ever happened. I myself was surprised when Universal went this route TBH.

 

[mamaofsix]

My apologies but you did indeed and are continuing to engage in the conversation regarding that topic.

As far as another thread like any thread here it meanders in topics but DAS is an integral part of Genie+ and usage of it especially if there are changes that eventually IDK before the next ice age occur as it very well may impact DAS users who are among posters on this Board and this thread. If DAS discussion regardless of what it entails is grating on you I understand that but it might be best to then step away yourself from that conversation even while allowing others to continu

1) Ignore the thread/notification even just temporarily
2) Ignore the posts surrounding DAS topic (which was actually what I was referring to as I said "if the DAS discussion")

You've engaged with at least 5 different posters including myself directly related to DAS in 2 hours and were the first to engage with the poster who brought up this morning regarding what they read on FB pages. I'm just saying if that isn't what you want to see bypass this conversation regarding DAS rather than continue with it and then telling others to stop talking about it. Eventually the topic will go to something else, it always does, give it time

Yes, I could ignore the thread I created. As the mom of children with disabilities, perhaps it would be better for me to ask the mods to lock it and those who want to discuss DAS use and abuse could start their own thread.

 

[BrianL]

I don't know about other services but after Disney did their revamp of the ADR booking system Touring Plan's reservation finder no longer works. That one was my go to since it was free.

I find Standby Skipper so funny because it costs $25 a day or $45 for seven days. So on top of your park admission AND Genie+, you are paying this additional fee to have the pleasure of not booking your own LLs. Oh and it doesn't do virtual queues or ILLs.

Oh, I didn't know the reservation finder stopped working? I used that one!

 

[Smugpugmug]

Oh, I didn't know the reservation finder stopped working? I used that one!

Yup, they claim it's due to technical difficulties I never used the paid ones since Touring Plans worked really well.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't know about other services but after Disney did their revamp of the ADR booking system Touring Plan's reservation finder no longer works. That one was my go to since it was free.

I find Standby Skipper so funny because it costs $25 a day or $45 for seven days. So on top of your park admission AND Genie+, you are paying this additional fee to have the pleasure of not booking your own LLs. Oh and it doesn't do virtual queues or ILLs.

I used that one too because it was free, good to know it no longer works. I admittedly only used it for that 2022 trip and only for 2 restaurants (one with just my husband and I and one for our group) but I know people used that one a lot.

It is an all around strange thing I think to even have a service like a bot scooping up return times even crop up. Of course people are ingenious and someone was bound to come up with it but I could see Disney offering it themselves as a Concierge-type spin. I believe that's how the 3 added FP+ for Club Level (the ones you paid $150 for) worked IIRC that someone was booking those for you?? Or maybe I'm not remembering that correctly. But at least it was a person doing it not bots.

 

[MJJME]

I used that one too because it was free, good to know it no longer works. I admittedly only used it for that 2022 trip and only for 2 restaurants (one with just my husband and I and one for our group) but I know people used that one a lot.

It is an all around strange thing I think to even have a service like a bot scooping up return times even crop up. Of course people are ingenious and someone was bound to come up with it but I could see Disney offering it themselves as a Concierge-type spin. I believe that's how the 3 added FP+ for Club Level (the ones you paid $150 for) worked IIRC that someone was booking those for you?? Or maybe I'm not remembering that correctly. But at least it was a person doing it not bots.

I did that 2x and it was a person booking for you

 

[rmclain73]

In other threads on this forum, the mention or naming of third-party apps to assist in ADR, and securing lightning lanes is strictly prohibited.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I used that one too because it was free, good to know it no longer works. I admittedly only used it for that 2022 trip and only for 2 restaurants (one with just my husband and I and one for our group) but I know people used that one a lot.

It is an all around strange thing I think to even have a service like a bot scooping up return times even crop up. Of course people are ingenious and someone was bound to come up with it but I could see Disney offering it themselves as a Concierge-type spin. I believe that's how the 3 added FP+ for Club Level (the ones you paid $150 for) worked IIRC that someone was booking those for you?? Or maybe I'm not remembering that correctly. But at least it was a person doing it not bots.

My biggest issue with it is that I don't feel comfortable giving an outside company access to MDE.

When or if Genie+ gets a revamp, I bet Disney will add in a "patch" to make this service worthless. I know they tried once before but it seems like it's back up and working.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My biggest issue with it is that I don't feel comfortable giving an outside company access to MDE.

When or if Genie+ gets a revamp, I bet Disney will add in a "patch" to make this service worthless. I know they tried once before but it seems like it's back up and working.

ITA access to MDE like that feels uncomfortable to me. Seems very possible Disney could make changes in their background to make it very difficult for 3rd party services to get that. Disney usually allows stuff until they decide it's hurting them too much. I'm assuming if Disney ever does their own thing here it'll cost money or be tied to some status measure (type of lodging, onsite/offsite, ticket type, etc).

 

[starlite_]

I used that one too because it was free, good to know it no longer works. I admittedly only used it for that 2022 trip and only for 2 restaurants (one with just my husband and I and one for our group) but I know people used that one a lot.

It is an all around strange thing I think to even have a service like a bot scooping up return times even crop up. Of course people are ingenious and someone was bound to come up with it but I could see Disney offering it themselves as a Concierge-type spin. I believe that's how the 3 added FP+ for Club Level (the ones you paid $150 for) worked IIRC that someone was booking those for you?? Or maybe I'm not remembering that correctly. But at least it was a person doing it not bots.

I think this might actually be a good option. Genie++, where you pay an extra fee of $150 and a bot books your pre-selected LLs when they become available. Maybe with a limit of how many LLs can be booked this way or something similar.

Should make the rich planner folk happy without eating actual reservations before everyone else can access them.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think this might actually be a good option. Genie++, where you pay an extra fee of $150 and a bot books your pre-selected LLs when they become available. Maybe with a limit of how many LLs can be booked this way or something similar.

Should make the rich planner folk happy without eating actual reservations before everyone else can access them.

Well I don't think it's the "rich planner" but otherwise I agree with you on a general level.

 

[kc51570]

I think this might actually be a good option. Genie++, where you pay an extra fee of $150 and a bot books your pre-selected LLs when they become available. Maybe with a limit of how many LLs can be booked this way or something similar.

Should make the rich planner folk happy without eating actual reservations before everyone else can access them.

It wasn’t a bot booking them. It was a phone call with club services 90 days ahead of your trip only available to those staying club level. They were allowed 3 extra prebooked FPs before everyone else for an extra $150. I don’t remember the exact cost, maybe it was an extra $50pp per day, but you had to pay for 3 days. I think if it were offered to those outside of club level at that price, demand would have exceeded supply.

 

[MJJME]

It wasn’t a bot booking them. It was a phone call with club services 90 days ahead of your trip only available to those staying club level. They were allowed 3 extra prebooked FPs before everyone else for an extra $150. I don’t remember the exact cost, maybe it was an extra $50pp per day, but you had to pay for 3 days. I think if it were offered to those outside of club level at that price, demand would have exceeded supply.

Correct....it was $50pp per day.........but the reason why it was so valuable was there were no tiers.......so you would have 4 tier 1 rides and 2 tier 2 rides booked (3 regular FP+ and the 3 paid for selections)

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It wasn’t a bot booking them. It was a phone call with club services 90 days ahead of your trip only available to those staying club level. They were allowed 3 extra prebooked FPs before everyone else for an extra $150. I don’t remember the exact cost, maybe it was an extra $50pp per day, but you had to pay for 3 days. I think if it were offered to those outside of club level at that price, demand would have exceeded supply.

Yeah that was something I almost mentioned in response. Disney doesn't often limit enough but they really would need to if they introduced what I was referring to. But that could just simply be a limit on the number allowed to be sold per day per park. However, my gut says they would rather shift that to more status-oriented like they did with evening EMH for Deluxe only and I honestly dislike that. But I think if you actually made the service for Genie+ a bot probably would be the way they would go these days as that's in line with technology of today.

This is all just random talk but it's a way for Disney to turn what other services are doing if it's affecting their bottom line enough, it does also address pain points regarding efforts involved in getting ride selections. The fact that they took over the ADR finding is pretty big IMO with respects to looking at what 3rd parties are doing.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I think this might actually be a good option. Genie++, where you pay an extra fee of $150 and a bot books your pre-selected LLs when they become available. Maybe with a limit of how many LLs can be booked this way or something similar.

Should make the rich planner folk happy without eating actual reservations before everyone else can access them.

The super rich planners just buy the VIP tours. They don't bother with any of the Genie+ stuff.