13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

Now that would change things. Where did that info come from if the hospital hasn’t been allowed to comment?

LSUmiss.......you have posted quite a few times on this "dead" thread (please no pun intended) since early this morning. Why now? This has been resurrected (again no pun intended for the young lady involved) several times since the thread was started 5 years ago. Just wondering why are you so adamant now? Not in it to start an argument.....just truly wondering why now??:duck:
 
LSUmiss.......you have posted quite a few times on this "dead" thread (please no pun intended) since early this morning. Why now? This has been resurrected (again no pun intended for the young lady involved) several times since the thread was started 5 years ago. Just wondering why are you so adamant now? Not in it to start an argument.....just truly wondering why now??:duck:
I only commented on it when someone else resurrected it b/c I thought it deserved commenting. The post that caught my attention was the recent one that called the family racist & greedy. After that, I mostly responded to ppl responding to my other posts. I would not have resurrected it for sure!
 
I only commented on it when someone else resurrected it b/c I thought it deserved commenting. The post that caught my attention was the recent one that called the family racist & greedy. After that, I mostly responded to ppl responding to my other posts. I would not have resurrected it for sure!

Thank you for your reply. :)
 


How dismissive & rude. But, from previous posts I have seen you make in other threads, I am not surprised. It’s not a bias against anyone. It’s an opinion based on personal experiences INCLUDING working in the system before it effected our family. Most of my friends & family are nurses or doctors. They have seen it too & acknowledge it. The system is messed up on the whole. Good for you that you have not had the opportunity to experience this. Doesn’t mean that you get to discount others’ experiences.

Not dismissive you have a bias and will not actual acknowledge it
 
Not dismissive you have a bias and will not actual acknowledge it
Dismissive for you to compare it to something as trivial as nail salons. I doubt you had someone die as a result of a manicure. We are all biased. That’s what opinions are. They come from our experiences. But, even if I haven’t had a negative experience with something doesn’t mean I discount that others have. I’m moving on from replying to you. I’ve never found it to be productive.
 
Interesting and thought provoking? LOL Nope. She’s been dead for years. The only thing this shows is that her family are racist and money hungry.

An outrageous assumption on your part. Would I have pulled the plug? Absolutely. However I do not think for a second that their failure to do so had anything to do with their desire for a larger settlement from Kaiser.
 


An outrageous assumption on your part. Would I have pulled the plug? Absolutely. However I do not think for a second that their failure to do so had anything to do with their desire for a larger settlement from Kaiser.

It's not Kaiser. I'm not sure how Kaiser would handle it, but they're a lot larger. It's the former Children's Hospital Medical Center of Northern California, now combined with UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital. I'm not quite sure about all the financial arrangements. Various info says they're affiliated but not necessarily owned by UCSF.

But regardless of any culpability (and they would easily settle for the $250,000 capped damages) she is unequivocally dead under the laws of California.
 
All of our experiences influence our opinions. I understand it’s a complicated issue. But, race also can effect things as has been documented in other cases. It’s different discussions. Insurance has nothing to do with sending a dead man who died in their care a letter to schedule an appt with a new oncologist. I had seen this kind of stuff long before it effected us so it wasn’t a surprise unfortunately. It wasn’t just waiting on the insurance co. Like I said, so much more happened too. It’s a business...a lucrative business at that. So just like any business, sometimes practices come back to bite them & they have to pay & should. Might not be the case with this family. But, I can understand their wanting someone to pay.

How dismissive & rude. But, from previous posts I have seen you make in other threads, I am not surprised. It’s not a bias against anyone. It’s an opinion based on personal experiences INCLUDING working in the system before it effected our family. Most of my friends & family are nurses or doctors. They have seen it too & acknowledge it. The system is messed up on the whole. Good for you that you have not had the opportunity to experience this. Doesn’t mean that you get to discount others’ experiences.

I often agree with you on threads, but I feel like on this one you are adamant the doctors were negligent, that the family wasn't informed of the risks, that she never should have had the surgery in the first place etc... You're leaving no room for the possibility that it was just an unfortunate outcome for this little girl. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Until we see how the case works out and the hospital's story, we really don't know and it's not fair to lay all of the blame at their feet.
 
This entire case is tragic & I wasn't there and it seems like a "she said, he said" thing at this point so I don't want to comment on what actually happened.

All I want to comment on is the racist comment from earlier in the thread. You can't be racist against whites in the United States, especially if you are a member of a group that has been systemically oppressed historically.

The fact is, as other posters have said, race has historically played a role in the health care system. Did these doctors specifically decide to treat Jahi poorly because of her race? We may never know. But I don't think it's unreasonable or shocking for her parents to feel that way if they truly do, and it's certainly not racism for them to feel that way.
 
This entire case is tragic & I wasn't there and it seems like a "she said, he said" thing at this point so I don't want to comment on what actually happened.

All I want to comment on is the racist comment from earlier in the thread. You can't be racist against whites in the United States, especially if you are a member of a group that has been systemically oppressed historically.

The fact is, as other posters have said, race has historically played a role in the health care system. Did these doctors specifically decide to treat Jahi poorly because of her race? We may never know. But I don't think it's unreasonable or shocking for her parents to feel that way if they truly do, and it's certainly not racism for them to feel that way.
:eek: :faint:
 
Oh the white people knew that! You would think one shouldn't be against any race, but that one is ok.

I'm not saying its "good" to be against another race, or even that Jahi's family isn't prejudiced against white people. All I am saying is that they are not RACIST, you can't be racist against a group that is not systemically oppressed. Racism is rooted in oppression and a belief of superiority that is culturally ingrained.
 
I'm not saying its "good" to be against another race, or even that Jahi's family isn't prejudiced against white people. All I am saying is that they are not RACIST, you can't be racist against a group that is not systemically oppressed. Racism is rooted in oppression and a belief of superiority that is culturally ingrained.
Not according to Oxford Dictionary.

Racist: A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
 
Honestly, I do not think this is a case of Jahi not getting proper care because of the color of her skin. I say that having worked early in my career in a hospital very similar to CHO, and in similar adult hospitals ever since. (That is not to dispute studies that say there can be a disparity in the care of African Americans and other minorities, because I believe that can be true. But I think something else was at play here.)

From what I've read of the case, what I think needed to happen was that Jahi be taken back to the OR to correct the bleeding, likely from the carotid artery that was very near to the surgical site, and that didn't happen. It didn't happen because the covering doctors did not intervene when they were notified repeatedly throughout the evening of her bleeding**. (See Section 22 of the Malpractice document above.) This can, unfortunately, sometimes happen in hospitals where it's part of the culture to allow tired and overwhelmed doctors to ignore requests for help, especially at night.

The nurses had a responsibility to escalate their requests for assistance when they got no response from the doctors on call, taking it as high or as broad as they needed to to get help for Jahi. (Sections 30-33.) That is not always an easy thing to do, especially for a less-experienced staff. And I'll admit that sometimes it's a lot easier to look back at things and say we should've done this or that, than it is looking forward when you're in that actual situation and perhaps trying to care for someone like Jahi as well as another patient (or patients) who may be vomiting, or having complications or pain, also, and dealing with families' questions and concerns, etc.

But pints of blood are too much blood to lose. A little blood, yes. That much blood, no.

This was a very unfortunate situation in a lot of ways.

But I don't believe it had anything to do with her race. Had she been a white girl, the response likely wouldn't have been any different. (UNLESS she was the family member of a VIP - THAT would've gotten attention, sadly enough.)

I hope when this case eventually comes to court that it helps change the culture in hospitals that still exists today that some doctors don't want to be disturbed, and learn that by dragging their feet over and over they can get away with not responding to requests. There was a case in the 80s that changed culture once before in a big way, where legislation dictated how many hours resident doctors could be working after a young diabetic woman died as the result of an error by a resident who'd been working for 36 hours straight. I hope that this case has similar results in that requests for assistance cannot be ignored.

** Hospitals can track electronically who was paged, how many times, and what was said, etc., so I'm sure they have that information; there will also be documentation in notes.
 

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