Disney Skyliner (Gondola Transportation System) Read Post 1 Now Open!

DanBoris · Apr 22, 2018

beer dave said:
Wouldn't the inside rotor carry the cable that runs at higher speed and carries the gondolas and the outer loop be where the cars slow or stop for loading? I don't have experience with gondola construction but seems that the support cable would need it's own rotor and the loading section would be separate from it...

No, the cars do disconnect from the cable but they follow the same path as the cable. According to the author of Lift Blog the configuration we see in the aerials is very unusual.

beer dave · Apr 22, 2018

DanBoris said:
No, the cars do disconnect from the cable but they follow the same path as the cable. According to the author of Lift Blog the configuration we see in the aerials is very unusual.

Ok--- hence the confusion on the two rotors....time will tell. Maybe the second is for a turn out so that while loading cars, others (empty)(or recently unloaded during times of high flow in one direction) can bypass the loading terminal and return to the opposite terminal to increase capacity. Maybe they will unload prior to the two rotors.... Then depending on the demand for the return direction, either load in the outer rotor or send the car back on the inner..... This would also fit the idea of needing to send empty cars on to riviera....Only so many cars can occupy the loading rotor--- and when more cars than can fit the loading zone arrive, they can be sent through to the next destination empty....

beer dave · Apr 22, 2018

Maybe there will be 2 carrying cables, one running through the first rotor and one running through the second (thinking over/under?)--- and as the car arrives in the station, unloads prior the the rotors, it then remains on one or the other cable--depending on how full the load area is.... so when there is a stoppage in the loading area, the balance of the empty cars continue on to the alternate station.....

skier_pete · Apr 22, 2018

beer dave said:
Maybe there will be 2 carrying cables, one running through the first rotor and one running through the second (thinking over/under?)--- and as the car arrives in the station, unloads prior the the rotors, it then remains on one or the other cable--depending on how full the load area is.... so when there is a stoppage in the loading area, the balance of the empty cars continue on to the alternate station.....

Wonder if it could be to bring handicap cars to allow longer loading times? Would mean they would have to have it everywhere though.

DanBoris · Apr 22, 2018

beer dave said:
Maybe there will be 2 carrying cables, one running through the first rotor and one running through the second (thinking over/under?)--- and as the car arrives in the station, unloads prior the the rotors, it then remains on one or the other cable--depending on how full the load area is.... so when there is a stoppage in the loading area, the balance of the empty cars continue on to the alternate station.....

That would require to sets of cable guides on the towers which there aren't.

beer dave · Apr 22, 2018

DanBoris said:
That would require to sets of cable guides on the towers which there aren't.

Ok....so a second loop just around the two rotors that the cars could be optioned to or not to.... regardless of how it works, I think it seems fairly reasonable to want to be able to send some cars through without having them enter the loading area.... and I don't claim to be a cable lift engineer-- just trying to make sense of the new info, which if the ski lift guru's don't understand, is clearly new and open in my opinion for armchair engineering......

beer dave · Apr 22, 2018

skier_pete said:
Wonder if it could be to bring handicap cars to allow longer loading times? Would mean they would have to have it everywhere though.

It already appears that they will on all three load/unloads at CBR..... any other terminals to this point yet? I don't think so...

beer dave · Apr 22, 2018

The photos of the AOA station show similar columns-- although they seem to be a bit different in spacing--- first one small sideways rectangular, then one large parallel rectangle, followed by two smaller squarish columns which in the finished example at CBR are where the two rotors are installed.....Have to check pics of the others...

beer dave · Apr 22, 2018

DHS station has the exact column configuration as AOA.....

pooh2001 · Apr 22, 2018

What happens in bad weather - will they keep the covered bus stops for buses to run again?

rteetz · Apr 22, 2018

pooh2001 said:
What happens in bad weather - will they keep the covered bus stops for buses to run again?

The gondolas will run in storms unless wind is above 40-50 miles per hour most likely.

DanBoris · Apr 22, 2018

pooh2001 said:
What happens in bad weather - will they keep the covered bus stops for buses to run again?

Bus stops aren't going away since there are a lot of non-gondola resorts that they will continue to service.

Katie & Glen · Apr 23, 2018

Jimmy Mouse said:
I don't think anything like that will happen either. It was a "what if" and I really didn't do any digging, it was in my news feed. I know nothing on how a chair lift works compared to a gondola system. I only know they are both suspended on a cable. But will we ride the new gondola? Yes.

The shortest and simplest reason as to why it can't happen on a gondola, such as Disney is installing is:
1. In that ski lift, all the loaded / weighted / occupied cars are on the left or uphill side and there is no weight on the downhill side Nd it is unbalanced. In the skyliner, Che weight will be close to equal and balanced
2. This ski lift is going uphill, skyliner is basically level- so with all weight on one side, it wants to pull all that to the bottom... And the light (uphill side) wants to go to the top. With a level system such as the skyliner at Disney, there is no "bottom" station to go to - gravity can't start a cascade- worst case scenario is everything stops and operators engage back up engine or (God forbid) the manual system to crank gondolas to the station (note, as I type this, I am envisioning the Ben Hur galley rowing scene)

rteetz · Apr 23, 2018

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joelkfla · Apr 23, 2018

DanBoris said:
After further discussion it is once again unclear the purpose of the second turn. Someone pointed out that the inner loop probably wouldn't be accessible since there is a trench you would have to cross to get to it.

If the inner loop were for general loading and the outer loop for wheelchairs, there could be a movable bridge that retracts when a wheelchair cabin is going online. That might cause some tricky timing issues, but might be doable.

Or what if the outer loop was the wheelchair loading area, and the general loading area was on the straight portion beyond where the 2 loops merge? That's essentially how the TSMM load area is configured. That would also open the possibility of a moving belt at the general load area. (Just blue-skying.)

DanBoris · Apr 23, 2018

joelkfla said:
If the inner loop were for general loading and the outer loop for wheelchairs, there could be a movable bridge that retracts when a wheelchair cabin is going online. That might cause some tricky timing issues, but might be doable.

Or what if the outer loop was the wheelchair loading area, and the general loading area was on the straight portion beyond where the 2 loops merge? That would also open the possibility of a moving belt at the general load area. (Just blue-skying.)

I think your second option is most likely.

BuzzLightyearDad · Apr 23, 2018

On the latest Disney dish podcast Jim Hill said there is new concern over the size of the international gateway especially at the end of the night/Illuminations due the amount of people planning on using the Skyliner to get back. I know this has been discussed some here previously but it’s worth a listen.

OKW Lover · Apr 23, 2018

BuzzLightyearDad said:
On the latest Disney dish podcast Jim Hill said there is new concern over the size of the international gateway especially at the end of the night/Illuminations due the amount of people planning on using the Skyliner to get back

Perhaps this is two separate issues?
1 - the number of people trying to get through (out) the gates next to World Traveler, and
2 - the number of people trying to get on the skyliner.

1 is fairly easily remedied by opening a second, backstage exit on the other side of World Traveler for those heading for the Skyliner. The rest of the crowd (ie, the ones that use this now) can continue to use the existing IG exit.

2 isn't really solvable. Its simply too many people all at once. No different really than the bus stops or the boat.

dina444444 · Apr 23, 2018

BuzzLightyearDad said:
On the latest Disney dish podcast Jim Hill said there is new concern over the size of the international gateway especially at the end of the night/Illuminations due the amount of people planning on using the Skyliner to get back. I know this has been discussed some here previously but it’s worth a listen.

I feel like the bottleneck issue will alleviate quickly because unlike the bus, boat, and monorail the skyliner will always be loading and not taking a large group then coming to a standstill to rinse and repeat.

beer dave · Apr 23, 2018

joelkfla said:
If the inner loop were for general loading and the outer loop for wheelchairs, there could be a movable bridge that retracts when a wheelchair cabin is going online. That might cause some tricky timing issues, but might be doable.

Or what if the outer loop was the wheelchair loading area, and the general loading area was on the straight portion beyond where the 2 loops merge? That's essentially how the TSMM load area is configured. That would also open the possibility of a moving belt at the general load area. (Just blue-skying.)

The "Bull Wheel" in the pictures above that was delivered to DHS appears to have two journals for cables..... I'm sticking with my theory...

Edit-- retract-- I think they are just 4 quarters bundled in pairs.....

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