A stomach surgery and fear of food

Little_Mouse

Earning My Ears
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Hello all, I don't know if there is anybody out there with problems like me but just maybe there is. I had an extensive stomach surgery when they found free air in my abdomen. They never found any perforations so the surgery turned out to be for nothing, but ever since then I have suffered from a lot of bloating, constipation and reflux. It's as though my stomach didn't like being touched and it just doesn't want to work like it used to. It has been suggested I have possible SIBO from the surgery and antibiotics. It could also very well be scar tissue getting in the way of my intestines working properly. Now I must tell you I also have a very big fear of medicines and artificial ingredients. This makes recovery even harder because I am afraid to take the breath test for SIBO. I am afraid of the antibiotic that could help. I am afraid of almost all food, espeically carby sugary things that could feed the bad bacteria (if I even have SIBO). It has gotten to the point where I am eating nothing but salad and peanut butter and occasionally broccoli. I know this must all sound so stupid and silly but it is true. I have lost a tremendous amount of weight and can't afford to loose anymore. Many times I have gone to disney world to put my "disney hat" on and forget it all and have managed to gain a lot of weight. This time feels different though. I havent eaten meat or fish in so long though I am not sure how it would feel in my stomach. I do not want to go to an eating disorder clinic. I don't always know whats in the food at disney world either. I am 34 years and old, extremely shy and don't have any friends except for my mom. I really don't know what to do at this point. I'm not sure what to expect posting this but maybe there is somebody out there with a problem similar.
 
Hi there, it sounds like you have been through a lot. I’m sorry. I have a lot of issues with a sensitive stomach, but I haven’t heard of that. I am going to research tomorrow, as I’ve had a rough day.
Have you ever tried any type of therapy? I know you don’t want to go to an eating disorder clinic, but what about one on one? You are so young, you need to make sure you have a balanced diet. I’m very glad you have your Mom, I can understand shyness, I have been shy my whole life.
 
My mother-n-law had somewhat similar concerns about her food and diet after surgery. We met with several dietitians and found one that matched up well with her and it really improved her eating, and improved eating, improved her health and happiness. So glad we found someone who understood her priorities with clean, organic, raw foods. It still a bit of concern for her, but so much better. Don’t know if a nutritionist or dietitian might be helpful to you, but I do hope things start getting better for you.
 
Hello all, I don't know if there is anybody out there with problems like me but just maybe there is. I had an extensive stomach surgery when they found free air in my abdomen. They never found any perforations so the surgery turned out to be for nothing, but ever since then I have suffered from a lot of bloating, constipation and reflux. It's as though my stomach didn't like being touched and it just doesn't want to work like it used to. It has been suggested I have possible SIBO from the surgery and antibiotics. It could also very well be scar tissue getting in the way of my intestines working properly. Now I must tell you I also have a very big fear of medicines and artificial ingredients. This makes recovery even harder because I am afraid to take the breath test for SIBO. I am afraid of the antibiotic that could help. I am afraid of almost all food, espeically carby sugary things that could feed the bad bacteria (if I even have SIBO). It has gotten to the point where I am eating nothing but salad and peanut butter and occasionally broccoli. I know this must all sound so stupid and silly but it is true. I have lost a tremendous amount of weight and can't afford to loose anymore. Many times I have gone to disney world to put my "disney hat" on and forget it all and have managed to gain a lot of weight. This time feels different though. I havent eaten meat or fish in so long though I am not sure how it would feel in my stomach. I do not want to go to an eating disorder clinic. I don't always know whats in the food at disney world either. I am 34 years and old, extremely shy and don't have any friends except for my mom. I really don't know what to do at this point. I'm not sure what to expect posting this but maybe there is somebody out there with a problem similar.

Hi @Little_Mouse. I'm an old, grey-haired Rabbit who usually can be found over in the DISabilities forum around here.

I just wanted to tell you a couple of things.

First of all, please always remember that "normal" is just a setting on the washing machine. *No one* is perfect, despite how their Insta looks, and *no one* has a perfect life. That's important, because sometimes it's really easy to fall into that trap of "I'm weird - I'm so weird that the world can't deal with me, and I can't deal with the world". Words have weight and value - and most importantly are what *you* make of them - and for my family, "weird" means wonderfully, beautifully, different and unique from everyone else. (or, as the old bumpersticker says: "Be you! Everyone else is taken!" )

My adult daughter is not that much younger than you are, and she and I are best friends. We have been close her entire life, and as she matured into an adult, she also became a beloved and treasured friend. I consider it a blessing; we are truly lifelong friends. We were recently discussing how difficult it is to make friends once you leave school; so often we absorb this notion that you can't make friends after your 21st birthday, so you better get out there and make ALL of your friends before then or you will forever be alone! That is reinforced time after time by TV and movies, and if you stop to think about it, it's just plain silly. I have been making friends my entire life, and while I do have a lot of friends (and acquaintances as well) many of them are online, and I will never meet them in person. I still feel close to them, and I often share with them (especially one of my DIS friends) things that I don't share with any of my RL friends.

So, don't ever stop looking for friendship. It's like growing a plant - you have to find the right seed, and then nuture it into something greater. When it blooms (and remember - not every seed will blossom!) it makes the resulting fruit that much sweeter.

And don't worry about being shy. That's not a bad thing at all - it's just another wonderful, special part of who you are! My husband was so shy when we met that it's a wonder we ever made it to our first date, and yet we celebrated our 33rd anniversary last year! Being shy is like having brown eyes, or a natural talent for playing the piano - you didn't really have anything to do with being that way... It's just another part of all of the amazing things that make you who you are!

It sounds like you have really had a hard time with your GI issues. And that is possibly being compounded by your fears of medicine, artificial ingredients and antibiotics. I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened to cause you to fear those things, but what I have learned about fear in all of my trips around the sun is that often when we are afraid of something, it isn't really the thing we are afraid of... it's what will happen if things change. Let me explain: For a long time, I resisted taking a particular medication that I really needed to take. Didn't want to, I already took enough medicine, thank you very much, and I did NOT want to take any more. Every time I would see my doctor, she would offer it, and every time, I said "no thanks". Eventually I hit a point where I was afraid that if I *did* take it, there would be a horrible consequence of some kind - I would have an allergic reaction, or it would cause terrible side effects. It because such a Big Deal in my mind that I couldn't see that there was a flip side to the possibilities - that it might actually work the way my doctor said it would; it might help, and I might wake up feeling better, and stronger, every day. And I would never know unless I tried...

Now, I had already been on Google, (HUGE mistake) and I knew *all* of the bad things about this particular drug. I knew the nightmare stories told by others about reactions and interaction and and and...

What I didn't search for was success stories.

Ultimately, I realized that I had inadvertently created my own echo chamber, where I could only hear bad things about this medicine, because I was only looking for bad things about it. Even realizing that, however, I had no idea how to get out of the echo chamber - and how to get past my fears.

So, I finally decided to speak openly with my doctor about all of this. She and I had a *long* talk about it, and she told me that I didn't have to take the medicine - it would always be my choice. But she also told me that (in my case, with this particular medicine) I could "ramp up" my dosage, and increase it on a schedule that I could be comfortable with. She gave me a recommended schedule, and then she wrote out an extended (slower) version as well as an accelerated version. I was in complete control - I could start with any version I wanted, and as long as I stayed in touch with her (I called her office every week to give her an update) I could move at the speed I wanted to. It let me feel like I could try out the medicine I knew I needed, but also be in control, and able to stop if I did experience any unhappy side effects.

Of course, I had zero side effects, other than an improved quality of life. I felt kind of silly afterwards, but also grateful, because it *has* improved my quality of life significantly, and I felt heard and validated by my doctor.

Now, I'm not saying this is how *you* overcome your issue(s) with medicines - especially those that contain artificial ingredients and/or antibiotics. It's only a suggestion, based on something that worked for a real person that you (now) know!

Maybe just start by thinking about all of the possible *positive* outcomes if you can bring yourself to take the antibiotics it sounds like you need to. You don't have to take any action until you feel ready - but just allow yourself to think about that path, and how it could look, and most importantly, how it would feel to to reach that goal.

(also remember that - for example - there are things that are really "natural" like probiotics that you can take alongside antibiotics to help with some of the possible side effects/issues that can occur. I know you probably already know about them, but just a gentle reminder :)

I understand not wanting to put anything into your body that you don't have to/need to. And I understand not wanting to use any artificial ingredients. But I hope you will remember that (technically) *everything except breast milk* is an "artificial ingredient" to humans. So, limiting yourself to salad and peanut butter is OK if that's what you really want to do, but I sense that you want to eat more than your currently (somewhat limited) diet, especially if there's a WDW trip in your future! (fingers crossed for you!)

You said that you didn't want to go to a clinic for eating disorders, and that is certainly understandable, as it seems that your limited diet is the result of your GI issues, and so a clinic might not be the best path for you. What is clear is that you do probably need some form of professional assistance with safely expanding your diet - I certainly would *not* recommend that you just haul off and start eating willy-nilly, because your tummy won't be happy at all with that. Have you talked with your GI specialist about working with someone - maybe a nutritionist, or a dietician - who could help you sort out where the best place is to start for *you*? If you are no longer seeing your GI specialist, maybe reach out to your primary care professional, and work with them?

Don't stop trying. I know it's hard, and I am *not* taking any of your concerns lightly. But I also know from many years of experience that sometimes we have to find the right person - the one who "fits" our personality, or situation, or even budget - to help you create a thoughtful, curated approach to your medical issues. I am very fortunate that I have a doctor on my team who I am very comfortable with, and who takes the time to work with me when I need her to. I'm quite aware that not everyone has that blessing - but if I had not kept looking for her, I would have never found her, either.

In the meantime, you are not alone.

(((hugs)))

MamaBunny :)
 


Hello all, I don't know if there is anybody out there with problems like me but just maybe there is. I had an extensive stomach surgery when they found free air in my abdomen. They never found any perforations so the surgery turned out to be for nothing, but ever since then I have suffered from a lot of bloating, constipation and reflux. It's as though my stomach didn't like being touched and it just doesn't want to work like it used to.

I've had extensive issues with my digestive tract since 2016 and I'm not sure why either. At first they thought it was gallbladder even though I never had the traditional gallbladder attack (scan saw stones). I finally had my gallbladder removed and that actually did help with the nausea and this feeling of fullness so much that I didn't even want to drink water at times. However other issues continued to develop. I've read some about SIBO and there's mixed opinions on it but I can understand that it may not hurt to check for it or follow some protocol to treat it once other things are ruled out, etc.

Have you tried a low FODMAP meal plan? When I finally was at my absolute wit's end I did this and I also went a step farther by cutting out all gluten. It's not meant to be a forever meal plan - you cut out many things then add them back in stages very carefully. Like a few bites at a time carefully. I found resources online I trusted and downloaded an ebook, etc. This is the main website: https://www.monashfodmap.com

For me personally, what you're eating would probably make me feel 1000x worse lol! However that doesn't mean it's the same for you. Doctors always push fiber and I get it but boy that kills me. Even fiber supplements. Broccoli is the worst of them all. After being strictly no FODMAP for about 6 weeks I felt better and I started adding things in. What I noticed was a possible dairy issues and I also have a lot of problems with high fiber foods (like broccoli and salad, etc) and some fruits. The FODMAP plan helped me to go on a short term but very thorough elimination diet. I also was concerned about meat but found it was one thing that pretty much never bothered my stomach. My gastro doctor recommended the FODMAP plan - and it's not meant to be forever. I've had many scans (no repeat colonoscopy yet but mine was about 5 years ago) and right now my diagnosis is IBS. Have you been to a gastroenterologist? If not, I'd also suggest doing that. I never had stomach/intestinal issues and could eat anything and then BOOM - so I totally get that part of just struggling day in and out and feeling awful - and sometimes just dreadful awful. There's also a good IBS support group on Reddit you might check out but the #1 thing is to work with a gastro if you can and I feel confident that the FODMAP plan can help you get a handle on what foods could be an issue and allow you to add in more things to your rotation. If you have any questions about that please PM me and I can send you what links and resources I used.
 
Thank you so much to everybody for your support.


“sometimes it's really easy to fall into that trap of "I'm weird - I'm so weird that the world can't deal with me, and I can't deal with the world" - mamabunny I really do feel I’m in this trap right now. I’d like so much to escape.

As for the low fodmap, I’ve tried that for so long. It is frustrating because I used to be able to eat food, all kinds of it with no trouble at all. I love vegetables fruits and salads. As for the antibiotic in case I do have SIBO, my fear is that it will somehow mess my stomach up more or the medicine will cause me to be more depressed than I am now. I don’t know why but even antibiotics have often caused me to feel depressed. There are so many reviews for the medicine (Rifaxamin) online that scare me but at the same time I know people who had bad experiences with a medicine are often the ones that bother to write the review,
 
Thank you so much to everybody for your support.


“sometimes it's really easy to fall into that trap of "I'm weird - I'm so weird that the world can't deal with me, and I can't deal with the world" - mamabunny I really do feel I’m in this trap right now. I’d like so much to escape.

As for the low fodmap, I’ve tried that for so long. It is frustrating because I used to be able to eat food, all kinds of it with no trouble at all. I love vegetables fruits and salads. As for the antibiotic in case I do have SIBO, my fear is that it will somehow mess my stomach up more or the medicine will cause me to be more depressed than I am now. I don’t know why but even antibiotics have often caused me to feel depressed. There are so many reviews for the medicine (Rifaxamin) online that scare me but at the same time I know people who had bad experiences with a medicine are often the ones that bother to write the review,
Follow your drs orders. I had stomach cancer 5 years ago and on a very strong cancer drug no chemo. I survived just fine. Pm me if you choose maybe I can shed some light.
 


Thank you so much to everybody for your support.


“sometimes it's really easy to fall into that trap of "I'm weird - I'm so weird that the world can't deal with me, and I can't deal with the world" - mamabunny I really do feel I’m in this trap right now. I’d like so much to escape.

As for the low fodmap, I’ve tried that for so long. It is frustrating because I used to be able to eat food, all kinds of it with no trouble at all. I love vegetables fruits and salads. As for the antibiotic in case I do have SIBO, my fear is that it will somehow mess my stomach up more or the medicine will cause me to be more depressed than I am now. I don’t know why but even antibiotics have often caused me to feel depressed. There are so many reviews for the medicine (Rifaxamin) online that scare me but at the same time I know people who had bad experiences with a medicine are often the ones that bother to write the review,

You *can* escape that trap - you may have to be the one who takes that first step, to push back at the world, and tell it "I don't feel good right now, but I will again!" The first step is for you to accept that, and then the world will as well. It can feel scary, and it takes a bit of courage, but here's a real-life example for you:

One of the dynamics that we see over on the DISabilities board time and time again is with a Guest who is worried about using an ECV on their trip. They are always freaked out about how their family will handle it, and what others will think of them, and we reassure them that if you act as if it's no big deal, your family will as well. The world will take it's cues from *you*. If they mope around and act like the world is ending because they have to use an ECV at WDW (which is, at the end of the day, simply a tool you use to get a job done - not unlike a calculator to do math, or glasses to see better) then, yep, you better believe that the family will be traumatized as well. They will mimic or mirror the mood of the ECV rider. The ECV will become a hated part of the vacation, and a huge bother and because the rider is unhappy with it, everyone else will be as well.

But, if that Guest hops on that ECV, and sails off like it's no big deal, most families will follow right along. The person on the ECV isn't upset - they are having a good time! And they aren't in pain, and they aren't too tired to stay until the Kiss Goodnight... and the ECV becomes a total non-issue, other than (maybe) someone saying to them "You should have done that sooner".

So remember - you inform the world how it should treat you; and you need to tell it, "I don't feel good right now, but that won't be forever!". Be strong and positive! And give yourself a break; it is not easy to be constantly dealing with a chronic issue of any kind. Those of us who do often forget that to people who don't know us, we can have "invisible disabilities" that others don't readily see. We feel like everyone should know! So try and give yourself a little Grace, and remember that the world as a whole may see you as a "normal" person, unless and until you tell them otherwise!

The last thing I will tell you tonight is this: (I know it's long, please forgive me!)

A long time ago, I used to be a retail manager; my store wasn't the biggest, but it was busy, and had a regular, faithful clientele from the small college across the street. So, I dealt face to face with unhappy customers on a regular basis - it was usually about our return/refund/exchange policy which I had no control over.

Now, this was back before the Internet was anything other than a slow, clunky network that was used exclusively by the government and a handful of universities that shared research around the nation. In other words, there was no Yelp, no Google reviews - if you asked someone which store was the best in town, you got exactly 1 opinion which was that person's.

Except... you didn't. Because one of the things that the big company that owned my little store had learned from surveys and focus groups and their own research was that 1 unhappy customer would tell *at least* 10 other people in their community about their bad experience, but happy customers would only speak up if asked directly for a referral. Now, that's kind of crazy, when you think about it - but it's also true. That dynamic has been proven again and again by researchers, btw - its only been fairly recently - since the rise of Amazon and other peer-review driven sites that we have seen people log on voluntarily to leave positive reviews.

So, often when we are looking at medical research online, it's easy to find the negative, because those results will typically float to the top - it's part of the algorithm that Google has employed from the start. Google knows that when someone searches for a product, they are looking for reviews. Google also knows (because they have served that product search so many times) exactly which pages have proven to be the most popular over thousands - if not millions - of searches, and Google gives you those pages first. So, if you type in "drug name" and just hit "enter" to search, Google says to itself "Hey, Little_Mouse wants to see what we know about that drug - and most folks search for "drug name problems" or "drug name side effects" and since those are the most viewed results... here they are Little_Mouse!" ... and Google shows those to you first.

And so you may be seeing the worst of it, and not the objective information from sources that you can rely upon to be factual and informative.

Everyone has to search for things in their own way, but what I do is to look first for where the experts are - so for one of my conditions, for example, I found a cluster of specialists at the Mayo Clinic that are doing a highly regarded research study about one of my issues. So, I work from that place - I have read their articles, I learned about their study (it's still ongoing) and have looked closely at their recommendations for their patients regarding treatment. I traced down the drugs they tend to prescribe using drugs.com because it's a fairly objective source of information, and can tell me if my existing drugs will have an interaction with this new drug that my specialist may want to add. And if there is a support group or foundation for my condition, I look at their information also, because they have a vested interest in helping their members find the most effective treatments and they tend to have up-to-date information.

Along the way, I try to make sure that I am looking at material that is as objective, and science-based as possible; if I find that a support group (for example) is funded by a drug manufacturer, I will take all medication recommendations from that site with a HUGE grain of salt.

It sounds like a *lot* of work - and it can be. Sorting out the truth, figuring out what is real and what is objective and where the experts are isn't always easy or obvious, but you can do it. And if you can be truly objective about it, you may find that you feel more comfortable with the idea of taking an antibiotic (or whatever medication you need to). If it helps, you can always pretend like you are doing the research for someone else - and that may help you stay focused on the more objective, factual information that you need to gather.

Don't ever give up hope, and never stop trying! I know it's scary, and you are so, so tired of not feeling good. But every day is another chance to feel better, and every day is another shot at finding out what is happening with your tummy. Don't be afraid to tell the world - and the entire universe! - that you don't feel good, but you will again... because you will. I just know it!

(((hugs)))

MB
 
I have no ideas myself to help you, Little Mouse, but good to see so many folks here with some great sounding ideas and suggestions.

Wishing you my best, Little Mouse. Keeping you in my good wishes and prayers.
 
Sorry to hear of your tummy/intestinal track issues. Back in 2002 I had a back surgery where they entered through my front side. When they did this they messed with my GI track and my problems began. I would experience Ilius type symptoms where my intestinal track would become blocked. These blockages resulted in emergency surgeries to eliminate the blockage. A real long story shortened, I visited with a naturopathic doctor who made some suggestions and with the help of my wife , I am now going on 6 years since my last episode. I cut out all foods which are difficult to digest. This means fresh vegetables are no longer consumed unless liquified in a blender and put into smoothies or cooked. These are very good. I no longer eat any nuts, popcorn or any whole kernel corn since that too is difficult to digest. Even Apple peelings are tough to handle. I know everyone’s body is different, however when it comes to digesting certain foods that is where we may be more similar. My naturopathic dr . Suggested a over the counter powder called natural calm and it has helped my situation. Best of luck to you as I hope you are able to resolve your tummy issue.
 
Thanks so much to everybody for the support and your prayers Dan Murphy.

Boyt - I feel the same has happened to me (ileus type symptoms), although the blockage has never been so bad I've had to go to the hospital. Do you suppose it is some type of nerve damage or scar tissue (abdominal adhesions) that causes this? I have a lot of scar tissue now.
 
I was informed by my surgeon that my situation was caused by scar tissue. This was as a result of my surgery. A couple of other things I do is get a deep tissue massage on my abdomen during a full body massage on a monthly basis. I noticed on your earlier post that you eat lettuce. I used to eat a daily lettuce salad, not any more. If you do eat salad make sure it is iceberg lettuce as dark greens like spinach is more difficult to digest. I consume a good volume of fluids every day. I know I mentioned the Natural Calm product in my previous post but this product is key. This product makes the intestinal tract work more efficiently eliminating the feeling of abdominal discomfort. I know how you feel not knowing what your best course of action may be, but research is the key.
 
There is so much to unpack here, and so much good supportive commentary already, maybe I could just say a little about this part though...
Now I must tell you I also have a very big fear of medicines and artificial ingredients. This makes recovery even harder because I am afraid to take the breath test for SIBO. I am afraid of the antibiotic that could help. I am afraid of almost all food, espeically carby sugary things that could feed the bad bacteria (if I even have SIBO).

There is so much fear packed into just four sentences, and despite grasping for them, I don't have the words to allay it; but maybe I can give you just a kernel of a new way to look at this fear.

I think that fear is primarily mechanism for self-preservation. Mostly it's a rational response to some real risk (like heights or spiders) or, to a lesser degree, an atavistic holdover from our distant ancestors (the dark or shadows). Sometimes it's an irrational response resulting from trauma or some other species of anxiety disorder.

I'll get to the point, I promise. Just think for a moment... If I presented you with a paper sack and convinced you that it contained a scorpion you would likely be afraid to put your hand into that bag. If I then opened the bag and demonstrated clearly that there is no scorpion or anything at all in the bag you would then be at ease putting your hand into the bag. The fear of the scorpion kept you from reaching into the bag and once the risk of being stung (or just touching a big bug) is removed, so is the fear keeping you from reaching into the bag.

So there is self-preservation in scrutinizing what we put in our bodies. We see the ill-effects of poor diet all around us and the side effects of some medicines are terrifying in their own right. Your concern is well founded, at least in the general sense. But we have to live and make decisions in the short term as well as the long, and in the short term, you need to medical treatment. You say so yourself.

I can't say whether your fear of artificial ingredients, medicines, or almost all food is rational or not, it doesn't matter. Right or wrong, you don't have to change your belief on this subject to be able to do what's needed. You just need to also believe that, physiologically anyway, we are not a fragile species. Even if the worst things you could think about tacos and amoxicillin are true, eating them for a month won't kill you.

Our fears can create for us a structure that keeps us safe, and we can come to rely on them. It may seem like you would need to scrap all those fears before you allowed yourself the medical treatment you need or a more nourishing diet, but you don't. Keep them, or dismantle them at your own pace if you choose, they can exist alongside the belief that in the short term it's healthier for you to follow the prescribed diet and treatment of your doctor.

And... if it helps... Simple carbs never make it to the gut.
 
I also have a very big fear of medicines and artificial ingredients.
I am afraid to take the breath test for SIBO.
I am afraid of the antibiotic that could help.
I am afraid of almost all food, espeically carby sugary things that could feed the bad bacteria
I havent eaten meat or fish in so long though I am not sure how it would feel in my stomach.
I do not want to go to an eating disorder clinic.

I see you are afraid of many things. Food. Drugs. People. I wonder if you have anxiety?
There is a brain/gut connection with anxiety.
https://adaa.org/learn-from-us/from...how-calm-anxious-stomach-brain-gut-connection
 

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