DVC=Premium Car

spencercl

Earning My Ears
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There is a group of people upset by the changes that DVC has made with financial impacts on new buyers. Here is the way I look at DVC (and really Disney as a whole).

Consider another deluxe product, like Cadillac. Really any upscale car manufacturer would fit here.

Not everyone can afford a Cadillac, the cost is justifiable to some but not others, but it is not a requirement in life. Just like DVC, the cost of ownership and dues are not affordable to everyone but not having a DVC membership does not cause a hardship.

Cadillac provides a level of comfort that is not easily reached, but can be surpassed. Some people think Cadillac is one of the best cars you can buy others think other manufactures are better. I think DVC is the same, for some it is the best vacation experience others it is not.

As a DVC gives us “deluxe adjacent” (as Peter has said) which is comfortable, spacious and filled with services that you do not get in a normal hotel stay. There are nicer accommodations but we get a high level with our membership.

Cadillac models available are changed from time to time as are the amenities in the vehicles. As time goes on some models are not selling well or meet public demands so changes are made.

Buying a used Cadillac is cheaper than buying new. Some people would never buy a new car but others like the new car smell, warranty and other things you get when buying new. Just like with DVC you get more for the same dollar points wise but not as many extras.

Buying a Cadillac used or new is NOT and investment. Possibly many years later you may be able to sell the car for a profit, but there are many factors that would need to happen to get a return on the purchase. DVC is the same, maintenance costs, market demand are all part of the chance of getting a positive return from you personal cost if you chose to sell DVC.

Lastly the main driving force for Cadillac as for DVC is to turn a profit for their parent company, GM and Disney respectively. Those companies are driven to provide a positive return to their shareholders. The individual car or DVC owner is important to a point, but the shareholders win in the end.

Sorry if this was too long.
 
  • Brancaneve

    That means Snow White in another language.
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    Or...you can think of buying a Tesla instead of a Cadillac. You don't have to buy gas, you don't have to get an oil change and you get federal and state rebates. Is DVC the Tesla Model 3?
     

    DisneyLore

    Mouseketeer
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    There is a group of people upset by the changes that DVC has made with financial impacts on new buyers. Here is the way I look at DVC (and really Disney as a whole).

    Consider another deluxe product, like Cadillac. Really any upscale car manufacturer would fit here.

    Not everyone can afford a Cadillac, the cost is justifiable to some but not others, but it is not a requirement in life. Just like DVC, the cost of ownership and dues are not affordable to everyone but not having a DVC membership does not cause a hardship.

    Cadillac provides a level of comfort that is not easily reached, but can be surpassed. Some people think Cadillac is one of the best cars you can buy others think other manufactures are better. I think DVC is the same, for some it is the best vacation experience others it is not.

    As a DVC gives us “deluxe adjacent” (as Peter has said) which is comfortable, spacious and filled with services that you do not get in a normal hotel stay. There are nicer accommodations but we get a high level with our membership.

    Cadillac models available are changed from time to time as are the amenities in the vehicles. As time goes on some models are not selling well or meet public demands so changes are made.

    Buying a used Cadillac is cheaper than buying new. Some people would never buy a new car but others like the new car smell, warranty and other things you get when buying new. Just like with DVC you get more for the same dollar points wise but not as many extras.

    Buying a Cadillac used or new is NOT and investment. Possibly many years later you may be able to sell the car for a profit, but there are many factors that would need to happen to get a return on the purchase. DVC is the same, maintenance costs, market demand are all part of the chance of getting a positive return from you personal cost if you chose to sell DVC.

    Lastly the main driving force for Cadillac as for DVC is to turn a profit for their parent company, GM and Disney respectively. Those companies are driven to provide a positive return to their shareholders. The individual car or DVC owner is important to a point, but the shareholders win in the end.

    Sorry if this was too long.

    I really like this analogy. It's all about the worth to you!
     

    chalee94

    DIS Veteran
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    Aug 14, 2006
    Ok. It is a mid-quality car that has exclusive access to driving the roads closest to Disney Parks. However, it doesn't run efficiently on most other roads. Hmm.
    Yes, but if you purchase it used and not from a Cadillac dealer, the car's computer will limit the new purchaser to a maximum speed of 45 mph.

    But surely that is a reasonable limitation if it assures ever higher profits for the glorious capitalists at Cadillac HQ. (And it still gets you around WDW just fine so who could possibly complain?)

    And if Cadillac decided that Daewoo set the industry standard for the auto industry, maybe they could cut a few corners and charge for vinyl seats what they used to charge for Italian leather and things of that nature...?

    Not sure if the OP knows much about Westgate and some of the shadier timeshare developers and why the timeshare industry has such a bad reputation in general. But the opening post does little to reassure me that Disney is not heading towards convergence with those sorts of industry standards. Instead it does come across as something between tone deaf and a shill post. It's not a good thing for shareholders when you kill the golden goose by trying to squeeze too much out of it...
     

    spencercl

    Earning My Ears
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    Yes, but if you purchase it used and not from a Cadillac dealer, the car's computer will limit the new purchaser to a maximum speed of 45 mph.

    But surely that is a reasonable limitation if it assures ever higher profits for the glorious capitalists at Cadillac HQ. (And it still gets you around WDW just fine so who could possibly complain?)

    And if Cadillac decided that Daewoo set the industry standard for the auto industry, maybe they could cut a few corners and charge for vinyl seats what they used to charge for Italian leather and things of that nature...?

    Not sure if the OP knows much about Westgate and some of the shadier timeshare developers and why the timeshare industry has such a bad reputation in general. But the opening post does little to reassure me that Disney is not heading towards convergence with those sorts of industry standards. Instead it does come across as something between tone deaf and a shill post. It's not a good thing for shareholders when you kill the golden goose by trying to squeeze too much out of it...
    None of what you have said has actually happened. I can only go by my experience and that of others I have talked to. For the majority like myself the sales by DVC have been very low pressure. All questions have been answered fully and without deceit.

    But like with any car YMMV.
     

    Pooh12863

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    Unpopular opinion but I think DVD should have doubled the minimum buy in to 150.

    If you disagree with me stop crying that you can't book a studio at 7 months.
     

    AdamsMum

    DIS Veteran
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    Sep 12, 2009
    Cadillac provides a level of comfort that is not easily reached,
    Yes but if Cadillac started cutting corners and quoting "industry standard" how would you feel about it? I don't really think of the financial impacts on new buyers. The industry is well known for buyer beware and it isn't a public service. I'm just surprised at the amount of points still being sold direct, at these inflated prices. People must have lots of disposable income nowadays.

    I'm also disappointed in the erosion of the product in the past few years. Creating a 2nd class of membership seems mean and petty to me. That takes away some of the magic I was sold by DVC and Disney. Don't get me wrong, I still love going, and I'm not giving up my BWV points, but the last few years have been a reality check for those of us who purchased a long time ago.
     

    Chuck S

    DVC Co-Moderator
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    Unpopular opinion but I think DVD should have doubled the minimum buy in to 150.

    If you disagree with me stop crying that you can't book a studio at 7 months.
    They got greedy and wanted to make more $ per point. Knowing many potential members can't afford both the higher per point price and the orignal 230 point DVC minimum of OKW, they compromised. It is definitely true that lower point requirement = more members without a point buffer, More members with no buffer = greater competition for studio reservations
     

    Pooh12863

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    They got greedy and wanted to make more $ per point. Knowing many potential members can't afford both the higher per point price and the orignal 230 point DVC minimum of OKW, they compromised. It is definitely true that lower point requirement = more members without a point buffer, More members with no buffer = greater competition for studio reservations
    I can't afford a Club 33 membership, so I didn't buy one.

    Lower point contracts mean more members trying for a finite number of rooms.
     

    Chuck S

    DVC Co-Moderator
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    I can't afford a Club 33 membership, so I didn't buy one.

    Lower point contracts mean more members trying for a finite number of rooms.
    I didn't say I disagreed with you. I think the large number of lower point contracts throws the entire system out of balance, especially for studios. But the fact remains that DVD wanted more profit per direct sales point, and to achieve that, they needed to drop the minimum point requirement. To achieve balance, DVD would also need to exercise first refusal on the vast majority of small resale contracts from original members adding on.
     

    DSLRuser

    Age is a state of mind
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    Feb 28, 2009
    I have been saying this about Disney in general. Disney is a "premium" vacation. It just is. It is expensive. There are some families who cant afford a BMW, and there are some families who can't afford Disney.

    I actually like it this way. I don't want to spend $1,500 for a week at six flags. I gladly spend $6,000 for a week at Disney because it is worth it to me.

    No where is there a secret Disney corporate guide that says vacations must be affordable. Only vacations must be the best they can be. Well that cost money. Don't like it. Go to six flags.
     

    chalee94

    DIS Veteran
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    None of what you have said has actually happened. I can only go by my experience and that of others I have talked to. For the majority like myself the sales by DVC have been very low pressure. All questions have been answered fully and without deceit.
    You started the thread addressing "the changes that DVC has made with financial impacts on new buyers." Not sure why you now imagine sales pressure to be the issue.

    None of what I said has actually happened with Cadillac? Maybe not. With DVC. It actually did - they just walked the very worst of it back (most likely after they realized how losing a fraud lawsuit might impact the brand.)


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    Again, not sure if you are a shill or a well intentioned but doe-eyed naif but the chart shown includes 1BR and studios, so increasing those point costs arbitrarily to line Disney's pockets at the expense of members would have qualified as easily documented and actionable fraud and deceit.

    When I originally purchased the product, I had the right to convey exactly what I received to a resale purchaser. If I bought a Cadillac and sold it to you, you got the same car. Disney has spent the last several years damaging the resale product so that DVC owners cannot convey to a purchaser the same product which they originally acquired. These changes have been "legal" but they do put owners in an adversarial position, where many of us can no longer recommend the product as the restrictions go farther and farther. The DVC of the first 10 years was different than the current product, but the timeshare industry is full of shysters and verbal deceptions that Disney seems willing to consider their new "standard."

    It's fortunate that your sales experience was accurate. Many posters here have had to correct numerous verbal deceptions and misstatements by DVC "guides" which have seemed to become more numerous in the past few years.

    DVC is not obligated to price their timeshares so that every person in America can afford it. They have a right to price it at a profitable level. But they have set a pattern of continually changing the rules, to the detriment of owners. I would assume if you booked a cash stay at the GF but upon your arrival, Disney moved you to All Star Music with no refund, you might feel a little bait-and-switched. That is a better comparison for how long term DVC owners feel. (But if you accepted your ASM demotion with a cheerful acceptance that at least it would be good for the Disney shareholders, I will at least salute your consistency... :) )
     

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