Fort Worth woman shot in her own home by police

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This for sure!!

We have some law enforcement in our family (Police Chief, state police, SWAT ) and they all say exactly this!! They also have no problem saying that there are Great officers, Good officers and sadly, not so good ones. One brother in law is an investigator in the State Police. One of his duties is to investigate complaints against fellow officers. He would be the first to say, that while most officers are good and dedicated men and women, that there are definitely some bad apples and he has no problem weeding them out.

Yup, just like any other profession. I am shocked to constantly see teachers charged with rape/molestation of students that they teach. Also, I know someone personally whose husband (a teacher) who was going to the library every morning before teaching to look at child porn. There are bad eggs in every profession.
 
Why are you associating with people who are racist and speak like this??? I don't hear anyone say things like this ever and I know alot of white people.
I said earlier that it’s not ppl I chose to associate with. They were ppl I have had encounters with b/c I knew someone they knew or were related to.
 
The human race will not be around in 100,000 years. I'd be surprised if we last another 2,000 years.
Mankind has been around for a long time and survived global catastrophes like asteroid strikes and ice ages and supervolcano eruptions. What makes you think mankind will be extinct in less than 2000 years? I wish we could wager on this
 


Mankind has been around for a long time and survived global catastrophes like asteroid strikes and ice ages and supervolcano eruptions. What makes you think mankind will be extinct in less than 2000 years? I wish we could wager on this

Climate change, Growing nuclear capabilities, Overpopulation, Water Wars

There are lots of reasons to be pessimistic about the future of mankind.
 
Climate change, Growing nuclear capabilities, Overpopulation, Water Wars

There are lots of reasons to be pessimistic about the future of mankind.
The climate has changed since mankind descended from the trees and still here going strong. An ice age would cut human population but no extinction event. Modest temp increases will certainly not be an extinction event. Mankind has been through a lot of climate change already without problem.

The world population has never been better fed. Famines are a thing of the past. Some overpopulation crisis may reduce global population but no way result in extinction. Nuclear war and other wars again reduce population but not extinction events.

You know the whole nuclear winter idea was based on bad science. When Iraq set the Kuwaiti oil wells on fire the people that did the nuclear winter study said-uh oh these particulates will impact the global climate and expect crop failures. It didn't happen. For some reason many people just enjoy being pessimistic about the future and believe horrible things are just around the corner. It has been that way through all of recorded history.
 
The climate has changed since mankind descended from the trees and still here going strong. An ice age would cut human population but no extinction event. Modest temp increases will certainly not be an extinction event. Mankind has been through a lot of climate change already without problem.

The world population has never been better fed. Famines are a thing of the past. Some overpopulation crisis may reduce global population but no way result in extinction. Nuclear war and other wars again reduce population but not extinction events.

You know the whole nuclear winter idea was based on bad science. When Iraq set the Kuwaiti oil wells on fire the people that did the nuclear winter study said-uh oh these particulates will impact the global climate and expect crop failures. It didn't happen. For some reason many people just enjoy being pessimistic about the future and believe horrible things are just around the corner. It has been that way through all of recorded history.

I wouldn't say I enjoy being pessimistic. I'll be long gone so I'm rather indifferent to it.
 


You just list some countries after looking at Wikipedia presumably and throw in corruption and human rights as though you have made some profound post. I am out of this thread.

Presumably if I had bothered to look it up on Wikipedia?, or I don't know Google for results, I could have listed all of the countries of equatorial Africa. As you raised the topic in the discussion I participated by sharing pertinent information I know about the topic. It is discussion, on a discussion board. Whether that qualifies as profound I'll leave to your presumptions.
 
Some people are not aware of Warren v. District of Columbia in which the Supreme Court ruled Law Enforcement Officers DO NOT have a constitutional liability or duty to protect individuals. 🤔 People just do not know. My background is CJ as well and, well, I've seen the good and the bad. I've written research on the subject and, in my opinion, being in that type of public position where you see a lot of the bad every day, it does jade a person. There are people on the force, and even working at Disney, that should never ever have their jobs. I even know of an engineering manger who is publicly racist, publicly anti-LGBT publicly misogynist, says the N word on their public social media (not even private), been investigated for racism at work and amazingly still has his job at MK. Crazy!

Perhaps you might want to delve a bit deeper into the case you cite. The ruling by SCOTUS held that LE cannot be held liable as it pertains to protect AN individual, as in a specific individual. It does not stand for the premise that LE does not have the responsibility to protect individuals collectively. The opinion was in answer to a case on appeal regarding whether the police could be held liable for failure to protect a specific individual in a specific incident, which clearly is an unsustainable burden and duty for LE as there is no way to adequately protect every individual in every circumstance.
 
I said earlier that it’s not ppl I chose to associate with. They were ppl I have had encounters with b/c I knew someone they knew or were related to.

So you said early that “every” cop you know is racist. But you don’t actually know these racist cops, you have just encountered them through someone else. So how many can that actually be? And does that mean you don’t actually know any cops?

And yet you choose to judge the profession as a whole because of these few encounters? So you are basically judging people because of the uniform they wear. Isn’t that a little bit like judging a person because of the color of their skin? Do you not think that it’s just as wrong?
 
So you said early that “every” cop you know is racist. But you don’t actually know these racist cops, you have just encountered them through someone else. So how many can that actually be? And does that mean you don’t actually know any cops?

And yet you choose to judge the profession as a whole because of these few encounters? So you are basically judging people because of the uniform they wear. Isn’t that a little bit like judging a person because of the color of their skin? Do you not think that it’s just as wrong?
Sigh. No it’s not. You can choose to be a cop can’t choose your race. I only know about 4 cops & have heard these 4 ppl say some egregiously racists things like using the N word. I don’t need to know them well to know they’re racists. 3 are DH’s extended family whom we never choose to associate with & 1 is a friend’s dad. The friend is not like this & is often appalled by his dad’s behavior. I have also seen cops be fired here on more than one occasion for posting very racists things on social media. It’s actually pretty well known that NOPD has a culture of racism & corruption. I admitted it’s not a large sampling of ppl, but it does color my view b/c at least 2 of the 4 are high ranking officers. I am admitting that I have a bias something we all have for something whether you recognize it or not. You appear to have a bias for the cops based on your personal experiences. It’s the same thing.

ETA: B/c of my experience, I tend to think race is possibly or sometimes probably a factor. B/c you have know the best cops in the world & never meant any racists in the south 🙄, you believe it’s not likely a factor. Neither of us knows a proper sampling of ppl to base our opinions on any fact. Our views are both simply colored by our experiences.
 
Presumably if I had bothered to look it up on Wikipedia?, or I don't know Google for results, I could have listed all of the countries of equatorial Africa. As you raised the topic in the discussion I participated by sharing pertinent information I know about the topic. It is discussion, on a discussion board. Whether that qualifies as profound I'll leave to your presumptions.
Well then you will be interested to know Chad is not an Equatorial country. It borders Libya to the south and it is a North African Arabic country. The official language in Chad is Arabic.
 
Well then you will be interested to know Chad is not an Equatorial country. It borders Libya to the south and it is a North African Arabic country. The official language in Chad is Arabic.

Having lived and worked in the region previously it's strange you didn't point that out in your first response, the one where your powers of deductive reasoning lead you to inexplicably conclude I was somehow indicating the strife I referenced must be caused by US racism; or in your second response where you presumed my source of info must be Wikipedia.

ETA: Nonetheless, equatorial Africa seems rather more strife filled than your idyllic anecdote suggests, much of it relating back to ethnic clashes.
 
Sigh. No it’s not. You can choose to be a cop can’t choose your race. I only know about 4 cops & have heard these 4 ppl say some egregiously racists things like using the N word. I don’t need to know them well to know they’re racists. 3 are DH’s extended family whom we never choose to associate with & 1 is a friend’s dad. The friend is not like this & is often appalled by his dad’s behavior. I have also seen cops be fired here on more than one occasion for posting very racists things on social media. It’s actually pretty well known that NOPD has a culture of racism & corruption. I admitted it’s not a large sampling of ppl, but it does color my view b/c at least 2 of the 4 are high ranking officers. I am admitting that I have a bias something we all have for something whether you recognize it or not. You appear to have a bias for the cops based on your personal experiences. It’s the same thing.

ETA: B/c of my experience, I tend to think race is possibly or sometimes probably a factor. B/c you have know the best cops in the world & never meant any racists in the south 🙄, you believe it’s not likely a factor. Neither of us knows a proper sampling of ppl to base our opinions on any fact. Our views are both simply colored by our experiences.

Oh, so if someone CHOOSES to be something then its ok to judge them based on appearance. Ok. Judging a man or woman because of the uniform they wear and assuming they are something they are most likely not is wrong. No its not the same as racism but it is still wrong.

Living where I do, close to a huge army/national guard training facility, over the years we have all met and interacted with soldiers from all over the country. Some of them have been rude, crude and when off base, out looking for a good time and someone to cheat on their spouse with. Should I then say that ALL soldiers are like that? All military cheat on their spouses?

I wasn't saying that you needed to know them better to know they are or they are not. What I am saying is that you are judging the larger group by 4 people plus a few bad apples that got fired.

Please tell me where I ever said I have never met any racists in the south? I said they are not the rule, that doesn't even come close to meaning the same thing. I did say that there are racists all over and the north, east and west have just as many. Are you implying that there aren't any elsewhere?

And no, I don't know the "best cops in the world". I respect the uniform and I respect the job they do. But I know there are some pretty bad ones out there. I haven't "met" them but have had friends and family members who have dealt with bad ones and that have dealt with good ones. My own son had run ins with a few bad ones when he was younger. One that was determined to stop him every time he saw him to the point that the judge told the officer she was tired of seeing it and unless he could bring more to her than "running a stop sign" she didn't want to see it again. Another that stopped him and a friend because he decided a white boy and a black boy didn't need to be riding together and the clothing they had one "implied" they were in rival gangs (that one was laughable). Another time that he got slammed to the ground because he dared to defend his friend when an officer said some pretty racist stuff to him. I don't judge all of them by the few.

I also never said that race isn't sometimes a factor and it is possible in some incidents for sure. Its possible in the one this thread is about. What I am saying is its not always a factor and to assume that first and foremost in EVERY scenario is wrong. For instance in the area I mentioned in a previous post, you automatically went to "racism" when no one is judging the area because of who lives there. They KNOW for a fact that it is dangerous.
 
Oh, so if someone CHOOSES to be something then its ok to judge them based on appearance. Ok. Judging a man or woman because of the uniform they wear and assuming they are something they are most likely not is wrong. No its not the same as racism but it is still wrong.

Living where I do, close to a huge army/national guard training facility, over the years we have all met and interacted with soldiers from all over the country. Some of them have been rude, crude and when off base, out looking for a good time and someone to cheat on their spouse with. Should I then say that ALL soldiers are like that? All military cheat on their spouses?

I wasn't saying that you needed to know them better to know they are or they are not. What I am saying is that you are judging the larger group by 4 people plus a few bad apples that got fired.

Please tell me where I ever said I have never met any racists in the south? I said they are not the rule, that doesn't even come close to meaning the same thing. I did say that there are racists all over and the north, east and west have just as many. Are you implying that there aren't any elsewhere?

And no, I don't know the "best cops in the world". I respect the uniform and I respect the job they do. But I know there are some pretty bad ones out there. I haven't "met" them but have had friends and family members who have dealt with bad ones and that have dealt with good ones. My own son had run ins with a few bad ones when he was younger. One that was determined to stop him every time he saw him to the point that the judge told the officer she was tired of seeing it and unless he could bring more to her than "running a stop sign" she didn't want to see it again. Another that stopped him and a friend because he decided a white boy and a black boy didn't need to be riding together and the clothing they had one "implied" they were in rival gangs (that one was laughable). Another time that he got slammed to the ground because he dared to defend his friend when an officer said some pretty racist stuff to him. I don't judge all of them by the few.

I also never said that race isn't sometimes a factor and it is possible in some incidents for sure. Its possible in the one this thread is about. What I am saying is its not always a factor and to assume that first and foremost in EVERY scenario is wrong. For instance in the area I mentioned in a previous post, you automatically went to "racism" when no one is judging the area because of who lives there. They KNOW for a fact that it is dangerous.

A judge minimized the implications of running a stop sign -- repeatedly?
 
The observation I tend to see IRL (so not talking about the DIS) is there are a few that fall into extremes. Those who never see race as a main motive and those who only ever see race as the main motive. Can't discount people's experiences on both sides though honestly. My hope is that most people fall in the middle--the ones who concede both directions whilst also looking for other motives . Whenever we narrow our field too much we tend to lose the ability to see other things.

Regardless the police officer in this case was in the wrong. Maybe we'll learn if he had specific thoughts in his mind when he approached the home maybe we won't. In my mind though he still didn't follow procedures for whatever he might have been thinking. I put that aspect into perspective on what type of police officer he is.
 
Perhaps you might want to delve a bit deeper into the case you cite. The ruling by SCOTUS held that LE cannot be held liable as it pertains to protect AN individual, as in a specific individual. It does not stand for the premise that LE does not have the responsibility to protect individuals collectively. The opinion was in answer to a case on appeal regarding whether the police could be held liable for failure to protect a specific individual in a specific incident, which clearly is an unsustainable burden and duty for LE as there is no way to adequately protect every individual in every circumstance.

Hello! I'm familiar with the case, very much so actually. I thought that is what I just said? Perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm aware LEO's responsibility lies with protecting the public at large. My apologies if I didn't make myself more clear to you specifically. I'm not trying to argue; however, I found in conversations like this I've had through the year a lot of people are confused what a LEO's duties specifically are. Personally, the crime we are talking about here in this thread disgusts me and I hope they throw the book at this officer frankly.
 
I said earlier that it’s not ppl I chose to associate with. They were ppl I have had encounters with b/c I knew someone they knew or were related to.

Exactly! Look, straight up, I ended up married to a big-time POS racist and misogynist and didn't even know he (and some of his family members) was racist until after I married him. Awful. These types, typically narcissists, hide this stuff and pretend to be something they are not to win admiration/affection from others ... until they can't anymore. Ironically, someone here said Long Islanders were racist, that's where he was from! hahaha. But I don't think all Long Islanders are racist. (Happily divorced now!)
 
Hello! I'm familiar with the case, very much so actually. I thought that is what I just said? Perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm aware LEO's responsibility lies with protecting the public at large. My apologies if I didn't make myself more clear to you specifically. I'm not trying to argue; however, I found in conversations like this I've had through the year a lot of people are confused what a LEO's duties specifically are. Personally, the crime we are talking about here in this thread disgusts me and I hope they throw the book at this officer frankly.

For some reason you elected to quote me when you brought the case citation into the discussion. I fail to see how the citation is at all germane to the discussion at hand, let alone anything I in particular have said?

The holding in Warren v. District of Columbia that says that LE isn't responsible for protecting individuals does not open a door or even crack a window for the idea that LE cannot, will not and should not be held responsible for negligently and recklessly endangering individuals as the source and architect of the danger, which is what happened in Fort Worth.

As for your desire not to argue, you may be unaware that it's rude to open a dialogue with Hello!, as it implies aggression and deep disrespect for the person you're addressing.
 
For some reason you elected to quote me when you brought the case citation into the discussion. I fail to see how the citation is at all germane to the discussion at hand, let alone anything I in particular have said?

The holding in Warren v. District of Columbia that says that LE isn't responsible for protecting individuals does not open a door or even crack a window for the idea that LE cannot, will not and should not be held responsible for negligently and recklessly endangering individuals as the source and architect of the danger, which is what happened in Fort Worth.

As for your desire not to argue, you may be unaware that it's rude to open a dialogue with Hello!, as it implies aggression and deep disrespect for the person you're addressing.

Whoa ... nowhere have I ever heard that saying "Hello!" is a form of aggression and disrespectful? Aggressive? This is news to me. You're seeing something that just is not there. I'm telling you as the person who wrote it, in hopes to clear any misperceived aggression/disrespect because you are completely misinterpreting my tone. Perhaps I mistakenly quoted you ... for that I apologize. Who I was making the statement to? And Why? In fact, I can not remember now. Know, I'm simply coming from a place of understanding. That is it. I hope you will accept my word as the person originating it. However, from the looks of it I think, perhaps, you may be over-analyzing what people are saying? I do not know. And perhaps I am? Who's to say. You seem to be on the defensive, but you don't need to be. You really don't. How I see it, we're all simply here opening a dialogue. In no way, shape or form was I meaning to disrespect you or talk condescendingly. I'm quite shocked that you would assume this from me just saying, "Hello!"? Really? This is crazy to me! On the contrary, I found your statements to be well articulated and concise. I could go on about this. Right now, I do not have the time to argue, nor do I desire to. Wishing everyone all the best!
 
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