"Is ABD worth the $$$?" Discussion thread

My DD (11) and I went to Costa Rica in February 2014 and loved it! This past September we went on an equally expensive family tour with Thomson Family Adventures which we also enjoyed. The Disney trip though had a much better rafiki and much higher quality hotels, transportation, and help with luggage etc. So given the similar prices I would say Disney was worth it. I would book with them again if they went anywhere else during the MidWinter break!!
 
My background is I've traveled in Europe and Asia quite a bit before having children. I feel very comfortable and enjoy planning and traveling. After having children we took a few DCL Baltic and Med Cruises (which I still love to do and is uniquely helpful for traveling with very young children <6). I wanted to travel more extensively with my oldest son, but at 7yo (now 10yo) wanted him to be able to travel with other young children for fun. And that has worked out amazingly well. It's his favorite way to travel and I know a lot of it is because he makes great friends during these trips. So, I can certainly attest to traveling with children regardless how comfortable you are with planning. Traveling with other likeminded families is a major plus, and from what I've seen it seems to hold true for teens as it does for "junior adventures".

There is another aspect that I didn't understand before taking an ABD, and that's the guides. It is just not something that can be understood until you've traveled with ABD. I've done a lot of private tours all over the world. The majority of the time the private guides are wonderful, but they're not on the same level as ABD guides. I don't know how ABD picks them, but I guess somehow Disney is able to choose amongst it's thousands of cast members for the best of the best. These guys are the Top Guns of VIP guides. They set a certain tone when traveling. They keep everything light hearted, fun, enjoyable, and stress free. They inform and educate. They want everyone to have the best trip ever. And all the guests respond to that tone as well and everyone has an amazing carefree time. I don't know if that's the best way to describe the guides. I think you have to experience it firsthand. But they make a big difference, and they add a lot of "value" to a trip.

I still travel a fair amount outside of ABD (and DCL). Sometimes we take adult trips with friends with a more hardcore foodie/wine style. Sadly that is not ABD. If I could wave a magic wand and change one thing about ABD, I'd strive for better restaurants. Some are amazing IMO, and some are just ok. Sometimes we travel more extensively with our children that are too young for ABD. We're going to Central Europe in a week with the kids. On the upside, I'm able to choose different hotels than are on the Prague/Vienna ABD that I want and we can focus and linger when and where we want, but (if all my kids were old enough) I'd trade that sense of freedom and independence for the magical, carefree fun of the ABD. There are disadvantages traveling with ABD, but the advantages far outweigh them. So, I travel a lot of different ways. ABD is consistently my favorite way. It's not for everyone, but I would encourage anyone on the fence to try it. I have yet to meet anyone on a trip that didn't have a a spectacular time and want to do another.

I love the way you articulated all of that! We can relate to everything you wrote! Thank you! I was talking with someone last night (whom I had just met, a fellow disneyphile, and DVC member) and we discussed everything you just said. It really helps frame an educated decision. Thank you!
 
we just got back from DCL to Norway and 2 weeks DIY land. We were in line at the airport with a family going on ABD to Italy. We joked that we were going on Adventures by [our last name]. After a few mishaps, including our sold-out hotel for 4 persons only sleeping 2 persons and a train to nowhere (instead of a cute Rhine town) due to mudslides, we started calling our trip "Misadventures by ____." I am quite comfortable in Europe and resolved our various issues. But, these various mishaps could have unnerved someone else. I negotiated many trains, planes, boats, hotels, and spent many hours prior to the trip planning. Many things worked perfectly on my well-researched agenda and we saw so many fabulous sights. But, we also had many small mishaps (getting off a the wrong train stop and sprinting to catch the sight-seeing boat, trying to get train tickets from Disney Paris into Paris right after Eurostar arrived with 300+ people, after waiting in line 45 minutes, giving up and (luckily) getting a cab to take us to Paris, as we had a limited amount of time to see the Louvre.). Small things, but it can affect your day. I had a plan B and C. At one point DD said we were on plan Z. Part of the trip felt like the amazing race.
We had a great, exhausting trip for less than 1/2 the price of ABD. If I did not speak some French, didn't have time to devote to planning, down to the train schedules, shuttle hours, route from metro to hotel, etc., or had a single child, then I would definitely consider ABD.
 
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we just got back from DCL to Norway and 2 weeks DIY land. We were in line at the airport with a family going on ABD to Italy. We joked that we were going on Adventures by [our last name]. After a few mishaps, including our sold-out hotel for 4 persons only sleeping 2 persons and a train to nowhere (instead of a cute Rhine town) due to mudslides, we started calling our trip "Misadventures by ____." I am quite comfortable in Europe and resolved our various issues. But, these various mishaps could have unnerved someone else. I negotiated many trains, planes, boats, hotels, and spent many hours prior to the trip planning. Many things worked perfectly on my well-researched agenda and we saw so many fabulous sights. But, we also had many small mishaps (getting off a the wrong train stop and sprinting to catch the sight-seeing boat, trying to get train tickets from Disney Paris into Paris right after Eurostar arrived with 300+ people, after waiting in line 45 minutes, giving up and (luckily) getting a cab to take us to Paris, as we had a limited amount of time to see the Louvre.). Small things, but it can affect your day. I had a plan B and C. At one point DD said we were on plan Z. Part of the trip felt like the amazing race.
We had a great, exhausting trip for less than 1/2 the price of ABD. If I did not speak some French, didn't have time to devote to planning, down to the train schedules, shuttle hours, route from metro to hotel, etc., or had a single child, then I would definitely consider ABD.

Your "vacation family name" should be like ours... The Griswolds, lol. That's what we call ourselves lately. Had many mishaps on a few trips somewhat like yours. It all turned out well though and we chalked it up to one of life's lessons.
Anywho, ABD is on the pricey side, but they do take care of EVERYTHING. We have done two so far, one trip we will do again, the other we would do on our own. Just my $.02
 
OTOH, on reflection, we might have had fewer mishaps if we weren't jamming so much in everyday with some tight timing (but there is nothing I would have cut out). It was relatively easy with the internet to research and plan outings. At one point, we literally felt like we were shadowing several Rhine River cruise. We saw Viking cruisers on shore excursions in Heidelberg, Basel, St. Goar, Colmar, and Strasbourg. Of course, we had to navigate the train/bus/tickets ourselves, but as it was less than 100 euros per day for travel and admission tickets for a family of 4, we put up with a few mishaps. I try to put in a few experiences to try to mimic ABD, like eating lunch at Heidelberg castle and wine tasting in the castle's cellar.
I estimate that the land portion for food/transport/hotels/museums for 12 days for 4 persons was under $7K total, and that included a DDay beaches full day tour, Louvre, Fountainebleu, one day Disney Paris, 3 other castle tours, Strasbourg Cathedral tower climb, Basel Zoo, Rhine day cruise, and much more. So, at this point in our lives, we find DCL in Europe worth it (7 day OV cabin for 4 to Norway was $6500), but not ABD. The difference in price pays a year of DD's in-state college.
It's A LOT of planning and logistics, but if travel is your hobby and you have the time and can roll with some mishaps, a family can save a lot of $. But, you also have to be able to hang out 24/7 and not get on each others' nerves, as there is no tour guide or buffer of other families. Another benefit to DIY, is that you can pick a base and day trip. We did a base on the Rhine (3 days), Disney Paris (6 days) and then Colmar, France (3 days). I gave everyone an agenda and then let them decide each day if they were going on the planned outing or chilling at the hotel. 1 or 2 days, a teen decided to chill. You cannot do this on a tour.
 


I was asked if I had taken ABD. my comments are from someone who has not taken ABD, but has just done DCL to Europe with a DIY pre-land. They were designed to give those considering ABD in Europe but wondering whether it was "worth it" compared to DIY an idea of both the snafus and minor/major mishaps that occur when DIY that occur, as well a a real-life cost estimate of the difference in price for Europe. Of course, I cannot comment on the great guides or, I assume, wonderful friends you make on these trips. But, I thought that my experiences might help someone decide if they had the personality to be comfortable with these types of snafus and the massive planning beforehand or book with ABD or another tour company. We made our decision that ABD is not worth it for a family of 5+, based solely on cost vs. what I could plan and execute DIY. I gave some of our snafus, as well as easy excursions and day trips to show what was possible DIY. I thought DCL and DIY land was a less expensive (and perfect, IMHO) option for Europe for some to consider, as well.
I am in no way discouraging others from ABD. Again (from my 1st post), if I did not speak some French, didn't have time to devote to planning, down to the train schedules, shuttle hours, route from metro to hotel, etc., or had a single child, then I would definitely consider ABD. Elaine
 
I do not think there would be more than a few people, if anyone, who would be dissatisfied with the quality of ABD tours. The question is whether it is worth the cost. One way to answer this question is to ask anyone, who has taken an ABD tour, and a similar luxury tour by another tour company but at a lower cost, and compare the 2 tours.
 
1) When "doing Europe", we fly-in and do a self-directed tour.
. . . I ran manufacturing plants in Wales0France-England-CzechRepublic, and drove around a lot on long weekends.
. . . With the aid of a Rick Steve's guidebook, for finer points, I can still get around without much effort.
2) When we go elsewhere, we usually take a packaged tour.
3) Just is easy for me to ask non-retired subordinates who they use, and haven't had a bad tour yet.
. . . each area of country has tours that are better than others
. . . although non are "bad", some do provide more info
. . . plus, we do to want to hit the typical "tourist" spots
. . . in many cases, "the path least taken" yields greater sights and more interesting conversation/interaction with the locals.
4) We did to an ABD, and although nice, did not think it warranted the added costs.
5) There is a SIGNIFICANT PREMIUM over other tours.
. . . that money is far better spend on souvenirs or side-tours
. . . we frequently use saved moneys to eat at fancier or more ethnic local restaurants
. . . tours are nice, but we do like to upscale in some towns
 
In my opinion, Adventures by Disney is no longer worth the price. I think they used to be but not anymore. We just got back from the Central Europe ABD and for the price we paid I think we could have done it better on our own and done 95% of what our ABD offered ourselves because the tours were available to book by anyone if you knew where to look. And believe me, I looked because Disney would not guarantee our trip as going until 6 weeks prior to departure even though we had 22 people on our trip 8 months before departure. We only had 2 exclusive VIP experiences on our trip and they were not worth it. Our first VIP experience was a dinner at Folklore Gardens in Prague and it was mediocre at best. The dancing was nice but the food was horrible. If you want a cultural experience in Prague, go enjoy dinner in Old Town Square then go get tickets to one of the 300 concert halls around town. And our other VIP experience was a private after hours tour of the Vienna Zoo and dinner in the Emperor's Pavilion, both of which is at Scheonbrunn. The bus was late picking us up and then it took us an hour to get from the hotel to the Palace (it was a 15 minute subway ride - I know because I'd done it earlier in the day) so that by the time we even got to the zoo it was already getting dark. Well how can we see animals if it's dark out? And as for dinner? That was a joke. The food was cold and hard, that's if you were lucky enough to even get food. Half the people at my table didn't even get their food while everyone else in the group was getting second and third drinks and the guides didn't do anything about it until I snapped at a waiter who was bringing second and third drinks to the table. Really the only thing that saved this trip for us, was us. We made sure that we saw and did the things that we wanted to do and that meant leaving the group multiple times. We bailed on the group in Salzburg and both days in Vienna. But basically everything that was being offered on this trip, I could book myself, even the privately guided tour of Prague Castle, I can book myself. Only reason we even went with ABD in the end was because we couldn't cancel without forfeiting our deposit and we weren't going to do that.

As for a comparison with a comparable trip. I'm booked to do South East Asia in just over 3 months with another company. It is pretty comparable with the ABD South East Asia trip. My trip goes to a few different places in Vietnam but the two trips go to the same three countries of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

Adventures by Disney
It starts at $5,599/per adult and Disney has it "listed" as 12 days/11 nights. But when you actually really look into the trip details. You are only getting 9 days of actual guided touring time. You have no official guided tour time on your arrival or departure day and you have an on your own day in the middle of the trip with no guided touring that day. Break that down and it works out to a cost of $622 per guided tour day, since that's what I'm paying to go on this trip for, guided touring time.

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We're paying $6,495/per adult and it's a 13 day adventure. We have activities with our guides on our arrival day and we are touring with our guides on our departure day. We have no on our own days anywhere on the trip. We have on our own time but no full days of on our own time. That breaks down to $499 per guided tour day. I think even though we have the bigger sticker price, we're actually getting the better deal for our dollar overall
 
In my opinion, Adventures by Disney is no longer worth the price. I think they used to be but not anymore. We just got back from the Central Europe ABD and for the price we paid I think we could have done it better on our own and done 95% of what our ABD offered ourselves because the tours were available to book by anyone if you knew where to look. And believe me, I looked because Disney would not guarantee our trip as going until 6 weeks prior to departure even though we had 22 people on our trip 8 months before departure. We only had 2 exclusive VIP experiences on our trip and they were not worth it. Our first VIP experience was a dinner at Folklore Gardens in Prague and it was mediocre at best. The dancing was nice but the food was horrible. If you want a cultural experience in Prague, go enjoy dinner in Old Town Square then go get tickets to one of the 300 concert halls around town. And our other VIP experience was a private after hours tour of the Vienna Zoo and dinner in the Emperor's Pavilion, both of which is at Scheonbrunn. The bus was late picking us up and then it took us an hour to get from the hotel to the Palace (it was a 15 minute subway ride - I know because I'd done it earlier in the day) so that by the time we even got to the zoo it was already getting dark. Well how can we see animals if it's dark out? And as for dinner? That was a joke. The food was cold and hard, that's if you were lucky enough to even get food. Half the people at my table didn't even get their food while everyone else in the group was getting second and third drinks and the guides didn't do anything about it until I snapped at a waiter who was bringing second and third drinks to the table. Really the only thing that saved this trip for us, was us. We made sure that we saw and did the things that we wanted to do and that meant leaving the group multiple times. We bailed on the group in Salzburg and both days in Vienna. But basically everything that was being offered on this trip, I could book myself, even the privately guided tour of Prague Castle, I can book myself. Only reason we even went with ABD in the end was because we couldn't cancel without forfeiting our deposit and we weren't going to do that.

As for a comparison with a comparable trip. I'm booked to do South East Asia in just over 3 months with another company. It is pretty comparable with the ABD South East Asia trip. My trip goes to a few different places in Vietnam but the two trips go to the same three countries of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

Adventures by Disney
It starts at $5,599/per adult and Disney has it "listed" as 12 days/11 nights. But when you actually really look into the trip details. You are only getting 9 days of actual guided touring time. You have no official guided tour time on your arrival or departure day and you have an on your own day in the middle of the trip with no guided touring that day. Break that down and it works out to a cost of $622 per guided tour day, since that's what I'm paying to go on this trip for, guided touring time.

Other Tour Company (See Signature for Company)
We're paying $6,495/per adult and it's a 13 day adventure. We have activities with our guides on our arrival day and we are touring with our guides on our departure day. We have no on our own days anywhere on the trip. We have on our own time but no full days of on our own time. That breaks down to $499 per guided tour day. I think even though we have the bigger sticker price, we're actually getting the better deal for our dollar overall
Cinderella's Slipper, I didn't realize you'd been on an ABD previous to this one. Which one? I'd be interested to hear why you thought that one was more "worth it" than the Central Europe trip.

I'm sorry this trip didn't meet up to your expectations, but I think when it gets to a point that you're only taking a trip so that you don't lose your deposit, then maybe you could have, perhaps, explored having your deposit moved to another trip, and done this one on your own. I think it's sad that you went in already knowing that you didn't want to do most of the activities on the trip, and that you were going to skip out on big chunks of it, and not really be a part of it. It seems to me like you actually *did* waste your deposit if you took a trip you didn't like or want to be on just to not lose the deposit.

I hope that National Geographic ends up fitting your needs better. It seems like you're more impressed with their itinerary, so hopefully there's a chance this might be the case. Obviously, ABD is not going to be the right fit for everybody. I'm glad you've really examined the itinerary for Nat Geo, and it seems more like something you'd like. You'll have to let us know how that goes.

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Cinderella's Slipper, I didn't realize you'd been on an ABD previous to this one. Which one? I'd be interested to hear why you thought that one was more "worth it" than the Central Europe trip.

I'm sorry this trip didn't meet up to your expectations, but I think when it gets to a point that you're only taking a trip so that you don't lose your deposit, then maybe you should have, at the least, explored having your deposit moved to another trip, and done this one on your own. I think it's sad that you went in already knowing that you didn't want to do most of the activities on the trip, and that you were going to skip out on big chunks of it, and not really be a part of it. It seems to me like you actually *did* waste your deposit if you took a trip you didn't like or want to be on just to not lose the deposit.

I hope that National Geographic ends up fitting your needs better. It seems like you're more impressed with their itinerary, so hopefully there's a chance this might be the case. Obviously, ABD is not going to be the right fit for everybody. I'm glad you've really examined the itinerary for Nat Geo, and it seems more like something you'd like. You'll have to let us know how that goes.

Sayhello

We did the Backstage Magic trip and that trip was worth the cost. We felt that the access we got was such that it is impossible to recreate. You truly do get VIP access that you cannot recreate on your own.

As for the deposit issue with Central Europe, we were not about to forego the deposit since ABD changed their deposit policy to 10% of your trip price and that would mean we would lose about $500 per person and that would be in US funds so that would be about $600 Canadian per person and there really are no other ABD trips that are of interest to us at this point in time. Either they don't have an adult trip or they don't do what/go to where we want to. It's not that we didn't want to do most of the activities on the trip, we actually did want to do most of the activities on the trip and we did. We bailed in Salzburg because we didn't want to do the Sound of Music tour and we toured the fortress there instead. As for Vienna, quite frankly the tour we got of the Palace was horrible. It was a 45 minute tour of 1/2 the palace where the guide stood us in a room off the ballroom to talk ABOUT the ballroom. Seriously? This was the one thing I really wanted to see in Vienna. I came to Vienna to Schonnbrunn Palace and I got raced through it in 45 minutes and only got shown 1/2 the palace and was only told minimal information about it. And nevermind getting to see the amazing gardens out the back. My mom knew how disappointed I was with the tour so she just told the ABD guide that we were done with the group for the day and we were staying at the Palace. Had we known how bad the zoo tour and dinner would have been we would have bought the ticket that included the zoo, not just the full palace tour, gardens and gloriette access.

Believe me, if we could have gotten the money back from Disney, we would have but there was no way they would have given us the money back unless they cancelled the trip.

All of this will show up in my blog, as will my South East Asia trip. I'm working on the next instalment now.
 
To Sayhello ,

You have " done " the boat cruise & would you do it again But make your own Bookings ?
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To Cinderella's Slipper,

Would you go back to Austria & make your own bookings ?

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Me ..... I would do it & have done . but without guides .

I was in Berlin for 4 days 2 weeks ago & drove a Trabant car ----- Trabant Safari Tours in Berlin

Yes there were 6 of us & at least 8 local " Berlin locals " ( 1 born in Ireland & 1 now living in Ireland )
 
Would you go back to Austria & make your own bookings ?

Yes. I would totally go back to Austria on my own. We basically did Vienna on our own anyway and we had a great time. We didn't want to leave actually. We even found a Marriott just down from the Ritz and went and got their contact information so I know which hotel I'm looking for to book it. We're looking at the possibility of going back there in 2018. N.G. has a hiking tour of the Czech Republic that we're looking where you fly into Vienna and then get driven straight to Valtice in the Czech Republic and the trip finishes up in Prague. We would spend a few extra days in Prague (we loved it there too) and then take the train down to Vienna and spend a few days in Vienna before flying home. Even if we didn't do the hiking trip, we are talking about just going and doing Prague and Vienna on our own. We fell in love with both cities and we enjoyed them both more when we were exploring them on our own. But we also don't believe that you find the culture in the way that Disney is presenting it. We don't feel that you truly experience the culture of a place in the packaged Hollywood version of place like with the Sound of Music tour. That's not Austria or Salzburg. To us, we find the culture of a place out amongst the people, doing what they do, going where they go.
 
Yes. I would totally go back to Austria on my own. We basically did Vienna on our own anyway and we had a great time. We didn't want to leave actually. We even found a Marriott just down from the Ritz and went and got their contact information so I know which hotel I'm looking for to book it. We're looking at the possibility of going back there in 2018. N.G. has a hiking tour of the Czech Republic that we're looking where you fly into Vienna and then get driven straight to Valtice in the Czech Republic and the trip finishes up in Prague. We would spend a few extra days in Prague (we loved it there too) and then take the train down to Vienna and spend a few days in Vienna before flying home. Even if we didn't do the hiking trip, we are talking about just going and doing Prague and Vienna on our own. We fell in love with both cities and we enjoyed them both more when we were exploring them on our own. But we also don't believe that you find the culture in the way that Disney is presenting it. We don't feel that you truly experience the culture of a place in the packaged Hollywood version of place like with the Sound of Music tour. That's not Austria or Salzburg. To us, we find the culture of a place out amongst the people, doing what they do, going where they go.
Like going to a family run farm, learning about what they do, and making cheese and pizza with them? Or going to a family-run Apricot farm and learning about what they do and tasting their products? Or by rising at dawn to join the locals in offering sticky rice to the monks in Laos? Or by traveling to a remote town in the hills of Crete to watch a farmer milk his goats, learn how to make cheese from him, and dine on a meal cooked in a traditional stove and help make little honey cakes for your dessert? Or going to a small bakery in Scotland to learn how to make scones? There *are* ABD's that include amazing cultural activities with the locals, many of which you *can't* reproduce on your own. It just sounds to me like perhaps you didn't research the itinerary you went on well enough, if that's the experience you were looking for.

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Like going to a family run farm, learning about what they do, and making cheese and pizza with them? Or going to a family-run Apricot farm and learning about what they do and tasting their products? Or by rising at dawn to join the locals in offering sticky rice to the monks in Laos? Or by traveling to a remote town in the hills of Crete to watch a farmer milk his cows, learn how to make cheese from him, and dine on a meal cooked in a traditional stove and help make little honey cakes for your dessert? Or going to a small bakery in Scotland to learn how to make scones? There *are* ABD's that include amazing cultural activities with the locals, many of which you *can't* reproduce on your own. It just sounds to me like perhaps you didn't research the itinerary you went on well enough, if that's the experience you were looking for.

Sayhello

How exactly is taking a Sound of Music tour in Salzburg cultural? That isn't Austrian culture. That's Hollywood's idea of Austrian culture. And as for the monks in Laos, we'll be doing that on our trip anyway. Plus, we get far more cultural experiences than what ABD is offering on their trip. No tuk-tuk scavenger hunts through Angkor Wat for us.
 
How exactly is taking a Sound of Music tour in Salzburg cultural? That isn't Austrian culture. That's Hollywood's idea of Austrian culture. And as for the monks in Laos, we'll be doing that on our trip anyway. Plus, we get far more cultural experiences than what ABD is offering on their trip. No tuk-tuk scavenger hunts through Angkor Wat for us.
I didn't say *all* their activities are cultural in nature. Some of them are just because 95% of the people who go to Salzburg want to see the sights from the Sound of Music. Lots of people (including me) like to do some touristy things, too. There's a reason some things are popular with the tourists.

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We are going on our first ABD trip in May to Italy. We are expats in Europe right now and in the past 14 months since we moved here, we've visited around the Netherlands where we live, Antwerp, Brussles, Amsterdam, Cologne, Paris, Barcelona, Crete, been on a Disney cruise to Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Scotland, and England. Every single one of those trips (including the disney cruise), I ALONE organized all of our excursions and tours of the cities. My husband has zero interst in travel planning, so I do it all.

I know I could do Italy on our own. But, frankly, I want to be able to go to MY dream destination and just be able to sit back and enjoy it. Have some one ELSE hand me an itinerary that's been vetted, so I can finally just show up and enjoy myself. So just enjoying myself is really the only expectation I have!
 
We are going on our first ABD trip in May to Italy. We are expats in Europe right now and in the past 14 months since we moved here, we've visited around the Netherlands where we live, Antwerp, Brussles, Amsterdam, Cologne, Paris, Barcelona, Crete, been on a Disney cruise to Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Scotland, and England. Every single one of those trips (including the disney cruise), I ALONE organized all of our excursions and tours of the cities. My husband has zero interst in travel planning, so I do it all.

I know I could do Italy on our own. But, frankly, I want to be able to go to MY dream destination and just be able to sit back and enjoy it. Have some one ELSE hand me an itinerary that's been vetted, so I can finally just show up and enjoy myself. So just enjoying myself is really the only expectation I have!
Well, ABD excels at that, so you should be in great hands!

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