This one should be fun.....the tour groups with the flags

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I seem to notice them more at Universal than Disney. I've never had any personal issues with them, I just try to either get in line just ahead of them, or just go a different direction
 
The tour groups have been talked about for years...

But curious if the group line had started entering when OP wanted to go in, or were they still a ways from getting there...

If the first, then I would say they had the right of way as their group was in line (however staggered, even regular non-group lines can be like that) and the OP was trying to cut in their line. However slowly they entered , as long as there wasn't a very large gap, doesn't really matter as once everyone bunches up in the queue its all the same.

If the second, where they hadn't started entering and had a large gap until they got there, then the guide should have let OP pass.
 
They've been around forever. Nothing you or I say or do is going to change anything. The only thing I can control is my own reaction. It's difficult to maintain that mindset, but I do everything I can to not get myself upset during my short, expensive, and overall very awesome vacation.
 


Guess I am lucky as I almost never have seen one of these groups at Universal. Yes, a lot at Disney, but not Universal. Then again, I avoid peak seasons for the most part. However, whether any park, I typically do what others have stated and that is ignore them. I either go the opposite direction, or if I really have a place I need to be and they keep to be going that same direction, I just keep heading in that direction and try to separate myself from them as much as possible. Regardless of how they act I just do not do crowds well.

Personally I let the pieces fall where they may for several reasons other than simply having the habit of going with the flow. Reasons being - I do not want a scene to be created / escalated, not wanting to create misunderstandings / frustrations on either side, and seems fruitless as a lot of guests regardless of language barriers, seem to want their way. The last one is a big one. I do not know how many times I've seen actual TMs have to repeatedly tell guests certain things and they act oblivious and keep doing it, or keep talking to a TM in order to attempt to get something they can't have, or do something they're not allowed to do. I already do that a lot on my own job. I do not need to deal with it here as well.

That being said, if something you feel is needed to be done, tell a TM. That is personally my advice to anyone. It may not be a long lasting solution, however it is best to not deal with a confrontation personally and that way it's from a person of authority. That way a TM can notify them to follow certain protocol afterward (if they do not get them during the act), inform them on what they should do in the future, and if there is a language barrier might be able to find someone better to communicate. It may not work for next time, but it's the best solution in that moment.

To me, it seems poor timing and we all weren't there. It sounds like two approach roughly at the same time. OP has themselves and four families behind them, the group leader has a bunch of members in their party as well. So, either way, one would have to wait on the other. While there is a debate what is appropriate and inappropriate I honestly feel as if the group leader was making sure everyone got in line and stuck together and there was a language barrier on top of it. It could be entitlement, sure, as a lot of people can fit into that category, but all in all, I just think they were making sure they got onto the ride (which a lot of people feel it's every man for themselves when they try to get onto ride while others trying to as well), making sure people stuck together, and didn't understand what the OP was saying.
 
Never encouraging when parks are crowded, FOTL perk or not

My school of thought, the flags can be helpful in a sense. If you see one off on the horizon, it’s time to do a 180 in your tracks

do think English perhaps being second language often comes into play in these situations. I try to be empathetic as usually appears to be young kids out of their element/in strange country, etc

any group can clog up park flow, don’t get me started on large families who hold hands & insist on walking side by side in any park, no matter if others are crowded out on the walkways

Your last paragraph is interesting. Had a bit of a run-in yesterday with a visiting family.
Guess I am lucky as I almost never have seen one of these groups at Universal. Yes, a lot at Disney, but not Universal. Then again, I avoid peak seasons for the most part. However, whether any park, I typically do what others have stated and that is ignore them. I either go the opposite direction, or if I really have a place I need to be and they keep to be going that same direction, I just keep heading in that direction and try to separate myself from them as much as possible. Regardless of how they act I just do not do crowds well.

Personally I let the pieces fall where they may for several reasons other than simply having the habit of going with the flow. Reasons being - I do not want a scene to be created / escalated, not wanting to create misunderstandings / frustrations on either side, and seems fruitless as a lot of guests regardless of language barriers, seem to want their way. The last one is a big one. I do not know how many times I've seen actual TMs have to repeatedly tell guests certain things and they act oblivious and keep doing it, or keep talking to a TM in order to attempt to get something they can't have, or do something they're not allowed to do. I already do that a lot on my own job. I do not need to deal with it here as well.

That being said, if something you feel is needed to be done, tell a TM. That is personally my advice to anyone. It may not be a long lasting solution, however it is best to not deal with a confrontation personally and that way it's from a person of authority. That way a TM can notify them to follow certain protocol afterward (if they do not get them during the act), inform them on what they should do in the future, and if there is a language barrier might be able to find someone better to communicate. It may not work for next time, but it's the best solution in that moment.

To me, it seems poor timing and we all weren't there. It sounds like two approach roughly at the same time. OP has themselves and four families behind them, the group leader has a bunch of members in their party as well. So, either way, one would have to wait on the other. While there is a debate what is appropriate and inappropriate I honestly feel as if the group leader was making sure everyone got in line and stuck together and there was a language barrier on top of it. It could be entitlement, sure, as a lot of people can fit into that category, but all in all, I just think they were making sure they got onto the ride (which a lot of people feel it's every man for themselves when they try to get onto ride while others trying to as well), making sure people stuck together, and didn't understand what the OP was saying.
The line was from the entrance to transformers staggering all the way down the street (left if facing the entrance).

It was a good bunch of people.

I know some people are scared of confrontation and it shows....I'm not, and I don't draw a scene either. I'm not even talking about violent confrontation. I'm a sarcastic and quiet smart mouth, maintain my composure and then do what's appropriate. If anyone has an issue with that they are typically in the wrong and got little their feelings hurt because someone called them on it instead of being scared of confrontation.

Someone mentioned it could ruin their expensive vacation but I guess it would make my day really.

This is simply akin to the concept of people who camp out in the left lane because they're too entitled to care or never had someone teach them there are 4 lanes for a reason and they're not exactly left lane material.

I'm happy to help people understand. If they get mad that's on them but as I usually say to them "I ain't the one....walk away".

So we're not talking about violent outbursts that bring attention. Just a simple "nope" and keep walking.

A guest holding up a line for a group that large is not OK and it is absolutely entitlement. Here's the contrast to those of us who were raised better. We slid in to line sunday for a ride. Right as we were getting to the poles my 3 year old said his shoe came off. I stopped to help him and moved aside. My wife and older kid kept walking. A few other people got in line. I could have asked politely to catch up but I yelled for my wife and they went back. It's no ones fault that his shoe came off but it's no one else's responsibility. I shouldn't hold up someone's day.

So whether it is ignorance or entitlement I don't really care either way. I'll move on as if they don't exist and then it's up to them if they want to get froggy and jump :)
 
I know the conversation carried on but my question was answered so I certainly appreciate that.

I was actually able to feed my curiosity in the park too. I asked someone there and he kinda giggled while saying "noooo....they should not do that and we won't allow it". He laughed as if he has heard that same question before.
 


I know some people are scared of confrontation and it shows....I'm not, and I don't draw a scene either. I'm not even talking about violent confrontation. I'm a sarcastic and quiet smart mouth, maintain my composure and then do what's appropriate. If anyone has an issue with that they are typically in the wrong and got little their feelings hurt because someone called them on it instead of being scared of confrontation.
Confrontation between guests is typically not something that is encouraged by any park management

Guests have been escorted out/banned over the years from the parks for a myriad of reasons that some would consider insignificant Really doesn’t matter though if you disagree with management, it’s their house

Attempting to judge how/why a stranger you encounter acts, or will respond to any sort of personalized encounter that ’calls them out, strikes me as both a waste of my park time & a possibly risky endeavor

Life is short, I feel no need to sweat the small, insignificant stuff, have nothing to prove. YMMV
 
Confrontation between guests is typically not something that is encouraged by any park management

Guests have been escorted out/banned over the years from the parks for a myriad of reasons that some would consider insignificant Really doesn’t matter though if you disagree with management, it’s their house

Attempting to judge how/why a stranger you encounter acts, or will respond to any sort of personalized encounter that ’calls them out, strikes me as both a waste of my park time & a possibly risky endeavor

Life is short, I feel no need to sweat the small, insignificant stuff, have nothing to prove. YMMV

Not being worried about someone or a situation isn't provoking....it's just not shying away from it. It's up to someone else to escalate. I just do what's allowed but if I'm wrong I'm the first to apologize.

You missed the point but not an issue. I'll never do anything that would warrant me getting kicked out.....thus the original question to start this whole thing.

I just won't "do a 180" as some have said and disrupt my day because someone else wants to be a human brick wall.

I like to be courteous and respectful to others by choice not because they require me to.

My question was answered though. I was surprised by the first responses. Not what I expected from a group like this. The 2nd half of responses was more of what I expected from this.

It has been helpful though.
 
The UO boards usually all play nice
It’s a great group of posters that enjoy helping all

Glad we were able to help you.
Think we can end this thread on a high note.
 
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