To Infinity and Beyond - Becoming a Better DopeyBadger (Comments Welcome)

Thanks Billy, yeah I'm worried about this to be honest, the advice I got was to not run until Friday but at the very least Tuesday if the calf felt ok. My head says if the leg feels ok then I should get back to it, my heart says the goal is sub 4Hr Marathon not a perfect training schedule, but I fear that this may be too much of a break.
I guess I'm looking for advice/confirmation on my real concern - Can the training recover if I leave off until next Sunday and then do 10-12k and back to plan Tuesday?

Your current fitness when optimally trained is 3:24 (based on the 5k). A 4:00 is about 15% slower. If I'm right, then reason you didn't hit the time prior was because you trained too hard (150 min+ workouts). If you take off 2 weeks of running (this past week and this current week) and resume training on 7/11, then the estimate is a loss of 6% fitness. This can be regained in about 2 weeks time. Given the current 8 week time frame (with 1 more week off, then the next week of 7/11 completely easy) it is still reasonable to have a 4:00 goal. It will be significantly harder to obtain because of the time off, but the other side of the coin is to push through the injury which has a higher probability of making a 4:00 impossible (either through not even starting or severely hampered). I think the safer choice is to take more time off and then come back with a complete easy week. We'll know closer to race day whether the 4:00 goal is still obtainable.
 
Your current fitness when optimally trained is 3:24 (based on the 5k). A 4:00 is about 15% slower. If I'm right, then reason you didn't hit the time prior was because you trained too hard (150 min+ workouts). If you take off 2 weeks of running (this past week and this current week) and resume training on 7/11, then the estimate is a loss of 6% fitness. This can be regained in about 2 weeks time. Given the current 8 week time frame (with 1 more week off, then the next week of 7/11 completely easy) it is still reasonable to have a 4:00 goal. It will be significantly harder to obtain because of the time off, but the other side of the coin is to push through the injury which has a higher probability of making a 4:00 impossible (either through not even starting or severely hampered). I think the safer choice is to take more time off and then come back with a complete easy week. We'll know closer to race day whether the 4:00 goal is still obtainable.

Thanks Billy,
Think I'll keep it safe and not do anything until the weekend - I'd rather be fully fit at Race Day. For now I'll take the time out to let this injury heal. I've cancelled the 10 that was planned for 7/23 to concentrate of the training plan. I want to give this full focus now, if anything I think the injury has actually made me more determined to suceed now so let's get over it and then get to it!.
 
Thanks Billy,
Think I'll keep it safe and not do anything until the weekend - I'd rather be fully fit at Race Day. For now I'll take the time out to let this injury heal. I've cancelled the 10 that was planned for 7/23 to concentrate of the training plan. I want to give this full focus now, if anything I think the injury has actually made me more determined to suceed now so let's get over it and then get to it!.

I think that's a wise choice. Then we'll see how you feel in the weeks leading up to race day to make any final decisions on goals.
 
Marathon Weekend dining reservations are all finished (and likely to change!)!

1/2 (Tues) - Chef Mickey's 6:40pm
1/3 (Wed) - Bon Voyage 9:15am
1/4 (Thurs) - Flame Tree BBQ for lunch; Yak and Yeti at 4:30pm
1/5 (Fri) - Beaches and Cream 12:30pm; Olivia's 5:30pm
1/6 (Sat) - Be Our Guest 12:20pm; Roaring Forks for dinner
1/7 (Sun) - Ohana 8:15pm

It feels more real now with these in place.
 


I tried so hard to swim today. I really wanted to. We had an issue in atlanta with a boil water alert yesterday. Sent us home from work (work downtown) thankfully condo was not affected. Office was open today but I had a vacation day, lots of errands to run. So got up early to go swim at my usual place, but they were affected by the water issue, so not allowed to swim. I think they were cleared about noon, but I had appointments. I went home and elliptical so at least I did something (smart move on my part). Out for errands on the return realized I left my keys at one place had to go back. That ate into my afternoon swim time. Got home closer to 4, so did not want to use my usual place to swim because of traffic. I have an outdoor pool near my house so I thought sure let me give it a try even if only for 30 minutes. Just as I got there thunder. I walked back home in the rain ☹️.

To add insult to injury, I went to pick up my new orthotics today. I saw them and seriously almost cried. Not at all like my old ones and I was so not happy. Did not like them at all and paid for two pairs. I got lucky though the person I was seeing was the manager at the office. I told him my story as I was not happy at my first visit, but seeing the orthotics, I was just sad. He was a great guy though. He is like I know what you want you want these. I will make you new ones myself. The kind you like. These were sent out to be manufactured. I go back next week to pick them up. At least he turned it around, I am a lot happier knowing I am going to get what I wanted.

He did recover the old pair I am wearing so that will help me a bit.
 
I booked two ADRs as well. Sunday night we are at Ca Grille. It will be DH's first marathon. I also got Flying Fish on Monday night. I usually can't eat a lot on Sunday after the marathon so I like Ca Grille can do apps and sushi or entree. I usually eat on Monday and we really like FF since it's redo. Still have to pick a few more places but since we stay at the campground we usually cook.
 
I tried so hard to swim today. I really wanted to. We had an issue in atlanta with a boil water alert yesterday. Sent us home from work (work downtown) thankfully condo was not affected. Office was open today but I had a vacation day, lots of errands to run. So got up early to go swim at my usual place, but they were affected by the water issue, so not allowed to swim. I think they were cleared about noon, but I had appointments. I went home and elliptical so at least I did something (smart move on my part). Out for errands on the return realized I left my keys at one place had to go back. That ate into my afternoon swim time. Got home closer to 4, so did not want to use my usual place to swim because of traffic. I have an outdoor pool near my house so I thought sure let me give it a try even if only for 30 minutes. Just as I got there thunder. I walked back home in the rain ☹️.

To add insult to injury, I went to pick up my new orthotics today. I saw them and seriously almost cried. Not at all like my old ones and I was so not happy. Did not like them at all and paid for two pairs. I got lucky though the person I was seeing was the manager at the office. I told him my story as I was not happy at my first visit, but seeing the orthotics, I was just sad. He was a great guy though. He is like I know what you want you want these. I will make you new ones myself. The kind you like. These were sent out to be manufactured. I go back next week to pick them up. At least he turned it around, I am a lot happier knowing I am going to get what I wanted.

He did recover the old pair I am wearing so that will help me a bit.

Oh man, those sure sound like some adventures! I'm hoping the orthotics work out the way you want them to. Us runners can be quite particular about our feet. I call them my vehicles sometimes.

I booked two ADRs as well. Sunday night we are at Ca Grille. It will be DH's first marathon. I also got Flying Fish on Monday night. I usually can't eat a lot on Sunday after the marathon so I like Ca Grille can do apps and sushi or entree. I usually eat on Monday and we really like FF since it's redo. Still have to pick a few more places but since we stay at the campground we usually cook.

Exciting! Always feel like it makes it more real when these things start happening.
 


Marathon Weekend dining reservations are all finished (and likely to change!)!

1/2 (Tues) - Chef Mickey's 6:40pm
1/3 (Wed) - Bon Voyage 9:15am
1/4 (Thurs) - Flame Tree BBQ for lunch; Yak and Yeti at 4:30pm
1/5 (Fri) - Beaches and Cream 12:30pm; Olivia's 5:30pm
1/6 (Sat) - Be Our Guest 12:20pm; Roaring Forks for dinner
1/7 (Sun) - Ohana 8:15pm

It feels more real now with these in place.
Nice! We're still deciding if we are going to stay at the park for the weekend. I live in the north part of Orlando, so it's about a 45 minute drive plus parking... so you know where my vote is lol
 
Marathon Weekend dining reservations are all finished (and likely to change!)!

1/2 (Tues) - Chef Mickey's 6:40pm
1/3 (Wed) - Bon Voyage 9:15am
1/4 (Thurs) - Flame Tree BBQ for lunch; Yak and Yeti at 4:30pm
1/5 (Fri) - Beaches and Cream 12:30pm; Olivia's 5:30pm
1/6 (Sat) - Be Our Guest 12:20pm; Roaring Forks for dinner
1/7 (Sun) - Ohana 8:15pm

It feels more real now with these in place.

Like all these dining choices with the exception of Olivia's.. have stayed in Old Key West and dined here - certainly wouldn't put it on my list for dining at again - nothing bad just very ordinary - would choose Wolfgang Puck ( the quick service) in Disney springs as a walk in over it to be honest.
 
I think that's a wise choice. Then we'll see how you feel in the weeks leading up to race day to make any final decisions on goals.
Bad news Billy - went for a run today and walked home the last 2k as calf ( different spot) went tight, think I may have to give it another week. Really depressed about it if I'm honest.
 
Like all these dining choices with the exception of Olivia's.. have stayed in Old Key West and dined here - certainly wouldn't put it on my list for dining at again - nothing bad just very ordinary - would choose Wolfgang Puck ( the quick service) in Disney springs as a walk in over it to be honest.
Disney Springs has really changed for the better, and they have a lot of really good food options now. They even have a poutine stand!
 
Like all these dining choices with the exception of Olivia's.. have stayed in Old Key West and dined here - certainly wouldn't put it on my list for dining at again - nothing bad just very ordinary - would choose Wolfgang Puck ( the quick service) in Disney springs as a walk in over it to be honest.

That's fair. I've only eaten there once before. I think we chose it only from a convenience standpoint. We've got Disney Springs penciled in for another night but we could certainly make another trip.

Bad news Billy - went for a run today and walked home the last 2k as calf ( different spot) went tight, think I may have to give it another week. Really depressed about it if I'm honest.

Nooooo... Don't worry. Just give it another week and see where you're at. Even at 6 weeks, if the fitness is still there then there is an outside chance at the sub-4. But it may be getting close to the cut-point and thinking about other options. Long term picture.

Disney Springs has really changed for the better, and they have a lot of really good food options now. They even have a poutine stand!

I'm excited to see it all re-done!
 
83 Days to Go (I will run a sub-3 hour marathon and qualify for Boston!)

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Date - Day - Scheduled Workout (Intervals within desired pace)

7/4/17 - T - 3 mile WU + 12x400 @ CV w/ 30 sec RI @ WU + 4 x 200m @ R w/ 200m RI + 3 mile CD (11/16)
7/5/17 - W - 7 miles @ 8:04-9:01 min/mile
7/6/17 - R - 2 mile WU + 8 miles @ 6:58 min/mile + 2 mile CD (7/8)
7/7/17 - F - 7 miles @ 8:04-9:01 min/mile
7/8/17 - Sat - 7 miles @ 8:04-9:01 min/mile
7/9/17 - Sun - 16 miles @ 7:35 min/mile (13/15)
7/10/17 - M - OFF

Total (training) mileage = 59.7 miles
Number of SOS intervals within pace = 31/39 (79%)

Monday was an off day and no tee-ball because of the holidays. I made a peanut butter sauce for our chicken tacos. It was chicken broth, Sriracha, honey, and peanut butter powder cooked in a sauce pan. It was delicious!

On Tuesday, I decided to launch my own fireworks for the 4th of July! The real Lakefront marathon training starts today. I decided to kick off the training with critical velocity training which is a newer concept to me. I learned it from Tim Schwartz. Essentially, it is a pace that lies between VO2max and Lactate Threshold (about 1-2% less than LT). The idea is that if done appropriately the pace can work both VO2max and LT simultaneously. If you'd like to figure out your CV pace then use the McMillan calculator, put in a recent race time, and it will give you vLT pace in red near the top of the chart. Then calculate 1-2% less than that pace. For some people this may be 5k pace, others 10k pace (like me), and others HM pace.

T+D of 117, minimal wind, partly sunny

CV Pace = 6:23 min/mile (95 seconds per 400m)
Window = +/- 1 seconds (94-96 seconds)

Mile Pace = 5:28 min/mile (41 seconds per 200m)
Window = +/- 1 second (40-42 seconds)

I was excited to give this new pacing (type of workout) a try. Initially I didn't think the 30 seconds would be so short, but it sure felt like as soon as I stopped it was time to go again.

CV Pace = 96, 94, 95, 94, 96, 93, 95, 96, 96, 94, 94, 95

Overall, the CV pace was comfortable. I had a hard time internalizing the new pace so it was a lot of clock checking and adjusting pace up and down. But overall, 11/12 intervals were within the pace window.

Mile Pace = 35, 38, 38, 38

WHAT?!?!?! I mean really???? 35 seconds?!?!? At that point I knew I must have mis-measured/mis-remembered the 200m intervals. I decided to extend the interval distance for the last couple to see if I got it closer. Looks like I was running 0.120 miles instead of 0.125 miles. Therefore, the paces were actually more like

Mile Pace = 36, 39, 39, 39

So.... umm.. yea... Even with the correction that first 200m was insanely fast. Like sub-5 minute fast (4:58 min/mile)! Yikes! The other intervals were closer to being in-line, but they were still too quick even with the distance correction (but close). So, 0/4 on the 200m intervals.

Unfortunately, during the cool-down I felt some tightness in my groin again. Thankfully, within a few hours, it had left, but it's definitely something to keep a tab on going forward.

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Even with the +24 increase in T+D I was able to hold the line on the pacing. The HR does look like it is trending downwards on the same mile at similar paces.

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Holding steady at a 7:02 min/mile average for all three Tempo runs thus far. That puts my projected finish time range at 2:59:49-3:05:24 based on historical marathon racing profiles. So so very close.

Wednesday was a T+D of 137. There was some severe weather on the way home and then a break came right when I was ready to start running. So I took advantage of the break and was able to squeeze the run in uninterrupted. Final pace of 8:49 min/mile and HR of 124. Seems like the HR is headed in the right direction. When I got home on Wednesday Steph and gotten a phone call from the appraiser. So instead of 2-3 weeks before he would be coming, he was coming on FRIDAY?!?! Freak out time! Quick super clean the house!!!

Another Thursday morning Tempo day. I'm super glad I'm doing this because this evening is a T+D of 155. Nope, nope, nope....

T+D of 144, minimal wind, and sunny.

M Tempo = 6:58 min/mile
Window = +/- 10 seconds (6:48-7:08 min/mile)

Only got 7 hours of sleep before this one (unusually low for me) because we got word that the home appraiser was suppose to come in 2 weeks but instead he's coming TOMORROW! ACK! SCRAMBLE! So, I spent a lot of time last night cleaning and getting ready. I still felt relatively confident coming in to this morning's run.

M Tempo = 7:08, 7:02, 7:00, 7:08, 6:58, 7:07, 7:12, 6:52

Felt reasonably comfortable throughout. There were periods of time where I felt locked in and was holding steady. Felt confident it was a pace I could maintain for a while. But sometimes those hills act as reality checks. Mile 7 was tough with the uphill. When I hit the bottom of the hill I was at a 7:07 lap pace and knew it was going to be tough to hit the interval with the remainder of the mile uphill. I'm pretty happy with a 7:12 all considered. I made up for it with the downhill 6:53. Overall average pace was 7:03 min/mile with 7/8 intervals within window and an average HR of 152. Solid all around. I spent the rest of Thursday frantically cleaning everything inside and outside the house. Mowing, power washing, painting, etc. We also had appointments with the cabinetry and flooring places. Decisions.... decisions....

Friday was a T+D of 138 and cloudy. The final pace was an 8:52 min/mile with a HR of 125. The appraiser visited in the morning but gave no indications. More waiting...

Saturday was a T+D of 118 and cloudy. The final pace was an 8:42 min/mile with a HR of 124. Afterwards, we headed back to the flooring place. We spent a good time hemming and hawing over the choices. I'm excited for the choices and can't wait to see if they come to fruition.

Sunday was a long run day. For someone who loves endurance running, it's been a long time since I've done a run of 16 miles or more (or 120 min or more). The last time it's happened was the Disney marathon back in January. And the last time in training was December 19th. So almost, 7 months. Welcome back endurance!

Long Run pace = 7:35 min/mile
Window = +/- 10 seconds (7:25-7:45)

T+D of 128, with minimal wind, and a mostly sunny sky. After yesterday's volleyball, badminton, and water balloon fun at a high school graduation party, I was ready to attack the long today. Unfortunately, it was an early morning to avoid the beast of temps. So I only got 7 hours of sleep instead of my normal 8-9 hours. So how did it go?

Before loop - 8:37, 7:44, 7:39,
Beg loop (double uphill and downhill) - 7:34, 7:34, 7:33, 7:30
Mid loop (flat, uphill) - 7:42, 7:33, 7:32, 7:35
End loop (downhill, flat) - 7:32, 7:27, 7:22, 7:24,
After loop - 7:34

3.1 mile loop - 25:00, 24:06, 24:36, 24:06

Solid all around! The beginning was a bit stiff (not including the first mile included lugging water to the "aid station"). After a few miles things loosened up and I fell into the groove. Unfortunately that groove was a bit too deep because I fell below the pace window twice. I tried to pull back, but it was too late by the time I noticed. Overall hit 13/15 intervals, average pace of 7:33 min/mile with an average HR of 142 (just on the top end of long run historical of 138-142). The first real training week is in the books and next week brings another new adventure with a 10 mile progression run ending with MP, HMP, and 10kP. Exciting! Not so much the upcoming temps though...

Seems like the resting HR is reacting to the endurance work I've been putting in...

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Average weekly resting HR over time. The red bars are from Disney in January (and sickness). Then you can see the ebb and flow of Daniels training. Then when I pulled back and did 2 hard per week, and now just getting back into the swing of things the last couple weeks.

I can also tell I'm finally acclimating to the temperatures because runs at 8:40-8:50 min/mile at 138-142 T+D used to be HRs of 129-130 and this week were 124-125. Moving in the right direction!
 
I'm a fan of your food plan, mostly because your Saturday lunch is my Saturday dinner and Sunday night is Ohana for us as well. Since it coincides with my planned meals it must be a good food plan, right??

Edit: Also I love Beaches and Cream but the question is, will you have ice cream there?
 
@DopeyBadger journal: When you come for the math but you stay for the food :)
Ok thoughts first on this most important topic and then I'll go read your monday update.

1/2 (Tues) - Chef Mickey's 6:40pm - I've only ever had breakfast here but kiddo LOVED IT. I feel like seeing the Fab Five during a Fab Five themed race weekend is necessary. You'll have to check in with the gang for race tips.
1/3 (Wed) - Bon Voyage 9:15am - we have this booked in November so I'll let you know how it goes. I'm super excited for this one although I pretend we booked it because kiddo will be excited.
1/4 (Thurs) - Flame Tree BBQ for lunch; Yak and Yeti at 4:30pm - I've still never been to Flame tree but have a Yak n Yeti for November that I may or may not end up keeping. Seems like you get some good fueling with this combo!
1/5 (Fri) - Beaches and Cream 12:30pm; Olivia's 5:30pm - do you like orange drinks? The frozen sunshine is amazing at B&C. Just a pro-tip.
1/6 (Sat) - Be Our Guest 12:20pm; Roaring Forks for dinner - We are doing both of these as well on our trip. Probably Roaring multiple times since we are staying at the lodge. BOG is a good post-half marathon choice. Because YOU WILL GET TO RUN THE HALF THIS TIME!
1/7 (Sun) - Ohana 8:15pm - We finish our trip with this one too...but like you know...a few months before ya'll. Never done this one for dinner so I'm kind of hoping my stomach will still have room. I'm thinking post marathon that you'll be ok in that dept.

Now I'll sit and wait while all your plans change :)
 
Ok, now to running:

My heart was pounding reading about your appraiser. Almost more than when I read race recaps. Ugh!!! I feel your anxiety on that one. Hope it works out.
I guess it has been awhile since you had a long run that was that long and you did great. I wasn't proud of my training performance this week so I'll choose to be proud of yours instead. How's that?
Pretty impressive that you got below pace considering it's hot out.
Still haven't quite got the will power to lose an hour of sleep for the sake of the weather but glad you do. Looks like it helped.
 
I'm a fan of your food plan, mostly because your Saturday lunch is my Saturday dinner and Sunday night is Ohana for us as well.

Sweet! Looks like we think alike. Well actually you think like my wife since she chose all of these.

Since it coincides with my planned meals it must be a good food plan, right??

I think so. I try to peruse the menu to make sure they've got options for me (healthy as possible). So I'd say we're good to go!

Edit: Also I love Beaches and Cream but the question is, will you have ice cream there?

We'll see how the training goes in November/December. If I'm in peak shape and ready to crush it, then I'll probably skip the ice cream and stay focused. But if things are a bit looser, than I might have some.

@DopeyBadger journal: When you come for the math but you stay for the food :)

That's funny! I'll have to keep that in mind.

1/2 (Tues) - Chef Mickey's 6:40pm - I've only ever had breakfast here but kiddo LOVED IT. I feel like seeing the Fab Five during a Fab Five themed race weekend is necessary. You'll have to check in with the gang for race tips.

Same, only ever breakfast. We originally wanted this as the celebration meal on Sunday night, but it was booked for the time we wanted. So we switched the Ohana and Mickeys. Now instead of pics with medals it'll be race tips. Good idea!

1/3 (Wed) - Bon Voyage 9:15am - we have this booked in November so I'll let you know how it goes. I'm super excited for this one although I pretend we booked it because kiddo will be excited.

G loved it in May. The characters were really good. Just make sure to ask Eugene what is in his satchel. :rolleyes1

1/4 (Thurs) - Flame Tree BBQ for lunch; Yak and Yeti at 4:30pm - I've still never been to Flame tree but have a Yak n Yeti for November that I may or may not end up keeping. Seems like you get some good fueling with this combo!

Love Flame Tree BBQ. It's a nice quick service. I guess they're adding pre-ordering too which will make it super fast to get the food (in theory). Never been to YnY but it's always been on my to-try list.

1/5 (Fri) - Beaches and Cream 12:30pm; Olivia's 5:30pm - do you like orange drinks? The frozen sunshine is amazing at B&C. Just a pro-tip.

Not an orange fan. Maybe something for G. She always seems to be all over the place.

1/6 (Sat) - Be Our Guest 12:20pm; Roaring Forks for dinner - We are doing both of these as well on our trip. Probably Roaring multiple times since we are staying at the lodge. BOG is a good post-half marathon choice. Because YOU WILL GET TO RUN THE HALF THIS TIME!

Sounds like our dining is pretty N-Sync.

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That HM will happen this time. I haven't run one since Jan 2016 and a solo since Dec 2015. I miss it.

1/7 (Sun) - Ohana 8:15pm - We finish our trip with this one too...but like you know...a few months before ya'll. Never done this one for dinner so I'm kind of hoping my stomach will still have room. I'm thinking post marathon that you'll be ok in that dept.

Never been there. Steph said you can see the fireworks and projection show at MK from there so that's what we're aiming for. G doesn't like fireworks so maybe this will be a good middle ground. Far enough to enjoy but not too loud.

Now I'll sit and wait while all your plans change :)

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My heart was pounding reading about your appraiser. Almost more than when I read race recaps. Ugh!!! I feel your anxiety on that one. Hope it works out.

Never been a fan of the waiting game. So we'll see.

I guess it has been awhile since you had a long run that was that long and you did great.

Thanks!

I wasn't proud of my training performance this week so I'll choose to be proud of yours instead. How's that?
Pretty impressive that you got below pace considering it's hot out.

Just remember that it took me about 7 weeks of training in the heat before things have just started to settle down. That's about 42 runs without the use of the treadmill (because I don't have access to one). It took far longer this year than in year's past, that's for sure. So don't beat yourself up about paces. I was doing that weeks ago. Seeing my HRvPace projection for marathon pace slip further and further. At its peak it was 2:52 (4/29-5/12). The last time I checked (6/4-6/20) it was 3:09. So my marathon projection slipped by 17 minutes based on HRvPace. But that's alright. It's summer and things change. My race isn't in the summer and the temps will drop back down again. Just keep chugging away based on effort and things will pick back up when the temps drop again. Just remember my easy pace has fluctuated by over a min/mile (and technically 90 seconds behind what I'm suppose to be doing). I just ignore it and run what feels like easy.

Still haven't quite got the will power to lose an hour of sleep for the sake of the weather but glad you do. Looks like it helped.

Yea, I'd much rather have that run be easier then a few extra winks. Although that's not what I was saying when the alarm went off. :D

I actually came for the food and feel that all the math has interfered with my ability to look at those giant apple fritter things from last month.

Mmmmmmmm giant fritters....


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