Overheard- made me cringe

I can see people being clueless if they were staying offsite and going to other places too. It's would be pretty hard if you're onsite to not know a little about Fass passes. I like planning even when I was little I would bust out the AAA tour books and the Birmbaum Guide to WDW. The internet makes planning so much easier. Even if you don't want to plan yourself, go to a travel agent then
 
I would looove to hear more families like this,, it just makes the pot of FP's for us planners to share bigger.. IMAGINE if EVERYONE who went planned with FPs.... it would back-fire as getting a FP would be even harder and more PIA as now...
 
As someone else implied... imagine if EVERYONE knew the tips/tricks found here... they wouldn't be very useful at all. As it is too many know this stuff now, look at the crowds for FOP at rope drop... Wonder what it would have been in 2001 when first started reading this board, probably would have been able to ride 3-4 times before got too busy. But guess still a slight advantage as people here know to be there an hour before, instead of at, rope drop.

Wonder what the active membership was back then compared to now. A lot of people were clueless about the internet back then, never mind being able to find and navigate a forum.
 
As someone else implied... imagine if EVERYONE knew the tips/tricks found here... they wouldn't be very useful at all. As it is too many know this stuff now, look at the crowds for FOP at rope drop... Wonder what it would have been in 2001 when first started reading this board, probably would have been able to ride 3-4 times before got too busy. But guess still a slight advantage as people here know to be there an hour before, instead of at, rope drop.

Wonder what the active membership was back then compared to now. A lot of people were clueless about the internet back then, never mind being able to find and navigate a forum.

Very true.

I wonder if there actually are enough opportunities for 3 FP's apiece if everyone who entered the park chose 3? At Epcot I bet not.
 
A colleague at work has gone to WDW twice in the past 2 years. First time was zero FPs the entire trip. I told him the basics of how things worked. Instead of using the FP system the second trip, they hired a florida-based unofficial VIP tour guide (who used SDFPs with a bunch of bands from what I could glean).

I don't get why people, even when told about the FP system, refuse to use it. But it's a problem for Disney, because people go to WDW without FP and swear they will never go back (I wouldn't blame them for not going back if it were not their fault for not getting at least 3 FP a day).
 
My parents first took us in 1988 without any pre-planning. They thought we could drive down from Daytona for the day. I remember them arguing and being slightly miserable. They learned their lesson. We went back five years later with a whole plan. We stayed on property and my mom researched using one of those unofficial guides. I remember her saying the book says we shouldn't go to Magic Kingdom on this particular day. We had a much better time. My parents just had no idea. I bet these people popped in for the day and bought tickets. If you didn't read the pamphlets or maps, you wouldn't automatically know. You wouldn't have received any emails to clue you in. I know it's hard to believe that people would not have heard about the planning involved. However, I work with plenty of people who have no idea. The whole idea of Disney sounds miserable to them and they think I'm crazy.
 
Hi Coral Reef Diver, post #48, I think what ucfknight meant was that the FastPass return time was in about 30 minutes, and the stand-by line was 30-45 minutes. So people ignored the Fast Passes, which meant that they stood in line for time that they could have been doing other things in the park. Probably they did not understand the FastPass return time "thing."
The problem with this analysis is that there are very few things one can do in 25 to 30 minutes especially at Disneyland. Certainly if you are in a situation where you can grab a fast pass with a return time at 3:00 and spend the time between 2:30 and 3:00 riding something else, that would be the logical thing to do. However, if the standby lines at all the other attractions are more than 25 minutes, you might as well get in the standby line for the ride you are at. You end up in the same place at the same time. I think this is why you would see so many people at Disneyland making that election. It really is hard to go do something else in 30 minutes and then return.
 
Most people I know only go to Disney for a day trip and don't book FP+. They usually buy tickets when they arrive. They always seem to have a good time.
 
The last time I went, it was a family trip in 1986 and things were very different. The class ticket ride system was gone and you just got a universal pass (there was only MK and EPCOT) and everybody waited in the same lines unless you were handicapped. And since we were staying off-site and pinching pennies, there was very little planning for us to do. Dad did book us reservations for some sort of country musical review (my memory is very fuzzy about details, but did the Country Jamboree used to be a meal, or did the Woop-Dee-Do Review used to be located in the MK?), but that was the extent of pre-planning for Disney. I do know that I devoured a guide book, though, and had memorized the layouts ahead of time so I knew where everything was and the best routes to reach them.

I can't help but wonder if folks from my generation and older, who had similar experiences, assumed it's still like that. It was certainly a shock to me to learn just how much things had changed in those 30 years and how much more complicated it had become. But all I needed to do was mention my trip to a couple of friends to learn that I had a lot of homework if I wanted my trip to go smoothly. My gut says that anyone who go without plans were warned the same way but deliberately chose not to make anyway, either out of stubbornness ("I like to wing it!") or laziness. So long as they understand what they're in for by doing this and adjust their expectations, I'm sure they can still have a great time. However, again my gut says that most get a rude awakening and complain during and afterward about wait times and being unable to eat where they want.

Just yesterday I had a friend ask me to share some tips on how I'm my plans because she knows someone who wants to plan a surprise trip in 6 months. First of all, I explained that keeping it a surprise would be tough if it's planned properly, and that the surprise would probably be negative without those plans because who wants to sit in long lines all day? I pointed her to this forum, recommended reading the 2017 Unofficial Guide, and also reaching out to an affiliated agent for assistance. That's what I did and now I've got booked reservations to all the Signature restaurants on my list and all the Fast Passes (except FOP because no luck, dang it!). Do those things and you could have a recommended walking path arranged to best take advantage of ride locations, Fast Passes and wait times, and dining locations. The more time and energy you save by avoiding backtracking or dashing about to make inconvenient diners, the more time you'll have to relax and enjoy the moment, which is sort of the point.

WDW is not like Six Flags--it's not an amusement park, it's a THEME park, and it's still the biggest and best in the world. Like Mordor, you don't simply walk in.
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Our last trip I cringed when I overheard a guy say that fastpasses 'cost extra' and another guy ask me where the Harry Potter stuff was. We were both watching our kids at the resort pool. I thought the second guy was being funny. He was dead serious.
 
I guess you missed my point which is... unless you had been there before you would not automatically think that going to a theme park would require any planning at all. Whether we feel that is the wrong attitude to have or not, is totally irrelevant. All of the "possibilities" you mentioned would require a reason to look for the advance knowledge.

A couple of weeks ago I went to a Durham Bulls baseball game with family. It was slightly overcast, but, this is summer in NC so I thought ahead based on experience and brought an umbrella and a towel. Guess which one of us stayed dry and was able to wipe down the seats to dry them off. The rest didn't even think that there was a need to question it. When we left home, the sun was shining.

Except...they have an official webpage detailing fastpasses. They send you emails about it. There are whole guidebooks about Disney.

Missing that stuff isn't due to being a first time guest. Missing that stuff is due to being an idiot who doesn't read their emails, the official website, or use google. Or not even go up to the park information desk around noon the first day and ask about the fast pass queues. I know a lot of travel idiots. But I know more first time travelers who don't fail to plan.
 
I have to think they meant "(X ride) next time we will get FPs" -??
Like, ( my own example) "If we ever attempt NRJ again, we definitely wont try it after FOP at RD, next time we will use FP" (30 minute SB with a 5 yr old and my 8 month old grandson strapped to me, in 85 degrees, not my idea of time well spent) :headache::teeth:
I don't understand how anyone could not know atleast to use FPs, even if not correctly...
 
Yup, my best friend went to Magic Kingdom for the day a while back and she said they waited over an hour for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. I asked her why they didn't try to get a FP for it since you can usually even find those same day. Her response was "yeah, right. No way I'm paying for that." :facepalm:
 
I love reading reviews of Mk on tripadvisor (('m weird that way), and it seems almost everyday someone complains because you have to pay for fp. They love to say Walt would would be rolling over if he knew that the "rich" were given more opportunities. Someone even said they paid extra for $60 for their fp's and there were none available the day of. I've messaged a few of them to let them know they are free, but they never respond.
 
Guy I work with overheard me talking to someone else about Disney. He went off about how he would "never go back to Disney" (his exact words) because you have to pay for FP's and how he tells everyone he hears talking about Disney about it, we work with the public. I told him they were free and he disagreed with me saying he paid. He then mentioned something about having paid for them again and mentions a ride at Universal. So I ask him of he means Universal or Disney. He gives me a confused look. As I dig deeper he had gone to Universal not Disney. He then says well they are both the same and Disney charges too. I told him Disney doesn't. He then says he's going to keep on telling people that Disney charges anyway and he still won't go back to Disney.

Oh man that sounds like a person at my work. She told people for months "Never buy tickets to Disney World before you go! Because then you're stuck with them because they won't refund you!" Backstory is that she tried to take her teenage son and his friends to WDW without even really asking them what they wanted to do. Apparently once he heard about her plans, he begged her to go to Universal instead because WDW is for younger kids. Now, whether I agree with is completely different but I can certainly see teens not being interested. So rather than her learn from her mistake, know what to buy before you buy it, she goes around trashing disney world AND giving people terrible advice. Well done lady.
 
Bizarre. I must have received at least 3 FP related emails. Why on earth did they ignore them?!

They send you emails about it.
You don't get emails if you stay off site. Disney can't read your mind and know that you are coming. Two-thirds of all guests stay off site or are locals and don't stay anywhere at all. So two-thirds of all the people you see in the parks each day got exactly ZERO emails.
 

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