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They want pets at college, that's why.I’m I the only one wondering why so many college kids needs ESAs these days
They want pets at college, that's why.I’m I the only one wondering why so many college kids needs ESAs these days
Some ppl are motivated by $$$. I have not seen one person in this area “prescribe” an ESA who was practicing in a public setting. This is mostly a private practice thing where ppl get paid way more so, of course, they’re more willing to do things like that. Most of us work with clients on coping skills so they can function in society without any crutch.Yes I know your profession and that doesn't mean much in this topic as clearly others in the profession don't agree with you. I'm not out to convince you it's whatev just be careful how you approach the topic you never know how that animal may be helping someone and why they needed help in the first place.
Hey!!! How dare you talk about my emotional support chicken like that!!!Have to agree to disagree as I honestly think the ESA thing is mostly nonsense altogether & I’m a mental health professional.
ETA: imo I think that’s part of the reason they’re not recognized/protected by ADA laws.
What's your point though because you're not saying anything that people don't already know about. I'm responding to your discussion on the ESA a whole but really you do you. (ETA: Sorry not intending to come off rude here, though I realize that's how it may have come off).Some ppl are motivated by $$$. I have not seen one person in this area “prescribe” an ESA who was practicing in a public setting. This is mostly a private practice thing where ppl get paid way more so, of course, they’re more willing to do things like that. Most of us work with clients on coping skills so they can function in society without any crutch.
The discussion with you evolved b/c you felt the need to comment on what was mostly a joke that I made with a pp. I responded to your post about that & here we are.What's your point though because you're not saying anything that people don't already know about. I'm responding to your discussion on the ESA a whole but really you do you. (ETA: Sorry not intending to come off rude here, though I realize that's how it may have come off).
There are people who are in good faith prescribed or strongly suggested by their mental health provider an ESA. Like a variety of things in the mental health field not everyone is going to agree on every method. Just be careful when discussing it with live people, especially given your profession, who may have an ESA and for good reason. It's unfortunate for those people that the others out there take advantage.
mmkkThe discussion with you evolved b/c you felt the need to comment on what was mostly a joke that I made with a pp. I responded to your post about that & here we are.
@mnrose that all sounds very reasonable.
OP, is the roommate unwilling to take 100% responsibility for any damage? I'm not sure if I missed what you said regarding that.
The roommates discussed their concerns with her about noise, damage, cleaning, etc. That's when she said she'd provide ear plugs. She did say she'd be responsible for any damages. DD and the other two roommates felt they needed something in writing so they wrote up a 'Roommate Agreement' and DD took it to student legal services to have it looked over, and they told her it looked good. Then the girl left for winter break without a word to them. They emailed her the agreement, asking her to read it over and sign. No response. Then sent a text asking her to acknowledge that she'd received. She replied, "yeah". Then nothing for two weeks. They texted again early this week and her only reply was "ok". They hope she will stick to her word and sign, but they can't make her.
The roommates discussed their concerns with her about noise, damage, cleaning, etc. That's when she said she'd provide ear plugs. She did say she'd be responsible for any damages. DD and the other two roommates felt they needed something in writing so they wrote up a 'Roommate Agreement' and DD took it to student legal services to have it looked over, and they told her it looked good. Then the girl left for winter break without a word to them. They emailed her the agreement, asking her to read it over and sign. No response. Then sent a text asking her to acknowledge that she'd received. She replied, "yeah". Then nothing for two weeks. They texted again early this week and her only reply was "ok". They hope she will stick to her word and sign, but they can't make her.
Nope. Legally only rental housing and airplanes.Gee I thought ESA had to be accepted anywhere a true service animal.
Exactly.If this person needs an ESA what good is it to her if she has to leave it in a cage while she’s in school and working 2 jobs.
Huskies and Dalmatians suffer from a PR problem. Movies, television and books have romanticized the breed. The reality of these dogs is FAR from what Disney would have you believe. We had a dalmatian when I was in high school. Our vet freaked out when we brought him in for puppy shots, chastising us for buying the dog when we have small children in the house and neighborhood. We had no idea dals were known to be territorial and aggressive (luckily ours wasn't). The vet eventually grew to love our guy. But every dal I've ever known since then was a bit of a monster (have a friend whose dog bit her husbands lip OFF). The huskies I know are hyper, loud, shed-crazy balls of energy.
It's not that complicated. She is part of a joint lease. She can walk away without penalty. The responsibility lies with the remaining roommates to fill the void. The only other option is ALL the roommates agreeing to break the lease and divide the lease break penalty equally, and go their separate ways.
They can't force her out, but they can threaten to leave her high and dry, and she may reconsider this ridiculous plan.
Yes I know your profession and that doesn't mean much in this topic as clearly others in the profession don't agree with you. I'm not out to convince you it's whatev just be careful how you approach the topic you never know how that animal may be helping someone and why they needed help in the first place.
Some ppl are motivated by $$$. I have not seen one person in this area “prescribe” an ESA who was practicing in a public setting. This is mostly a private practice thing where ppl get paid way more so, of course, they’re more willing to do things like that. Most of us work with clients on coping skills so they can function in society without any crutch.
What's your point though because you're not saying anything that people don't already know about. I'm responding to your discussion on the ESA a whole but really you do you. (ETA: Sorry not intending to come off rude here, though I realize that's how it may have come off).
There are people who are in good faith prescribed or strongly suggested by their mental health provider an ESA. Like a variety of things in the mental health field not everyone is going to agree on every method. Just be careful when discussing it with live people, especially given your profession, who may have an ESA and for good reason. It's unfortunate for those people that the others out there take advantage.
A lot of people do get comfort from our pets. But that doesn't equate to helping when it comes all sorts of reasons why people have ESAs. I get it that the concept is hard for some people to grasp or at least separate between the boundary of pet and ESA but that may simply be because we don't suffer from whatever it is that others do that have ESAs (for legit reasons). Or for anyone who does suffer from something they may not gain anything from having an ESA. We're not all the same nor do we react the same. Unfortunately for so many they can only focus on the people who use ESAs in the very wrong way.Well that is the reason why people have pets isn't it, because they give us comfort. So in essence, everyone with a pet has an emotional support animal.
That's really a situation for the roommates to handle. None of us, even the OP, can answer that question and neither can the roommates because they haven't even lived in it yet it's just the idea that is making them balk (not that they don't have a reason to do so for sure). Living with roommates comes with all sorts of stressors. From the roommate that never cleans up, to the one who never does their fair share of the choirs, to the one who lets their significant other just move in, to the one who eats others food, to the one who never pays, etc. I'm not saying one is worse than the other but it's something people run into all the time. And sometimes one makes the decision no matter how unfair they may think it is, they opt to move out than deal with it.In the case of the OP, this one roommate's need for and ESA for her stress has now caused undue stress on the other girls. Who's need is greater in this instance?
Well for one not all roommates would have an issue with this so I can't say that's the responsible t. I don't disagree that there are obvious concerns over what the ESA means for the roommates though. On the topic of she should have waited..that is if we use the presumption she's using the dog as an ESA under false pretenses (which may very well be true) but if she's not using the dog under false pretenses then it's not a "just wait til you move out" type situation. That doesn't mean she couldn't have moved out but that doesn't mean she should have to wait to move out if she truly needed the ESA--that's like telling someone wait 6 months for meds even though you could benefit from them now.f a person feels like they need an ESA, then they should do the responsible thing and not burden others with it. She should have waited until she moved out on her own and not put this on the other roommates.
It's kinda a hot bed topic but there's plenty of posters on the Boards the discuss crate training dogs and keep them in their crates for extended periods of time. I don't personally agree with that but I think some people forget that people do that all the time. For sure I understand the concern but I'm not entirely certain what the roommate will officially be doing because well I'm not the person in question. As far as emotional needs..that's kinda harsh IMO but I think that may be because ESA is not something you necessarily get behind (not that I don't understand) in terms of the concept. I'm a big animal lover so don't think I'm being flippant in this regards. I'm as much thinking about the welfare of the dog as I think a lot of people here.It is also very concerning that she seems to have little care for the actual puppy. With her schedule, the puppy will be neglected. I can't imagine how anyone can put their own emotional needs over the welfare of an animal like that.
That is not at all how it works.
Well to be honest that is no different I'm sure than owners of SAs. You bond with them just the same. You think someone who has a SA for PTSD who has relied upon the SA to be there for them isn't going to feel grief when the SA passes? Or an SA who is there for someone who is battling depression or someone who is autistic and has an SA? An SA is there for a strict purpose but we don't just assume that people feel no grief when they pass. I don't know why we would attribute anything less just because the animal in question is classified as an ESA rather than an SA. It's really the unfortunate reality of life that the animal we may depend on will not be there forever.What I want to know is how people who have an ESA handle it when the dog dies. They don't have the longest life span and if someone uses them as their anchor, how devastating is it when that happens.
Maybe because I have a dear friend with an ESA because she was raped I get it more. She is trying to deal with her emotional issues (which I would never personally describe her situation as she just has emotional issues).Wouldn't it be better to have learned other methods to deal with your emotional issues instead of relying on something that won't always be there? I am truly trying to understand.
Well for one not all roommates would have an issue with this so I can't say that's the responsible t. I don't disagree that there are obvious concerns over what the ESA means for the roommates though. On the topic of she should have waited..that is if we use the presumption she's using the dog as an ESA under false pretenses (which may very well be true) but if she's not using the dog under false pretenses then it's not a "just wait til you move out" type situation. That doesn't mean she couldn't have moved out but that doesn't mean she should have to wait to move out if she truly needed the ESA--that's like telling someone wait 6 months for meds even though you could benefit from them now