If the flattening isn't working is it time to face reality?

[AggieDizzer]

Ahh yes the economy. Much more important than the lives of our loved ones. What will do without the stock market.

Sorry not sorry, I care more about the lives of my best friend, grandparents, and cousins who are at risk than the economy.

Tell that to the single mother who was just let go by the hotel who has employed her for 10 years. Ask her how she's going to feed her children. Or the now-unemployed factory worker who can't support HIS aging parents or grandparents. Or the soon-to-be retiree who just had his savings wiped away.

Look, this thing affects a lot of people in a lot of ways and we are all hurting. I hate to say it but without this "economy" and "stock market" you so readily dismiss, workers won't have health insurance to cover them if they get sick. They won't have benefits to take care of them when they have to take time off. Hospitals won't be able to pay for the supplies they need when they need them. Companies won't be able to manufacture those products and keep supply lines running.

The risk to your best friends, grandparents, and cousins will become even greater if the economy grinds to a halt. Balance, people.

 

[sam_gordon]

Do you have any statistical proof that millions of people would become homeless?

Also, it's been proven that the federal government has been able to provide services and help the American people in ways that it previously said it would not. $1200 checks to every citizen? Waiver of student loan interests? Waiver of mortgage payments & extend loan timelines to accommodate? Would you like to also discuss the $1.5 trillion that was injected into the stock market last week? Wouldn't it have been better if that money was given to the American people so that way we can spend it in at our local businesses and continue to pay our rent and utility bills? If the American people can not pay their bills, then the economy will collapse. But when businesses like Amazon are looking for hand outs, it's insanity. Don't help the big guys, help the little guys.

And we can help the little guys while all non-essentials stay at home and limit the spread and death that COVID-19 is wreaking on this world.

Oh, did you get your check? I haven't gotten mine. And where do you think that money is coming from?

 

[mom2rtk]

May be anecdotal to you, but I haven’t heard from any family or friend or peer in the hospital setting who is saying, “Let’s let this thing loose since the economy is of higher importance.”

And I haven't seen anyone say that here either.

 

[Hikergirl]

And I haven't seen anyone say that here either.

Oh come on now that is surely what they mean though.
Remember we just want us and our buddies to be able to go out for some hot wings

 

[godisney14]

My daughter is a Pharmacist in Virginia. She has people coming in droves wanting to get the vaccine for the Coronavirus (and she explains that there is no such thing but these people heard a rumor that there is a vaccine available) or even to the point of asking her to call their doctor to have him order the malaria drug and Z pack for them. What amazes her is that these same people actually refuse the annual flu shot (that she suggests that everyone gets) because they don't trust the vaccine yet they are willing to inject a coronavirus vaccine (if there was one) that has not even been developed or tested into their arms. She is just amazed at this!

This is why only scientists and healthcare professionals should be making any statement about progress on COVID-19 treatment/prevention.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Ahh yes the economy. Much more important than the lives of our loved ones. What will do without the stock market.

Sorry not sorry, I care more about the lives of my best friend, grandparents, and cousins who are at risk than the economy.

I don’t see how you can realistically separate the two.

 

[hopemax]

Apparently Governor Cuomo said it isn't.

Remember, "today's numbers" are actually telling the story of what happened 2 weeks ago Incubation period, and the time for symptoms to ramp up the point where people are seeking care. By your own admission, the restrictions started 12 days ago, becoming more severe as the days went on. Cuomo's "the numbers are accelerating" is absolutely accurate because 14 days ago, people were going about their business close to normal, and that unfortunately means people infecting people. If we want to know if the restrictions are working we will have to look at the numbers 2 weeks from now. And that won't even entirely tell if they are working, because people could still infect the people in their households.

There is no shortcut here. All we can do is wait (inside of our homes, or practicing social distancing). I know many Americans have the attention span of a gnat (or at least that's what they tell us as to why we can't have long attractions anymore) so this is hard, but we have to just wait.

 

[mom2rtk]

Ahh yes the economy. Much more important than the lives of our loved ones.

Nobody said that. NOBODY. But it needs a seat at the table.

And it's not just about the stock market. For many it's about keeping their homes and having insurance for ongoing medical issues.

 

[Deploraboo]

Yes, just wait. While the economy collapses.

 

[Jennasis]

People need to make up their mind... do they want people to stay home or it's ok to go out (grocery shoppping)?

Stay home and only go out for necessities. Thats what the shelter in place orders are.

 

[Hikergirl]

Remember, "today's numbers" are actually telling the story of what happened 2 weeks ago Incubation period, and the time for symptoms to ramp up the point where people are seeking care. By your own admission, the restrictions started 12 days ago, becoming more severe as the days went on. Cuomo's "the numbers are accelerating" is absolutely accurate because 14 days ago, people were going about their business close to normal, and that unfortunately means people infecting people. If we want to know if the restrictions are working we will have to look at the numbers 2 weeks from now. And that won't even entirely tell if they are working, because people could still infect the people in their households.

There is no shortcut here. All we can do is wait (inside of our homes, or practicing social distancing). I know many Americans have the attention span of a gnat (or at least that's what they tell us as to why we can't have long attractions anymore) so this is hard, but we have to just wait.

But we aren't doing that even during this shelter in place.
People are still going out.

 

[LuvOrlando]

The data so far is showing in the college age group that the overwhelming majority experience no or only mild symptoms. So it would not have been devastating. The schools were more likely closed because the professors and staff would have been affected more.

I know what it says so far but why and is this all there is to it?

Not directed at you - just sort of in general right now it's all about survivability but as we know with Lyme, there are still consequences. It's too new to have any idea if there is an aftermath. Plus, in todays world young age doesn't mean there are no issues. My kids have Asthma, lots do, plus many have Lyme and a whole world of underlying issues that normally don't interfere so maybe the parents don't even bring it up. My kids virtually ignore the asthma thing and this age isn't always reasonable so what happens when these kids get sick? I had to call the colleges to make sure my 2 were on the radar, I'm sure they got flooded. I don't think the college health centers can manage an outbreak like this and there is no way to contain it in a dorm shared with 1-6 roommates - hooking up - careless employers and dining plans with cafeteria dining and group bathrooms - no where to escape. I couldn't sleep at all & think the ONLY reason this group is OK is because of the shut down - did you see Miami- every campus would be hosting idiotic party like its 1999 parties with no parents to say knock it off. No reason these kids can't work from home, its good practice for the real world or what their world is going to be.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Wow, I actually commend him for being part of the high risk category and voicing that reasonable opinion.

Reasonable opinion for himself. Completely unreasonable to assume or suggest other grandparents would, shoukd, or might feel the same way.

The country was shut down because they were thinking the death rate would be 5%. It is not. It's is around 1%. Time to reopen.

Not. Hasn't peaked yet, and I say this as someone going stir-crazy staying in.

 

[sam_gordon]

Stay home and only go out for necessities. Thats what the shelter in place orders are.

Hey now, my fifth of bourbon IS a necessity.

And I'm more than happy to go get takeout for my family (or me) to help restaurants that are obviously struggling.

 

[AggieDizzer]

The first link is from a surgeon writing in the National Review, Not an epidemiologist. Sorry, but the guy is an idiot with an axe to grind. We all know already that, per incident, it is not as lethal as other outbreaks. But it is out of control because people can carry it for so long without detection plus it is a very robust virus. The epidemiologists say it is not going to die out like SARS which was far more lethal. We don't know, at this point, that it's seasonal. it might not be. So that's why it's a pandemic. It is out of control and we have no way to stop it. Honestly, typical shoddy 'journalism' from the National Review.

So you are personally familiar with the author of this article and are aware of this "axe to grind"? Can you please provide me with what, specifically, his axe is, and why his opinion on the matter is not even worthy of examination, regardless of his medical credentials? If his qualifications in the medical field and renown as a surgeon immediately disqualify him? Should only epidemiologists have any say in this? Or are you making a snap judgement based upon the source of the article and your disdain for that particular publication? It would appear to me that someone here has an axe to grind with the National Review. I don't even read that publication but intended only to suggest that there is some debate on the way forward, and maybe - just MAYBE - it isn't locking people in their homes.

 

[RamblingMad]

Tell that to the single mother who was just let go by the hotel who has employed her for 10 years. Ask her how she's going to feed her children. Or the now-unemployed factory worker who can't support HIS aging parents or grandparents. Or the soon-to-be retiree who just had his savings wiped away.

Look, this thing affects a lot of people in a lot of ways and we are all hurting. I hate to say it but without this "economy" and "stock market" you so readily dismiss, workers won't have health insurance to cover them if they get sick. They won't have benefits to take care of them when they have to take time off. Hospitals won't be able to pay for the supplies they need when they need them. Companies won't be able to manufacture those products and keep supply lines running.

The risk to your best friends, grandparents, and cousins will become even greater if the economy grinds to a halt. Balance, people.

You just made the case for nationalized healthcare and universal basic income.

 

[Deploraboo]

I prefer real universal basic income. It was called full employment.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

I am reading the Governor of NY is in near panic. So I am guessing that flattening is not working at least in NY. So I am assuming that will be the nation as a whole. Did I misread?

He is anything but panincking. Watch his news conference from 11:00 a.m. today - excellent command and explanation of what is happening. Watch from 11:30 forward if the hour is too much. And, no, I am not from New York.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Oh come on now that is surely what they mean though.
Remember we just want us and our buddies to be able to go out for some hot wings

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an exaggeration used as a figure of speech: That dog’s so ugly its face could stop a clock.
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hy·per·bo·le
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A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

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[Latin hyperbolē, from Greek huperbolē, excess, from huperballein, to exceed : huper, beyond; see hyper- + ballein, to throw; see gwelə- in Indo-European roots.]
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hyperbole
(haɪˈpɜːbəlɪ)
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(Rhetoric) a deliberate exaggeration used for effect: he embraced her a thousand times.
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1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.” Compare litotes.
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1. an obvious and intentional exaggeration.
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hyperbole
1. The deliberate use of exaggeration in order to create an effect.
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[AggieDizzer]

You just made the case for nationalized healthcare and universal basic income.

Nah, I'm more of a free market kinda guy. I'm not playing along. But any way you slice it, it still ain't free. Sorry.