this is such a sad sick world

[DisneyJamieCA]

My wife and I visited the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC back in 2010. We had reservations for, I think, 10 AM. We thought we would be there about 2 hours. We came out at about 4 o'clock, 6 hours later, completely drained emotionally, and probably physically also. It is something we will never forget. I think it accomplished its goal, educating us and memorializing the victims of an autocrat's hate.

I’ve been twice in my life. Once as a teenager and once about 5 years ago. Both times left me drained and emotionally raw. One of the most powerful experiences of my life.

Which is to show there are way to honor the past. To keep the history. But to do it with the right context and in the right place. None of these statues we’re talking about do that.

 

[bavaria]

My wife and I visited the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC back in 2010. We had reservations for, I think, 10 AM. We thought we would be there about 2 hours. We came out at about 4 o'clock, 6 hours later, completely drained emotionally, and probably physically also. It is something we will never forget. I think it accomplished its goal, educating us and memorializing the victims of an autocrat's hate.

It's interesting to see school groups of teenagers in these type of exhibits. I usually see at least one group of German teens in the Imperial War Museum in London whenever I visit. They are usually proud and chattering when they see the information about the White Rose, and Sophie Scholl, but when they see the devastation of the war they are silent.

We were in Hiroshima recently and surrounded mostly by Japanese. There were people actually vomiting inside the museum, in response to what they saw. My Japanese friends say they have an obligatory visit to Hiroshima and Nagasaki in school, but I don't think that they have the same continued exposure that we have and people seemed really shocked by the images. The museum is very graphic, and there is a large section devoted to the school children who died. It was also interesting to see some Americans very upset with what they saw. Again, it's not as easy as saying 'America = heros, Japanese = villains' when one sees the powerful exhibit and the impact on the ordinary people.

These are not easy things to acknowledge, or to discuss, but it's important that we continue to do so.

 

[bavaria]

Here's another interesting place I have visited. It's quite literally a graveyard for statues and memorials from the communist era.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/memento-park-budapest-hungary/index.html

 

[ramee]

She was depicted on the bottle as a happy servant thrilled to be cooking for her white family. Yessuh massa.

I’ll google this. But I wonder what other jobs were available for POC then? Maybe some were happy and thankful. Or they could have hated their jobs like most people do today. But sucked it up, kissed their families, and whistled on their way to work for the white devil.

I imagine British butlers and maids to be in shame for their lives of servitude? Or proud to have people depend on them?

I was a waitress a couple times. Made money and went home.

 

[Imzadi]

I’ll google this. But I wonder what other jobs were available for POC then? Maybe some were happy and thankful. Or they could have hated their jobs like most people do today. But sucked it up, kissed their families, and whistled on their way to work for the white devil.

I imagine British butlers and maids to be in shame for their lives of servitude? Or proud to have people depend on them?

I was a waitress a couple times. Made money and went home.

There is a difference in a job versus being a slave. For one: a white person never volunteers to be a slave.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Nothing to hide! It's my God given right to express my opinion, just like everyone else on here. And sorry, but I am not hateful, never have been but that's what people like you do when someone has a difference of opinion, start with the insults. It's OK, believe what you want to make yourself feel better. Pray for NYC, it needs it!

Of course it’s your right but doubt if G-d has anything to do with it. I’ve no problem with an informed difference of opinion but your posts here are filled with bad stats, misinformation, etc. I can’t even work up the energy to correct you since I’m laughing too hard.

Please do continue your rant as it’s fascinating seeing how “they” deal with issues.

 

[ramee]

There is a difference in a job versus being a slave. For one: a white person never volunteers to be a slave.

Ah. Well I had to look that up too because I made the connection with Aunt jemima being post civil war. But the history of the mammy figure is rooted in slavery.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

Your post sounds earnest. I think you've honestly been taken by surprise by all of this tumult. It's easy to say that you shouldn't be surprised, but the elements foreshadowing this current climate are sometimes easier to ignore.


I think most good people can agree that indulging and expanding the institution of slavery is our country's original sin. The nations stole the entire lives value from tens of millions of human beings. That's a lot to yada yada past with a "but things happened".


Please keep in mind that most of those statues were not put up before or during the civil war but 100 years later in response to the civil rights movement. Think about that. 100 years after the confederate defeat, confederate states started putting statues up to celebrate the generals of their traitor army. Why would we do this?
Why would we, as a people, allow this back then?
Why should we remain complicit with those dead strangers who came before us in protecting a past that still hurts our contemporary friends?

Call it history, but statues are 99% of the time erected to honor or celebrate their subject.


For years now, quiet and peaceful protests have gone ignored or mischaracterized and punished. Quietly taking a knee, for example, to draw attention to a real injustice has lost people their careers. A right my grandfather died in a German ditch to protect.


It is. It has been for a long time. I would like to believe that the current struggles are a just painful symptom of healing. I don't believe that, but compared to some of the things I have seen people believe, it's not so far flung.

Your post, in my opinion, is exceptional. Regardless of whether or not a reader agrees or disagrees with the points you made, I believe no reader could possibly deny that it was respectful, compassionate, and eloquent. The restraint shown on your part, whether a conscious effort or an involuntary reflex, is something I appreciated. There’s a lot of low-hanging fruit just waiting to be picked in this thread, but you chose to put the work in and reach higher. Thank you.

 

[Kimberlyann11]

NO, it's over $100K and the field itself is approximately $76K

Well if they just renamed the team COW, they'd only have to spend half as much!!!

 

[robinb]

It's interesting to see school groups of teenagers in these type of exhibits. I usually see at least one group of German teens in the Imperial War Museum in London whenever I visit. They are usually proud and chattering when they see the information about the White Rose, and Sophie Scholl, but when they see the devastation of the war they are silent.

We were in Hiroshima recently and surrounded mostly by Japanese. There were people actually vomiting inside the museum, in response to what they saw. My Japanese friends say they have an obligatory visit to Hiroshima and Nagasaki in school, but I don't think that they have the same continued exposure that we have and people seemed really shocked by the images. The museum is very graphic, and there is a large section devoted to the school children who died. It was also interesting to see some Americans very upset with what they saw. Again, it's not as easy as saying 'America = heros, Japanese = villains' when one sees the powerful exhibit and the impact on the ordinary people.

These are not easy things to acknowledge, or to discuss, but it's important that we continue to do so.

We went to Hiroshima with my (then) 8-year old daughter. It terrified her. We had to leave because she could not handle it any longer. It was very, very emotional for all of us.

 

[kandb]

Agreed! I’m going to need a lot of carbs to soak up all this alcohol I had to drink

Me too!!!

 

[kandb]

Make up your mind. Earlier when I posted the stats and said some crime is down you responded with "But shootings are up!!!!" Now when I post about murders being down you say what about other crimes.

You keep mentioning the NYPD "article". Have you actually looked at the stats? ALL felonies and misdemeanors have been on a steady decline since 2000.

Just read the first paragraph and it says it all!! Denial isn't a river in Egypt!

 

[kandb]

Of course it’s your right but doubt if G-d has anything to do with it. I’ve no problem with an informed difference of opinion but your posts here are filled with bad stats, misinformation, etc. I can’t even work up the energy to correct you since I’m laughing too hard.

Please do continue your rant as it’s fascinating seeing how “they” deal with issues.

You're a typical NYC gal, hence your name!!! Not ranting at all and no not giving bad stats unless you think the NYPD is lying, which you probably do!!!

 

[msjprincess]

Just read the first paragraph and it says it all!! Denial isn't a river in Egypt!

So the answer is no, you didn't actually look at any of the statistics.

 

[Searc]

Bless those of you still trying.

 

[Imzadi]

I finally had some chicken wings with bleu cheese dressing!

 

[KBoopaloo]

I’ll google this. But I wonder what other jobs were available for POC then? Maybe some were happy and thankful. Or they could have hated their jobs like most people do today. But sucked it up, kissed their families, and whistled on their way to work for the white devil.

I imagine British butlers and maids to be in shame for their lives of servitude? Or proud to have people depend on them?

I was a waitress a couple times. Made money and went home.

Your lousy waitress job is not a comparison to the work enslaved people did. Good grief.

 

[ramee]

Your lousy waitress job is not a comparison to the work enslaved people did. Good grief.

I had already posted my correction on the situation. But glad someone has all the answers and can feel good about putting others down.

 

[ford family]

It's interesting to see school groups of teenagers in these type of exhibits. I usually see at least one group of German teens in the Imperial War Museum in London whenever I visit. They are usually proud and chattering when they see the information about the White Rose, and Sophie Scholl, but when they see the devastation of the war they are silent.

We were in Hiroshima recently and surrounded mostly by Japanese. There were people actually vomiting inside the museum, in response to what they saw. My Japanese friends say they have an obligatory visit to Hiroshima and Nagasaki in school, but I don't think that they have the same continued exposure that we have and people seemed really shocked by the images. The museum is very graphic, and there is a large section devoted to the school children who died. It was also interesting to see some Americans very upset with what they saw. Again, it's not as easy as saying 'America = heros, Japanese = villains' when one sees the powerful exhibit and the impact on the ordinary people.

These are not easy things to acknowledge, or to discuss, but it's important that we continue to do so.

I agree.

The big difference for me between post WWll Germany and Japan on one hand and post civil war USA on the other was what happened to society in the aftermath.

After WWll the Axis powers were given no choice in accepting the new paradigm with the societal norms of the Allied nations.

In the USA this didn't happen. Although slavery ended it was the beginnings of segregation, a divisive version of apartheid that was still apparent in our lifetime.

Perhaps this "false dawn" explains why the defeated generals remained so well regarded by the populace for such a long time afterwards and why that step change is still being implemented today.

ford family

 

[katmigordon]

Hmmm you know, now that you mention it, why do we do that? Why is the pyramid on our money anyway?

But shouldn't we take the pyramid off the $1 or did we already? Really where is the time that things are okay from. Can someone point it out to me. I think we should take it off the wonder list. As for the flag I do feel there are still feeling for it, and do not see a reason it should be on public grounds or function.