Fastpass return or replacement?

[Pixiedustaway07]

I think the « pay per ride » fast pass sounds way too complicated. I get offering the à la carte option for those who really want to save money and fp maybe just one ride per family, but I would love it to be like Universal where it’s linked to their deluxe resorts, or paying one price to add it for the whole trip.

In comparison I should add that we went to Cedar Point this summer on a Saturday it was an extra $160-200 per person on top of the ticket price to add their Fast Lane pass. The price varies depending on the day of the week and time of year, but when you are spending a bunch already and you only have a day or two to enjoy the park on a busy weekend, it can definitely be worth it.

 

[Disneylover99]

There wasn’t anything unkind in my post. And what I was saying is that they absolutely could tier WDW’s passes to be like Magic Key. Silver can only book 2 days. Gold 3. Platinum 4 etc. But staying onsite removes those limitations. I would bet any Magic Key holder would find their park reservation limits lifted if they were staying at a DL resort for 2, 3, 4 nights etc.

I’d be on board for this.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

I’d be on board for this.

Same! It’s currently the case for WDW APs (for park pass reservations, not FP.) Though I’d think it could be applied similarly. Especially if they adopt a model similar to Universal. Onsite stays, or deluxe onsite stays, get you unlimited FP? Would be nice.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

i'm telling you, if this is what they do at WDW, they're telling us that they dont want those of us that spend less than 10k to visit WDW anymore.

Gonna cost a lot more then 10k for a weeklong trip f it's $70 every time you want to take the family on Buzz Lightyear.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

That's the point. They would like if it worked more like Universal's Express Pass where the people most passionate about a short line can opt in, but you've got to REALLY want it, and most park goers decide to just use the standby system. That being said, I would expect them to play with the prices until they get the optimal ratio of passes vs stand-by.

It's worse then that. With smartphones and data optimization, they can vary the prices from person to person like the freemium (casino) apps on phones do. Hey, we got this family to pay $70 for 4 fastpasses, let's try $80! $80 worked, time for $90! Oh, this family hasn't bought any fastpasses, ok, you can have em for $25. Oh you liked that? Ok it's $30 now. How about $35? No, too much? Ok here's some for $30 again.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

So there’s still a free option to skip the line?

No, more like "book a virtual queue and when your return time come up, wait in the actual queue for an hour."

 

[malba2366]

It's worse then that. With smartphones and data optimization, they can vary the prices from person to person like the freemium (casino) apps on phones do. Hey, we got this family to pay $70 for 4 fastpasses, let's try $80! $80 worked, time for $90! Oh, this family hasn't bought any fastpasses, ok, you can have em for $25. Oh you liked that? Ok it's $30 now. How about $35? No, too much? Ok here's some for $30 again.

It is doubtful they will do this, as people will find out and it will blow up negatively in social media. If they go this route, it will be dynamically priced in the sense that the longer the standby line gets, the higher the price goes.

 

[Eldon32]

Searching for "Fastpass" in the WDW app appears to no longer return a result; interesting.

 

[SkyGuy]

Searching for "Fastpass" in the WDW app appears to no longer return a result; interesting.

This happened (at least) with the last app update. I did mine on July 28th and it disappeared then; however, the “View My Plans - Dining, Hotels, Fast Pass+, and more” is still there.

 

[cdurham1]

Pricing revealed for Paid Fast Pass Service now available at Disneyland Paris

• Autopia $9.50
• Big Thunder Mountain $14
• Buzz Lightyear $18
• Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure $14
• Space Mountain $11
• Star Tours $9.50
• Peter Pan’s Flight $18
• Tower of Terror $18

“Premier Access will officially debut at Disneyland Paris on August 5th.

Guest still have the option to use Standby Pass while visiting Disneyland Paris.

Standby Pass allows guests to spend part of their wait time for select attractions outside of the physical queue line, although it does not provide immediate access to an attraction. This service can be activated during certain periods of the day, subject to availability and dependent on day-to-day needs in the parks. When activated, guests can use the Disneyland Paris App to book a time slot to enter the physical queue line of an attraction and return to stand in the queue at that time.”

If something like this came to WDW it might not be horrible. There’s still the free virtual queue opportunities.

So for about $113/day/person, I can get a fastpass for every ride that is offered? Given that I can choose individual selections, it will come out to less than that, most likely. Idk, I think a lot more people will take advantage of this than we might think.

I just finished up day 8 our trip. In this heat, I would have been pushing the "buy" button more than a few times for my family of 3. In fact, I was contemplating how I could get some friends/family to go in together and do VIP services for a couple of days next trip. So, these a la carte prices sound reasonable to me.

 

[disneypharm]

So for about $113/day/person, I can get a fastpass for every ride that is offered? Given that I can choose individual selections, it will come out to less than that, most likely. Idk, I think a lot more people will take advantage of this than we might think.

I just finished up day 8 our trip. In this heat, I would have been pushing the "buy" button more than a few times for my family of 3. In fact, I was contemplating how I could get some friends/family to go in together and do VIP services for a couple of days next trip. So, these a la carte prices sound reasonable to me.

Wow! really? So for $452 per day for a family of 4, in addition to $500 (per day for 4) they paid for the park tickets, you can ride Autopia, Buzzlight, etc...
LOL! That is $952 per day and $6667 for a week just to enter a park each day and use FPs (once per ride) that used to be free! That price is not including room, DME (no longer free), food, and etc... I don't know about you, but I doubt that will be affordable for that many families.

 

[cdurham1]

Wow! really? So for $452 per day for a family of 4, in addition to $500 (per day for 4) they paid for the park tickets, you can ride Autopia, Buzzlight, etc...
LOL! That is $952 per day and $6667 for a week just to enter a park each day and use FPs (once per ride) that used to be free! That price is not including room, DME (no longer free), food, and etc... I don't know about you, but I doubt that will be affordable for that many families.

So for double the ticket price, we don't have to wait in lines? Yep, there is a market for that.

 

[reliev]

Yea I hate to say it but as a wdw local I probably wouldn't but say I was at Tokyo or Paris Disney and I wanted to maximize my day so I could knock out everything in one day vs 2 on my trip (something like this) id probably do it if it wasn't too big of a hurting.

 

[Karin1984]

Can we get the basics right here?
- Disneyland Paris has introduced a paid system for fastpasses.
- Disneyland Paris hasn't introduced a paid per ride system.
- You pay to skip the line (while, like with FP there can still be a wait, it's not a front of the line pass).
- You do not pay to ride.
- You can still ride all eight FP rides by waiting in line (On busy days this will be a virtual queue with a Standby pass)
- 6 out of 8 FP rides are accessible during EMH. Staying onsite or being a top tier AP holder will give you access to EMH
- The Standby pass is a virtual queue, activated on busy days. You reserve your place via the app.
- Standby pass is only tested the past few weeks with 1 ride.
- With the Standby pass there is still a waiting time.
- Tests showed that waiting time is reduced in comparison to what it was.

And most important keep in mind: Disneyland Paris is a different park than the US parks. Different audience, different vacation styles. We also do not see the huge lines the US parks are seeing now.
Without FP in the summer, the headliners are 30-50 minutes wait, at the moment.

The top tiers AP that grant access to EMH costs about $350 and $530 a year. In the US you can ask $1399 for your top tier AP. People would not spend that money here on an AP. In this you see the difference between the US and Europe. Money is spent differently here.

The paid system for fastpasses is aimed: a. Once-in-a-life-time trippers, b. people with too much money, c. people with special occasions and looking for splurges.


My opinion, out of the 8 rides:
- Tower of Terror, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, Peter Pan, and Autopia would benefit the most of these fastpasses. Except Autopia, all 4 can be accessed during EMH and of course, shorter lines during lunch/dinner time, parade & fire works time, park close.
- A FP for Space Mountain can still give you a 30 minute line. The FP line merges with the regular line inside, you skip the line outside, but most of the queueing indoors you still do.
- Ratatouille also has a single riders line
- Indiana Jones, rarily had a long line. The height restriction is 1.40m, it has a loop, and it's a remote corner. Spending money here is a bad choice.
- Unless summer or Christmas Buzz Lightyear, usually has ok lines, not extremely long. It's a continuous loop, it has a high amount of guests per hour. Spending your money here, doesn't make sense either.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

You can still ride all eight FP rides by waiting in line.

This part isn’t accurate if they activate the “standby pass” system. The rides can fill up with no regular queue option.

 

[Karin1984]

This part isn’t accurate if they activate the “standby pass” system. The rides can fill up with no regular queue option.

I have added a line to clarify that. Thanks!

 

[Lisse24]

This part isn’t accurate if they activate the “standby pass” system. The rides can fill up with no regular queue option.

The reason standby queues seem to fill quickly is because we've only seen virtual line systems when they're activated for a single ride. Once more standby pass lines are activated and guests have to choose which "line" to "stand in," there won't be that problem.

 

[kevtlas]

That's the point. They would like if it worked more like Universal's Express Pass where the people most passionate about a short line can opt in, but you've got to REALLY want it, and most park goers decide to just use the standby system. That being said, I would expect them to play with the prices until they get the optimal ratio of passes vs stand-by.

If they do follow the Universal model or something like it, I hope they keep the part that FP would be included with deluxe resorts!

 

[mercuryvenus]

If they do follow the Universal model or something like it, I hope they keep the part that FP would be included with deluxe resorts!

From the standpoint of wanting to be competitive with Universal’s offerings, they would have to give some benefit to at least deluxe resort guests. And I imagine Disney cares about competing with Universal.

 

[cdurham1]

Can we get the basics right here?
- Disneyland Paris has introduced a paid system for fastpasses.
- Disneyland Paris hasn't introduced a paid per ride system.
- You pay to skip the line (while, like with FP there can still be a wait, it's not a front of the line pass).
- You do not pay to ride.
- You can still ride all eight FP rides by waiting in line (On busy days this will be a virtual queue with a Standby pass)
- 6 out of 8 FP rides are accessible during EMH. Staying onsite or being a top tier AP holder will give you access to EMH
- The Standby pass is a virtual queue, activated on busy days. You reserve your place via the app.
- Standby pass is only tested the past few weeks with 1 ride.
- With the Standby pass there is still a waiting time.
- Tests showed that waiting time is reduced in comparison to what it was.

And most important keep in mind: Disneyland Paris is a different park than the US parks. Different audience, different vacation styles. We also do not see the huge lines the US parks are seeing now.
Without FP in the summer, the headliners are 30-50 minutes wait, at the moment.

The top tiers AP that grant access to EMH costs about $350 and $530 a year. In the US you can ask $1399 for your top tier AP. People would not spend that money here on an AP. In this you see the difference between the US and Europe. Money is spent differently here.

The paid system for fastpasses is aimed: a. Once-in-a-life-time trippers, b. people with too much money, c. people with special occasions and looking for splurges.


My opinion, out of the 8 rides:
- Tower of Terror, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, Peter Pan, and Autopia would benefit the most of these fastpasses. Except Autopia, all 4 can be accessed during EMH and of course, shorter lines during lunch/dinner time, parade & fire works time, park close.
- A FP for Space Mountain can still give you a 30 minute line. The FP line merges with the regular line inside, you skip the line outside, but most of the queueing indoors you still do.
- Ratatouille also has a single riders line
- Indiana Jones, rarily had a long line. The height restriction is 1.40m, it has a loop, and it's a remote corner. Spending money here is a bad choice.
- Unless summer or Christmas Buzz Lightyear, usually has ok lines, not extremely long. It's a continuous loop, it has a high amount of guests per hour. Spending your money here, doesn't make sense either.

For a lot of these reasons, I think a potential paid FP system at WDW will be SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than the Disneyland Paris version. If people think their prices are high, I think we could see some cardiac events when Disney debuts a WDW price list. They are going to price it so that the decision that people will weigh up will be between paid FP's and doing VIP services.