To Pay Off or Not To Pay Off

Pay it all off early or Keep it on the books?

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Carol_

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To Pay Off or Not To Pay Off Loan Debt
That is the question.
Whether ‘tis nobler to be debt-free and take the dip in credit score (mine dropped 10 points after paying off my student loan debt)
When is it ever better to keep the debt?
Does a person inadvertently shoot themselves in the foot by paying off earlier than they had to?
 
i would also consider if paying a loan off would entail significantly depleting my 'liquid emergency fund'. it makes no sense if you have a low interest loan and use all or most of your emergency fund to pay it off only to encounter an emergency and have to enter into a higher interest loan (or use a credit card).

p.s. our credit rating took no hit when we early paid off our mortgage nor any of our other high balance debts.
 
I was raised to pay cash for everything. My parents managed to do that, even paying $2,500 cash for their first home! More of a shack on 5 acres, but they lived within their means. In reality, I couldn't do it, so I have paid off everything as quickly as possible.
I don't understand the obsession with credit scores. Improving credit scores has spawned an entire industry. I'm 65 and never thought about my credit score, I just know it always was high enough to qualify for the lowest loan rates. My bank started putting customers credit scores on their website about 5 years ago, so I do now know what it is. But I never intend to apply for credit again in my life, so I don't care.
I would pay it off. I played the game of trying to figure out tax advantages, and potential investment gains, and to be honest, my debts were low enough that using the money to pay off the debt really didn't cost me much if anything.
 
When is it ever better to keep the debt?
⬆️ Your question ⬆️
What is the interest rate- (could you make more investing)?
ex: why would I payoff my 5 year car loan at 1.49% when I could invest that extra money in an S&P fund while the market is down?
⬆️ THE answer ⬆️

For us, it all depends on interest rates. However, I do understand peace of mind in paying everything off. I know there are many approaches to this, which is what prompted your question. But as President, CEO, and CFO of AlohaNow Household, LLC I have run our budget like a business for years now. And keeping low interest debt on the books while making more in the market has always been the sensical approach for us. Just one view of it!
 
It really depends on the debt. Right now, it makes no sense to pay off our (low interest) mortgage quicker than the standard rate. The same was true on our car loan, which I paid off in August. We carry no credit card debt, and the little debt we have is planned/thought out, if that makes sense.

For example, we were pretty desperate for a fourth car (4, soon to be 5 licensed drivers in the house). DH found a good deal. We COULD have paid cash, but it would have involved selling stuff we didn't want to, so he got a 1.9%, 4-year loan, that we can (and will) pay off early. The dealer did a credit check, and he said he'd never seen a credit score as high as DH's--this is true, only because he didn't run mine! (It's a running joke in our house, my score always runs 5-10 points higher than his--meaningless, except for bragging rights).

We don't worry about credit scores. We also don't churn credit cards-=not that there's anything wrong with it, I just get money anxiety, and would worry about keeping track of everything. I also pay all the bills in our house, so when DH told me what the dealer said, I said, "You're welcome!"

All that said, you need to do what helps you sleep best at night. Some people get anxious over the tiniest bit of debt. Others sleep like a baby, regardless of huge credit card bills and other expensive debts. My DS16 told me a painful story from school last week--a student had her phone taken away in class (wait--it gets EVEN WORSE!). He could hear the conversation--her dad had promised her mom a $30,000 birthday trip to Miami. But, he couldn't pay for it, and now, suddenly, the water to their house has been turned off. Her brother had called her in a panic over the water. I can't imagine being so broke that my water was turned off--AND STILL BE PLANNING A BLOW-OUT BIRTHDAY VACATION! Naturally, my son was focused on the unfairness of the phone being taken away for the duration of class. I told him, "That girl has SO much bigger problems than temporary phone access!"
 
I don't understand the obsession with credit scores. Improving credit scores has spawned an entire industry. I'm 65 and never thought about my credit score, I just know it always was high enough to qualify for the lowest loan rates. My bank started putting customers credit scores on their website about 5 years ago, so I do now know what it is. But I never intend to apply for credit again in my life, so I don't care.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons why people (in general, not just you specifically) need to have good credit scores.

1. It allows you to connect utilities (gas, water, electric) without needing to hand over a cash deposit.

2. It allows you to rent an apartment that is owned by a large company.

3. It makes you a more attractive tenant to a private landlord, and makes it easier to secure a rental.

4. It makes you an attractive client for banks for all types of loans: car, business, personal.

5. If you happen to be a military member who needs a Secret Clearance, a good credit score is essential to obtaining/maintaining it.

6. If you are a private citizen (non military) working for a Government contractor or the DoD in some capacity, who holds a Top Secret Clearance, you need to maintain a high credit score and a pretty immaculate credit profile. Losing your TSC usually means losing your job.

There are probably other things I'm not thinking of, but ignoring your credit score or failing to establish a credit profile can be very limiting in life.
 
It depends on the interest on the debt, usually.

Paying off a low interest loan early (like a mortgage, for example) is usually a very foolish choice.

On the other hand, paying off a loan on a depreciating asset (like a car) early is often the best choice.

Credit card debt is the worst and should be paid off as quickly as possible. Interest rates on credit cards are higher than most people can get in investment returns.
 
There are plenty of legitimate reasons why people (in general, not just you specifically) need to have good credit scores.

1. It allows you to connect utilities (gas, water, electric) without needing to hand over a cash deposit.

2. It allows you to rent an apartment that is owned by a large company.

3. It makes you a more attractive tenant to a private landlord, and makes it easier to secure a rental.

4. It makes you an attractive client for banks for all types of loans: car, business, personal.

5. If you happen to be a military member who needs a Secret Clearance, a good credit score is essential to obtaining/maintaining it.

6. If you are a private citizen (non military) working for a Government contractor or the DoD in some capacity, who holds a Top Secret Clearance, you need to maintain a high credit score and a pretty immaculate credit profile. Losing your TSC usually means losing your job.

There are probably other things I'm not thinking of, but ignoring your credit score or failing to establish a credit profile can be very limiting in life.
All going on without my knowledge apparently.
I did have a credit issue five or six years ago when I went to setup to pay my electric bill online. It wouldn't let me open an online account. I called to find out the issue and apparently when the account was opened in 1980 they neglected to do a credit check and it never got caught until I tried to modify my account by setting up online payments. They overrode the credit check requirement since my 35 year history of paying my bill with them.....by check......was evidence enough I wasn't a deadbeat.
And back in 2003 when credit reporting agencies had to start giving you a free copy of your credit report once a year, that was a hoot. The loan amounts were all right, but very few of the lenders were correct because many of the banks I had loans with are defunct and lenders listed were the companies that bought out the other banks long after I had paid off the loans. I called one, and they said they had no record of me ever having a loan with them and other than the loan amount, and the note it had been paid off, they knew nothing about me!
 
i would also consider if paying a loan off would entail significantly depleting my 'liquid emergency fund'.
If I were young /just starting out, I'd focus equally on paying off debt and building an emergency fund. Once the emergency fund was in place, then I'd double-down on paying off the debt and starting on retirement savings. And, it goes without saying, I'd avoid adding to the debt.
I was raised to pay cash for everything. My parents managed to do that, even paying $2,500 cash for their first home! More of a shack on 5 acres, but they lived within their means. In reality, I couldn't do it, so I have paid off everything as quickly as possible.
I don't understand the obsession with credit scores. Improving credit scores has spawned an entire industry. I'm 65 and never thought about my credit score, I just know it always was high enough to qualify for the lowest loan rates. My bank started putting customers credit scores on their website about 5 years ago, so I do now know what it is. But I never intend to apply for credit again in my life, so I don't care.
I would pay it off. I played the game of trying to figure out tax advantages, and potential investment gains, and to be honest, my debts were low enough that using the money to pay off the debt really didn't cost me much if anything.
I can relate to much of this:
- I wasn't necessarily raised to pay cash, but I was raised not to buy anything I wouldn't be able to pay off at the end of the month. The only exceptions being houses and cars.
- My parents paid $5000 for their first house -- it was a tiny two-bedroom in a really bad neighborhood.
- I never pay any attention to credit scores; instead, I focus on financial stability, which isn't the same thing at all.
All that said, you need to do what helps you sleep best at night.
I grew up in a house that wasn't financially stable, and we were always worried about food, utilities, clothing ... everything. It was an incredibly stressful (and shameful) way to grow up, and I always knew I wanted to live differently as an adult.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons why people (in general, not just you specifically) need to have good credit scores.

1. It allows you to connect utilities (gas, water, electric) without needing to hand over a cash deposit.

2. It allows you to rent an apartment that is owned by a large company.

3. It makes you a more attractive tenant to a private landlord, and makes it easier to secure a rental.

4. It makes you an attractive client for banks for all types of loans: car, business, personal.

5. If you happen to be a military member who needs a Secret Clearance, a good credit score is essential to obtaining/maintaining it.

6. If you are a private citizen (non military) working for a Government contractor or the DoD in some capacity, who holds a Top Secret Clearance, you need to maintain a high credit score and a pretty immaculate credit profile. Losing your TSC usually means losing your job.

There are probably other things I'm not thinking of, but ignoring your credit score or failing to establish a credit profile can be very limiting in life.
I accept that these things are important to young people who are just starting out, but they mean little-to-nothing to me:
- I've been paying utilities since college (that was the late 80s), so I don't need to put down a deposit.
- I am a homeowner and don't foresee renting an apartment /house, but IF I needed to do so, I could easily pay a year's rent in one lump sum. That would make me a pretty attractive client.
- I don't anticipate taking out a loan again, but, if I were to do so, the bank tends to look positively at a paid-for home, a small business, money in their coffers (and having had a banking relationship with the same bank since I was 17).
- I'm retired and may work here or there occasionally, but I'll never look for a clearance of any type.
- Someone might mention insurance. I've been with the same insurance company since I was 16. I think that counts more than my credit rating.

Again, I totally agree that a credit score matters to a young person -- though not nearly as much as working towards financial security -- but it doesn't matter much to me personally.
 
If I were young /just starting out, I'd focus equally on paying off debt and building an emergency fund. Once the emergency fund was in place, then I'd double-down on paying off the debt and starting on retirement savings. And, it goes without saying, I'd avoid adding to the debt.

I can relate to much of this:
- I wasn't necessarily raised to pay cash, but I was raised not to buy anything I wouldn't be able to pay off at the end of the month. The only exceptions being houses and cars.
- My parents paid $5000 for their first house -- it was a tiny two-bedroom in a really bad neighborhood.
- I never pay any attention to credit scores; instead, I focus on financial stability, which isn't the same thing at all.

I grew up in a house that wasn't financially stable, and we were always worried about food, utilities, clothing ... everything. It was an incredibly stressful (and shameful) way to grow up, and I always knew I wanted to live differently as an adult.

I accept that these things are important to young people who are just starting out, but they mean little-to-nothing to me:
- I've been paying utilities since college (that was the late 80s), so I don't need to put down a deposit.
- I am a homeowner and don't foresee renting an apartment /house, but IF I needed to do so, I could easily pay a year's rent in one lump sum. That would make me a pretty attractive client.
- I don't anticipate taking out a loan again, but, if I were to do so, the bank tends to look positively at a paid-for home, a small business, money in their coffers (and having had a banking relationship with the same bank since I was 17).
- I'm retired and may work here or there occasionally, but I'll never look for a clearance of any type.
- Someone might mention insurance. I've been with the same insurance company since I was 16. I think that counts more than my credit rating.

Again, I totally agree that a credit score matters to a young person -- though not nearly as much as working towards financial security -- but it doesn't matter much to me personally.

Not caring about a credit score, in today's society, is a privileged position.

It's not just young people that end up at road blocks due to poor or non existent credit.

And just FYI, pre paying a year's worth of rent is NOT something that makes you an attractive renter. It would be a huge red flag. You know who typically offers to do that? Criminals.
 
Not caring about a credit score, in today's society, is a privileged position.

It's not just young people that end up at road blocks due to poor or non existent credit.

Not sure I agree. Easy credit seems to be what gets borrowers in trouble. People working to get their credit score up so they can borrow more than they really can afford. That sure was the lesson of the 2008 economic collapse.
 
Not sure I agree. Easy credit seems to be what gets borrowers in trouble. People working to get their credit score up so they can borrow more than they really can afford. That sure was the lesson of the 2008 economic collapse.

Uh, no.
 
I voted to pay it off as fast as possible. I've made some dumb mistakes in the past with credit cards and I have finally gotten rid of ALL our debt, starting with credit cards, then car loans, Parent Plus loans, then our mortgage. After being completely debt-free with a paid off home, I have to say... It Feels Great!

Barring some financial catastrophe, I will never, ever go into debt again. With no debt, saving for what you want is so much faster and less stressful.
 
Not caring about a credit score, in today's society, is a privileged position.

It's not just young people that end up at road blocks due to poor or non existent credit.

And just FYI, pre paying a year's worth of rent is NOT something that makes you an attractive renter. It would be a huge red flag. You know who typically offers to do that? Criminals.
Nope, more a result of working hard and making good decisions. Everything I have, I've worked to earn.

Since I own a house, I'm not likely to need to rent -- but when I helped my children rent a college apartment, we got a discount for paying the year's rent in advance. Since my bank deposits show steady deposits from work, it wouldn't be too hard to show I'm not a criminal.
 
I voted to pay it off as fast as possible. I've made some dumb mistakes in the past with credit cards and I have finally gotten rid of ALL our debt, starting with credit cards, then car loans, Parent Plus loans, then our mortgage. After being completely debt-free with a paid off home, I have to say... It Feels Great!

Barring some financial catastrophe, I will never, ever go into debt again. With no debt, saving for what you want is so much faster and less stressful.
Good for you! Yes, it does feel great -- and, yes, saving is so much easier when you're not "behind" with debt.
 
Nope, more a result of working hard and making good decisions. Everything I have, I've worked to earn.

...but when I helped my children rent a college apartment...

Do you not understand the meaning of the word privileged?

And your children needed your help because?

Ah yes, no credit history. How do you think that would have gone had you not had a good credit history?
 
Not sure I agree. Easy credit seems to be what gets borrowers in trouble. People working to get their credit score up so they can borrow more than they really can afford. That sure was the lesson of the 2008 economic collapse.
Big disasters are never the result of one thing -- it's always a combination of several negatives happening at the same time.

Yes, easy credit /undeserved credit was one thing that got people in trouble at that time.
Other components included people buying "more house" than they could afford ... banks giving out subpar mortgages ... bank failures /bailouts ... older people being unable to retired as planned ... thus, jobs not opening up for young people ... more young people borrowing for school. Probably more, but the economy could've handled any one of these things; it was the combination of all of them coming together that caused the economic collapse.
 

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