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A family conundrum. What would you do? Perhaps a vent.

Jangles

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My son is 25. In November he started going out with a woman of a similar age and for his birthday in December she gifted him a 9 day holiday in Kos, (Greek Island) and some experiences …paragliding, wine tasting and a boat trip. To me it seemed too much too soon but I said nothing. Then it turned out that all she had actually purchased were two cheap budget airline flights, which cost her about £80 in total. Still generous but not exactly the gift as described to him. My son lives and works in London and about half his salary goes on rent, utilities, travel to work etc., and although I help him out occasionally (for example buying lunch or dinner when I visit London, or treating him to some clothes and slipping him the odd £50), he largely stands on his own two feet and has to be careful with what is left of his salary. His gf also rents in London and has just finished a Masters degree and relies on her parents and works in bars etc., to finance herself. When I discovered that the gf had not booked an hotel, I gave my son some credit card points I had which paid for their hotel for 7 days. I had enough for all 9 days but his gf wanted them to book an Airbnb for the other two nights when they got to Kos. I also gave him about Euros 200, left over from a trip I had recently taken to Europe. My son saved a bit every month for the trip, eventually putting £400 aside. Then last month he told me that his gf had borrowed £400 from him as she was behind on her rent and her parents wouldn’t help her out any more. When she was paid at the end of March, she paid him back. I asked him how she was going to be able to pay him back, pay her rent etc., and have spending money for the holiday, but he didn’t know (and it wasn’t any of my business). Anyway, they flew to Kos on Sunday night. Today (Wednesday) he telephoned for advice. His gf announced yesterday that she has no money at all to spend during the holiday, but was refusing to allow him to pay for meals out, trips etc and thought that they should fly home, even though that meant buying new return flights and wasting the prepaid hotel room. It turns out that she hasn’t booked any experiences, or has booked them but not paid for them. The hotel is nice, not grand, but nice enough, on the beach in Kos town, and the room has a sea view and balcony, with a table and chairs and a kitchenette and so far they have been catering for themselves, rather than eating out. My son has been buying groceries, but he wants to enjoy the holiday, visit some sites, go for drinks, eat at some local tavernas etc. I suggested that he should offer to finance the rest of the trip and that I would help him out. He said that he thinks he has enough money, so doesn’t need any money from me. The Airbnb they found for the last two nights is only Euros 60 and she is vegan and only eats raw foods, so hardly an expensive date. I also offered to lend him some money to lend to the gf but made it clear to my son that I would view it as his indebtedness to me not hers. When he made both offers to the gf she accused him of being selfish for wanting to continue with the holiday. What? She wants to fly home and organise a bank loan to pay her debts. She flat shares with a couple of other girls and apparently she has fallen behind with her rent , WiFi has been cut off and gas and electric are threatening to cut them off. I suggested to my son that if she wants to return to London he should stay and enjoy the rest of the holiday alone. He had a gap year backpacking in South America, and he is very sociable, so I am sure that he will still have fun. Does her behaviour strike you as odd? Isn’t she being the selfish one? He assures me that the relationship is in a good place. I do feel sorry for her because I am sure it is horrible worrying about debts, but why did she not tell my son of her situation before they left? Or am I missing something and looking at this the wrong way?
 
Oh man, I do not look forward to parenting someone who is dating!

The GF's behavior is completely unacceptable in my mind. You don't fly out without having this conversation first, if for no other reason than changing flights is then going to force added expense when you don't have money to begin with. The lack of communication is relationship ending criteria.

BUT, if he's telling you that the relationship is in a good place despite her behavior, it's not your place to try to convince him otherwise. Unless and until he asks for your input, this is his bad decision to make. Trying to convince him now, when he's halfway through a vacation with this person, I fear is just going to put you at odds with him. 100% be there to support him when he's ready to realize that this is not a good person to be with, or certainly chime in if he asks. For now, it sounds like he's already getting his back up about your interaction (when he said something wasn't your business) and continuing down that path isn't going to work if this isn't something he's ready to hear.
 


sorry but i suspect it's going to be 'i arranged the bank loan but in order to meet my expenses with it i need to economize more and since we already spend so much time together...........' or it may be a more subtle 'since my wi-fi's out and i need to get this bank loan paperwork and other stuff done so we can get the utilities turned back on can i spend a couple nights at your place?'....turns into a couple of weeks....turns into roommate who is not paying anything.

she sounds a bit too much like some opportunists i've known over the years but he's an adult so you can't do anything but maybe be there to help when it likely blows up.
 


I have an adult son and sometimes wish I hadn't minded my own business quite so much. My son does respect my opinion; I should have expressed opinion more often.

If son has an inkling of doubt of his own, the opinion of mom can help in decision-making.
 
Parenting young adults is tough!

Personally, I'd let her fly home alone and enjoy the rest of my vacation. Lots of red flags in this relationship from what you've posted, but (like my young adult children) they have to learn themselves.
I travelled around Europe with a partner in my teens early 20s and I remember being broke and looking at lots of restaurant menus to decide what we could afford to eat (actually find, fun memories), and I am sure sometimes one of us had more spending money then the other, but to travel with nothing seems a step too far. Even booking the trip when she had only known him a month was a bit of a red flag.
 
Sounds like she is trying to create this relationship to match the nice life she had when parents financed her …she is taking advantage of your son . You can not change that without changing your relationship now with your son because you have also made things easy for him in many ways. Unless you want to keep bailing them both out.
It’s probably easier to do this now before something worse happens .
Like she discovers she is pregnant .
 
I laughed through practically the entire post. Not sure if I should feel guilty or not.🤫

THAT was like a comedy hour. And I assure you I am rarely flippant. I am also not without compassion for people's character flaws.


I am with you & all for letting adults be adults. And not getting involved & letting them learn on their own.

But for this one he was phoning for advice. So give him advice..I would say son - boy you have a lot on your plate & some tough decisions to make. But if it was me, I would be enjoying my - insert your favourite swear word 😇 - wonderful vacation. I would be staying put whether she decides to go home.or not. And I certainly would be partaking in all the sites and glorious food surrounding you. Have a wonderful time.
 
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Sounds like she is trying to create this relationship to match the nice life she had when parents financed her …she is taking advantage of your son . You can not change that without changing your relationship now with your son because you have also made things easy for him in many ways. Unless you want to keep bailing them both out.
It’s probably easier to do this now before something worse happens .
Like she discovers she is pregnant .
I don’t feel that I bail him out. I am kind to him because I can be and I want to be, but he has never asked me for money and he doesn’t expect gifts. He is a sensible man, doesn’t have a credit card and has never got into debt. He worked all through Uni, financed his gap year and has never been unemployed. He finds London living expensive and I don’t think there is much left over at the end of the month, but I think that’s quite common for men of his age, just settling into their careers.
He is hoping to spend some time working in Latin America for a major shipping company, so I think that he would be devastated if pregnancy happened.
 

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