Disappointing Adult Cruise On The Dream

I haven’t read through all of the comments but I suggest trying a different ship. We’ve sailed on all 5 and have a Treasure cruise booked for next year. We sailed on the Dream twice when it first came out and enjoyed it. We just sailed her again in February and hated it. Hate is a strong word and we are Disney fanatics and DVC members. I have too many complaints to list here but I don’t plan to ever sail on the Dream again. We love the Fantasy.
 
All these years later and now I find out. That gives it a tie-in to the fabulous tile murals in the bath rooms there (the flamenco and bullfighter) - again, tile as Gaudi would use, along with curves.

Art and architecture lesson ✔️
I learned it on the Art of the Show tour. I had suspicions it was inspired by Gaudi and had them confirmed when the CM mentioned it on the tour. :)
 
Former DCL crew member here!

The bad
1. A low kid count on Dream Class is usually 1100 with the highest I've seen about 1600 (that is ONLY 3-12, does not include 13-17) it's a lot of kids and especially on short cruises we brace ourselves for sea day (I would have about 3 coffees on a sea day 😬)

3. You can always request something but I think they just wanted to let you know that it's possible you wouldn't get it again, not that you can't, just making sure your expectations aren't skewed to think that it's a given.

4. The atrium is utilized more depending on your POC. If it's a sea day you're going to see more meet and greets, musicians, games like Jack Jacks diaper race. If a port is popular (as in most guests choose to get off) they aren't going to schedule us to run an activity that's going to have a low turnout, they'd rather utilize staff at a better time. Nassau we would call Sea Day 2.0 because a significant amount of people choose to stay onboard so they schedule accordingly.

5. Personally I love the district, took me a bit to get used to the Wish with all their scattered bars (I ended up liking it) but like anything it's a to each their own type of thing. Most clubs in my hometown are windowless so it never once occured to me that it might be weird 😆

1. First seating is almost always rushed. My mom prefers it because she likes eating early, I prefer late seating because then I'm a) not stuffed to the brim in the theater and b) it's less rushed cause they don't have to prepare for anyone after me.

2. Some crew members are EXCELLENT at bringing up the survey in a light comedic way and others have yet to find a natural way to it. (On the survey it does ask if you felt pressured to give a high rating, rate it honestly that you did so that they know it's something they need to work on) I totally get it as I have known servers personally so I know what their work experience is like and that scores are more important to them, I know that I could never. (I'm a former YA) I have a lot of patience for housekeeping/servers when I am a guest because I know what their schedule is like and that their privileges are WAY less than what mine were (they can not go to guest areas in their down time, I could go to the shows, the movies, vanellopes, the pools and hot tubs, match your mate etc etc. they are not allowed to) I would not survive one contract in their shoes, I am weak, sorry for my rant I just have mad respect for them. 😝

3. Debarkation. When I left DCL we were doing debarkation by bag tag, they would call out green Tinkerbell on the PA, and green tink was supposed to go. Unfortunately it's a bit like the airport where people go and line up before their turn and it's a mess even though we tried to keep it organized and going smoothly.

I'm shocked that the officer responded that way, that is very unusual and I'm sorry that was your last interaction.

Cabanas being closed is very weird, I wonder if they've been having a low turnout and it's no longer financially beneficial to have it open (they do keep track of things like turnout so maybe they spotted a trend of more
ppl choosing MDR)

If you were to give DCL another chance I would recommend the Magic or the Wonder. They are smaller ships which means less kids (their numbers are more 800-900) it is smaller so you might not see a difference but I certainly did 😝 (also med cruises have a lower kid count as well. Not sure about Alaska, I never did that one but I believe it's similar to the med where it's a smaller kid count) my med cruise was 150 but it was post covid on the Magic, hardly counts. I believe last year's med on the Dream had about 450 kids.
Thanks for the helpful info!
 
I learned it on the Art of the Show tour. I had suspicions it was inspired by Gaudi and had them confirmed when the CM mentioned it on the tour. :)
I finally did that tour on the Fantasy in September - so many interesting tidbits. I don’t think we even got to The District. Or was my brain just overwhelmed, unable to absorb more.

My favorite take- away is the “shadow” painted on the tops of framed artwork.
 
Hey everyone!

First of all, my wife and I are huge Disney fans, happy DVC owners, and don’t have kids. Over the last several years, I’ve read a bunch of enthusiastic reviews of Disney Cruise Line, listened to equally glowing podcasts from podcasters turned travel agents, and watched endless positive YouTube videos on the subject. Having done my homework, I thought it would be fun, prior to a DVC vacation at WDW, to take a five night cruise on the Dream in late April of this year. Alas, our experience failed to match, or even come close, to our expectations.

Having sailed on pretty much all the cruise lines, we’re pretty experienced cruisers. I thought it would be helpful to list some positive and negatives concerning our experience. I’m also genuinely curious if we’re being too critical, or perhaps making unfair judgements. There were, of course, tons of kids and families who were obviously having a great time.

THE GOOD

1. The design of our ship was beautiful. The central atrium is a wonder to behold. The woodwork and attention to detail throughout the ship, as well as all the fun paintings and artwork, made the environment feel really special. Our cabin, a balcony veranda, though small, was clean, well maintained, and nicely designed.

2. Service and friendliness were mostly superlative. Almost every crew member seemed happy to be there, and was always happy to answer questions and help out. Our stateroom attendants were great.

3. Our two ports, Grand Cayman and Castaway Cay, were beautiful and a blast to visit.

4. The shows were fun. Loved the fireworks!

5. Dinner at Palo was delicious. What a nice spot to have a meal!

6. The adult area at the front of the ship was quiet and nice. When it got windy, though, it would close and there was really nowhere else to go. The adult only pool wasn’t really for us because it was crowded and loud.


THE BAD

1. Of course we were prepared for lots of kids, but the main pool area on sea days was almost unbelievably crowded with a solid, monumentally packed together mass of kids and families. This being Disney, it’s probably not a fair criticism, but for us it was really off putting. We stayed away from it.

2. The food in the dining rooms and Cabanas, the buffet, was below average. As I’ve mentioned, we’ve been on almost every cruise line. I don’t think we were wrong to expect better from Disney.

3. My wife and I were lucky to get a table for two for the early seating. But it was made clear to us that this is normally almost impossible, so we shouldn’t ever expect it again. That alone would keep us away in the future. Why was it even listed as a request on the pre cruise app?

4. The atrium, though beautiful, is under utilized. On other cruise lines it’s the lively center of the ship, where something is always happening, and there is fun to be had. On the Dream it seemed like a big, weird dead space, mostly empty during the day except for character meet and greets.

5. The adult bar entertainment area, “The District,” was a series of windowless dark caverns. Weird.

THE UGLY

1. Every meal in the dining rooms was incredibly rushed. Food was delivered almost instantaneously and replaced with the next dish almost immediately after it was finished, so the experience was never particularly pleasant or relaxing. I guess that’s better than waiting forever, as we occasionally have on other lines, but still not optimum.

2. Our waiter and assistant waiter were friendly and competent, which was fine, but didn’t really go out of their way to make the dining experience special. Not great, but no big deal. But on the second to last night of the cruise, they both walked up to the table with stern, concerned expressions and stood there awkwardly. After a long uncomfortable pause, they launched into an long uncomfortable dissertation on the fact that we would be receiving a questionnaire in our state room, and, pretty much, their jobs, well being, and potential contract renewals depended on us giving them all 10s.

We’ve all had this from sales people in other environments, but on a Disney ship, on vacation, in the middle of dinner? For us, this was beyond weird and we really didn’t like it. It made us as uncomfortable as they obviously were. And, of course, we were manipulated into promising them the scores they wanted. Of course this falls on Disney creating a ship board culture where crew members are forced to do this, but still. Guests should not be put in this situation. And it made us wonder how much darkness lies behind the magic.

3. Debarkation. A mad, chaotic, crowded, disorganized nightmare and the worst we’ve ever experienced. The atrium and lower levels were packed with what felt like thousands of people and their luggage, milling about, not knowing what to do, pressing against each other, jostling about. The buffet, Cabanas, was inexplicably closed, unlike any other cruise ship that we’ve ever sailed on, so guests were forced to lug their bags down to breakfast in the dining rooms, leave them indiscriminately piled up outside, then lug them (at least for us) up a deck to wait in an endless, snaking line to disembark. It felt almost apocalyptic. Why would Disney ever allow this to happen??

I actually asked a female crew member, who seemed to have some responsibility, if it was always like this. She snapped, “there are four thousand people on the ship, I think you’ll survive.”

Uh yeah, I guess I’ll survive, and that was the last magical memory my wife and I had interacting with a cast member.

Anyway, that’s my story! But both my wife and I are genuinely curious. Are we overreacting? Are we being too critical? We still have some positive memories from it, and frankly hate to carry away any negativity. And, for what’s it’s worth, we took the Brightline up to Orlando (great experience), and are now having a great time at WDW!

1. The "main" pool deck is the family pool deck, which is designed for the kids. That is why there is a totally separate and typically quiet adult pool area.

2. Food is subjective. The MDRs serve hotel banquet style and quality food- not amazing but also perfectly good. If you eat at the adult restaurants, the food is a higher quality, like what you get at a very nice restaurant on land.

3. I've sailed 11 times within the past 10 years as a party of 1 or 2 on DCL (never concierge) and was able to get a private table every single time. While it isn't guaranteed, it is absolutely not "almost impossible" to do so. It sounds like you had 1st seating, in which it's harder to get a private table (and the dinner is more rushed, as you noted elsewhere, because 1st seating caters to the families with young kids who can't sit through a long meal). 2nd seating dinner is not rushed, and you are more likely to be able to get a private table.

4. Disembarkation is crowded, but I've never seen it be chaotic. Cabanas is indeed open until around 8am on disembarkation day. People do leave their self-carry bags outside the restaurants while they have breakfast, but that doesn't block traffic. Of course, there are lines to disembark, with thousands of passengers leaving the ship in a window of just a few hours.

You mentioned sailing with special status on other mass market lines. That is likely why you experienced fewer lines, etc., on those cruise lines. If you pay for concierge on DCL, you won't have to deal with disembarkation lines, either. If you sail those other lines with no special status and don't buy upcharge meals, etc., you would likely be complaining a lot about them, too, based on some of the preferences you described in your post.
 
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The upstairs portion of the atrium, where there used to be seats and coffee tables has been taken over by the photo sales. What a waste.
There are still couches and coffee tables on the floor directly above the atrium. They are on the opposite side of the ship from the photo sales.
 
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So we went inside looking for a cozy space that was quiet to read and watch the sea go by. There wasn’t any.
On the Dream class ships on the 4th floor above the atrium there are couches and coffee tables next to windows with a view out to sea. On the 4th floor aft area there is one midway area between the interior hallway and the promenade which is quiet and shaded from sun and wind, with lots of seating.

On the Magic class ships on deck 3 in the adult area, there are huge porthole windows with wide, fully cushioned seating, that an adult can easily curl up in, read a book, and watch the ocean go by. You could easily fall asleep in those.
 
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I love DCL but I share many remarks from OP. This doesn't stop me from enjoying cruising Disney, in fact my next sailing starts in just two days.

The food at Cabana's? Let's face it, I have never ever said “I wished I'd be on a Disney cruise so that I could go to Cabana's grab that wonderful <insert name of a dish>”. And this is also true for food in the MDR. Hopefully they do keep the upcharge restaurants in the future, so that we have somewhere decent to eat on board. And please don't get me on the beer selection, Heineken everywhere, holy straw how does that feel like vacation time.

The lobby? True it is somewhat smaller and less magnificent than other lines. Not that it bothers me much. I like the casual atmosphere, and that it's not a place where adults go binge drinking.

The complain about private tables? It's the number one thing I do when I set foot on a Disney cruise, go the restaurant desk and make sure I have a private table. Disney is wasting my precious vacation time in asking me to fill a form with dining requests, and yet not give me any way to make sure they were granted.

Let's add to the list: the preparation for a Disney cruise wastes so much time. Check-in online at the exact correct time to get an early PAT, refresh countless times the dining availabilities to grab better times, etc. There was a time you could go Concierge and that would grant you every fancy request but let's face it, with the added number of concierge rooms, that's no longer the case today. And let's talk about the price of concierge, and compare with other lines, no thank you, I'm not a Japanese worker and can have several weeks of vacation per year so no, I'm not wasting the upcharge just for one cruise.

To add other minor annoyances to the list, the toiletries are not high-end (at least not as much high-end as the price they charge for the cruise), the turndown “chocolates” are notoriously bad, the internet is slow and comes with a charge (while this is free with other lines with the same price), the buffet is only open for a very small period of time, upcharge F&B options are fairly limited during the day (basically all you can pay for is alcohol, and some snacks when/if the pub is open), no afternoon tea (even for a charge)…

However, to be honest, I think some more points are to be given in favor of DCL.

The adult pool area on deck. That's actually being enforced. Other cruise lines might provide “concierge pools” which tend to have fewer children, but not always. Travelling without kids, I like the serenity.

Almost no package for alcohol. Though, given the price of Disney, guests usually have the pockets to get wasted every night if they feel so.

No casino. That's a big plus. And they have really good shows.

Almost no smoking on board. Although I still don't get the DSA of the Magic that makes half of Quiet Cove unusable.

Friendly crew members, with the quality of service you would expect from an American staff.

Lovely music and atmosphere with a retro-chic touch.

Movies on deck. (I'm not a sports person.)

A promenade deck (at least on the older ships…)

(And I'm sure I forgot many items to the list.)
 
@cwis - I finally discovered churro Mickey waffles. I do look forward to them - but they are only once a cruise. And I found POG in the breakfast juice dispensers; nice surprise. That’s usually a Hawaiian treat.
 
Agree with a lot of what you said, but did you try satellite falls at the adult area it's much quieter. Debarkation is always a mess and many times embarkation is too. My experience on other cruise lines has been better. Cabanas being closed is odd, but it does usually close around 0830. Disney is militant about having people out of the rooms by 8am.

Cabanas is Meh. I only have Carnival and Royal to compare too and Royal was better.

Are you overreacting or being too critical? No I don't think so. You are an experienced cruiser and you know what you like and what you don't. This is a DCL forum with mostly cruisers that have only cruised Disney. You will likely get some pushback, and there will be people that get down right offended by your opinion.

I like DCL, but I also like Royal and Carnival and I'll probably like our upcoming NCL cruise. I'm always happy to not be at work.
 
I think this was a win for you. At least a life lesson. Strike DCL off your list of cruise lines.
Enjoy the many other cruise lines that you have had better experiences with.
Cruising is not for me, too many people, Tried it , moved on to other vacation types.
 
@cwis - I finally discovered churro Mickey waffles. I do look forward to them - but they are only once a cruise. And I found POG in the breakfast juice dispensers; nice surprise. That’s usually a Hawaiian treat.
Those churros waffle are good! Not healthy but good. A very good improvement about the regular Mickey waffles IMO. On 6+ days cruises I've been able to locate them twice on the buffet, the first morning being an almost hit, and the last or next to last breakfast usual for a second round.
 
Not hypercritical, it may not be the right line for you.


Yes, the family pools gets unreal, particularly on sea days. Did you try the Adults Only pool? That shouldn't have been anywhere near as bad, and thus you could essentially "forget" about the family pools and the chaos there.


It's usually fairly average, but that is subjective. Unlike a typical restaurant where people come and go at their own time table, with the set dining times food is prepared and served basically banquet style. Did you try either of the adult dining options -- Palo or Remy? Those might be more to your liking if you are looking for upper scale dining.


Agree it is often quiet. But that is where a lot of character meets take place during the day. Since it's a negative to you that the space is underutilized, what activities did you feel were missing that could have taken place here? DCL does a pretty good job of spreading out their activities to various venues across the ship so it isn't a mob scene in one spot.


I think you said you had early dining. It does tend to be a little more rushed than the late because they need to prepare the dining room for the next seating. Also, many families are anxious to get their kids fed and out for evening activities. It's possible your wait staff had several other tables of kids/families; while not "right" they do tend to keep all tables moving at the same pace. In my experience early dining is done in about an hour, no more than 1:15. We've never done late seating but I've heard it is slower paced.


A private table for 2 is harder at the early seating. Late dining is usually much easier to accommodate that request. However, they only have so many tables and need to seat everyone, so sometimes it simply isn't possible to give every party of 2 their own table.


Cabanas should have been open until about 8:15am? It isn't particularly advertised, though. If it wasn't open at all, that is unusual and there must have been a situation that kept it closed. As to luggage -- if you had early dinner you would have been assigned early breakfast, and there should have been time to go back to your stateroom for small bags. Most luggage could have been left out in hallway the night prior to be taken off by DCL, then you claim it in the terminal. There's no need for a lot of luggage to tote around the last morning, just a bag with the last-minute items. You are reunited with all luggage before going through customs, so it's not even like you need to keep a full carry-on like embarkation day.
We kept our bags for express walk off. We were catching the Brightline to Orlando and didn’t want to risk wasting time looking for them at the port, so we had to carry them with us. Over the PA system the night before, we were asked specifically to take all our bags with us once we left the room to go to breakfast. This is really annoying. Clearly, they didn’t care about the resulting chaos, and were more concerned about giving the stateroom attendants more time to turn the rooms around for the next cruise.
 
I think this was a win for you. At least a life lesson. Strike DCL off your list of cruise lines.
Enjoy the many other cruise lines that you have had better experiences with.
Cruising is not for me, too many people, Tried it , moved on to other vacation types.
Yeah, that’s one way of looking at it! I hate to say this, especially as a Disney fan /DVC owner, but this thread has also helped me crystallize my thoughts, which were kind of a negative jumble when we disembarked. Sadly, they’ve gotten even worse as my wife and I process the memory.

The more I think about, since we’re not really into the character meet and greets, as two adults, DCL was inferior in almost every way to the main stream higher end cruise lines we’ve taken in the past, specifically Celebrity, and even Holland America. The food was blah, the buffet for us (which we normally love on other ships) was pretty substandard. Also, super frustrating that it wasn’t even open for dinner, which is no doubt a result of more DCL cheapness. No other line would ever get away with that, and hasn’t to my knowledge even tried. And no crew whatsoever has ever snapped at me on other lines!

The entertainment was good, but it’s good on other lines too, without the long queues.
Great private island, but the other lines are pretty good at that as well.
Not having kids, I think it was a huge mistake, and we should have realized that going in.

I honestly can’t think of a single way it was superior, or even equal to the other lines we’ve tried. Am I missing something? Where was the “Disney Difference?”

I think some of the other cruise lines, such as RCC, especially on their larger ships, which we’ve never tried, are expanding the kids offerings without marginalizing offerings to adults with no kids. Anyway, in its specific kids / family niche, not doubt DCL is the best.

Just not for us.
 
Every person has things that are important and less important to them. Sorry you had what you consider a mediocre experience. Having been on 25 plus Disney cruises we obviously feel the opposite.

The Dream and Fantasy, sister ships, are our favorite ships. We love the adult entertainment areas, the cove pool , the dining rooms, Palo and Remy, etc.

We always do late dining so we never feel rushed and often tell our servers to move us along a little faster. The food is not gourmet unless you do Palo and REMy but it’s good, in our mind. We too have been on many cruise lines including Crystal and silver sea. It’s not the quality of Crystal but it’s not meant to be. But while the food may not be fabulous the service you receive, across the board, is equal and usually superior to service on other cruise lines we have been on.

We have a disabled adult daughter which is the reason we do so much Disney. And I can honestly say that no one handles her and her friend who we usually bring as well as Disney. The kindness, the patience, the feeling of complete safety as they wander the ship together checking out food, characters, ice cream, movies etc is immeasurable. Would we do Disney if we were just adults traveling? Doubtful. We would do more celebrity, crystal, silver sea or regent because the itineraries are more varied.

Getting off the ship is always controlled or noncontrolled chaos. It’s hard to move thousands of people out at the same time you’re preparing for the next influx of passengers. But I guess we are used to it and know what to expect. So we stay in the dining for late breakfast as long as possible and by the time we are ready the crowds have usually subsided.

If you don’t feel Disney is right for you that’s your choice. As long as our daughter wants to do Disney, we will continue to pay whatever it takes.
 
Every person has things that are important and less important to them. Sorry you had what you consider a mediocre experience. Having been on 25 plus Disney cruises we obviously feel the opposite.

The Dream and Fantasy, sister ships, are our favorite ships. We love the adult entertainment areas, the cove pool , the dining rooms, Palo and Remy, etc.

We always do late dining so we never feel rushed and often tell our servers to move us along a little faster. The food is not gourmet unless you do Palo and REMy but it’s good, in our mind. We too have been on many cruise lines including Crystal and silver sea. It’s not the quality of Crystal but it’s not meant to be. But while the food may not be fabulous the service you receive, across the board, is equal and usually superior to service on other cruise lines we have been on.

We have a disabled adult daughter which is the reason we do so much Disney. And I can honestly say that no one handles her and her friend who we usually bring as well as Disney. The kindness, the patience, the feeling of complete safety as they wander the ship together checking out food, characters, ice cream, movies etc is immeasurable. Would we do Disney if we were just adults traveling? Doubtful. We would do more celebrity, crystal, silver sea or regent because the itineraries are more varied.

Getting off the ship is always controlled or noncontrolled chaos. It’s hard to move thousands of people out at the same time you’re preparing for the next influx of passengers. But I guess we are used to it and know what to expect. So we stay in the dining for late breakfast as long as possible and by the time we are ready the crowds have usually subsided.

If you don’t feel Disney is right for you that’s your choice. As long as our daughter wants to do Disney, we will continue to pay whatever it takes.
This makes absolute sense, and just reading your post helps me see how DCL can indeed handle things right.
 
Am I missing something? Where was the “Disney Difference?”
For me the Disney Difference is
  • The Welcome On Board Announcement
  • The Disney music playing in the public areas
  • The Disney themed public areas
  • The Disney themed restaurants
  • The Disney themed stateroom
  • The Disney themed stage shows
  • The Disney themed entertainment
  • The Disney films in the cinema and on the Funnell Vision
  • The Disney merchandise in the shops
  • The Disney customer service
  • The overall Disney themed ship
Thats why I choose DCL over other cruise lines
 
Also Disney fan with DVC. I agreed/found most of your complaints to be fair. As a whole, I think you'd be likely to encounter many of these issues again. So, DCL might not be for you. There are just too many other good options for lower price point.
We've always gone with family and always have a table together. Being with family/friends might make a difference. But, it's not just for families with younger kids. Our last cruise was us plus ages 22,26,35,67. They all, esp. 67 yr old SIL and 35 yr old niece had a blast. But, I've told DH that I think it would be not as fun as a couple, so we stick with Princess/Celebrity/ RCCL if it's just us. We did a HA cruise this winter--we said too boring for us and never again unless it was a crazy great deal and we brought lots of books! My comments below:

THE BAD
1. main pool area on sea days was almost unbelievably crowded.
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Yep. I've never been in a DCL pool! We get chairs in the shade away from pool and that works for us.

2. The food in the dining rooms and Cabanas, the buffet, was below average.
-We'd moderate foodies and view DCL main/buffet comparable or better than Princess.

3. table for two for the early seating...normally almost impossible.
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o idea if this is true. But, just as late dining would be a deal-breaker for us. If this is critical, don't choose DCL, esp. as buffet is not an option at most dinners.

4. The atrium, though beautiful, is under utilized.
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Agreed, just said this to DH on our Princess cruise--DCL doesn't have a fun buzz in atrium (just a space for character meets and baby relay) or fun venues surrounding the atrium like Princess and Celebrity.

THE UGLY
1. Every meal in the dining rooms was incredibly rushed.
-Most complain the opposite. Next time, just let your wait staff know you'd like a more leisurely service.

2. Our waiter and assistant waiter were friendly and competent, which was fine, but didn’t really go out of their way to make the dining experience special...jobs depended on us giving them all 10s.
-Agree, weird (and sad if that's the case). I'd say, "I'm sure you're service will be excellent. I have heard how responsive the wait staff is on Disney."

4. Debarkation. A mad, chaotic, crowded, disorganized nightmare. The buffet, Cabanas, was inexplicably closed.
-We've had this on other cruselines. We eat earlier and leave bags in room and get them by "all out time." Our eat later and have them next to us at buffet--but have never kept bags for express walk off.

5. The adult bar entertainment area, “The District,” was a series of windowless dark caverns. Weird.
-Our group thought it was really cool and fun. Again, maybe because of being a group. Thinking about it, Princess/Celebrity/RCCL lounges/bars have a more vibrant "vibe," which I'd likely want as a couple.-we can enjoy a nice glass of wine as a couple at home.
 
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“Disney Difference?”
I don't think there is a difference when it comes to rooms or food, service, the ship in general or destinations. I think Disney is on the same level as other mainstream cruiselines.

I just like Disney theming and entertainment. That makes why I chose Disney over others. But without that, I could chose any other cruiseline. Would probably decide more based on itinerary.
 

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