The Tomorrowland Terrace... ...which is now known as Cosmic Ray's
OH MY GOD!!! Is that Cosmic Ray??? I swear I thought he was talking about the place in EPCOT!!! See!! I STILL call it Tomorrowland Terrace (home of Michael Iceberg!) to my kids (who now know it by that name)! If I had known, a history lesson would have taken place! I hate what they have done to it. And I hate that no imagination whatsoever has gone into that place in thirty years! Anyway, enough ranting
Well, regardless of how Cosmic Ray's is categorized, I don't think we can say it's immersive.
No it's not!! Pretty sad these people let it fall from the grand concept is was and into this shameful state!! Pretty sad indeed!
Pecos Bill's is a nicely themed fast food restaurant. There is some detail, and definitely an old west feeling. It has fast food prices, and fast food service. Cinderella's is a nicely themed "sit-down" restaurant. There is more detail than at Pecos,
I was right with you until that last little bit. You know, "more detail". I really don't think so. More elegant perhaps, but that's what the theme calls for. But more detail? I really do disagree. And I invoke my new standards (really it was my old one its just that I never was able to put it into words before). The MOVIE FEEL standard. Cause AV is 100% correct. It's the feeling that you're walking into the set of a movie. Pecos Bill's is a western set. Cinderella's is a fantasy period piece. The same!!
I've always said that an "A" ticket ride and an "E" ticket ride were virtually the same. Yes, we all like "E" tickets better than "A". But the concept was the same, universally. (Boy the arguments that caused!!) But now I can put that concept, that feeling if you will, into words. And I've always said that amenities for the resorts shouldn't matter either. I mistakenly thought transportation should be included, but upon further reflection it is but a small piece of the "Disney Standard" picture. I even said amenities shouldn't matter in this very thread. But I had nothing more tangible than a feeling to back that up.
Your point about them both being Disney quality is a good one.
Thanks. Bear with me for a moment. I do have a point and maybe you'll even agree with it.
But they are most certainly different categories of restaurants, and the level of immersiveness varies between them. Why? Not every guest wants Cinderella's at every meal. Sometimes, they just want fast food. With Pecos, it is an option, Disney style.
I agree with 90% of that paragraph and yet feel I have to dismiss the entire thing because of one very important point. And you may think that I'm just playing with semantics, but I think that this is the very essence of the subject.
You said immersiveness. That the immersiveness was different. On that I strongly disagree. Yes, the differences are too apparent to name. Elegant vs. wild west. Table service vs. self serve. Fine dining vs. fast food. On and on, the differences mount. But in order to live up to the Disney Standard, the immersive level MUST remain an equal (or as near as possible). So what are the differences? Ahhhh! It finally came to me. Amenities!! Yes! The things that don't enter into a Disney quality or standard or philosophy or whatever else you want to call it argument!
So, I thank you for bring the question to the forefront of my thought. You forced me to think about it in a new way. And AV capped it all with his old time subtle movie set thing. He, of course, hit the nail on the head. I always knew what I liked about it, but could never put a name on it. It was the 'feel' you had when you drove up to the Golf Resort and stepped into the lobby that made it Disney!!! Add a couple of Disney CMs and it is suddenly unimportant how you get to the MK! The resort automatically falls within the philosophy the same way Dumbo and Peco Bill's falls into it.
And that's the problem, as I see it, with the current direction of Disney lately. And of course that includes the resorts. Which is why WL makes my list and the GF just barely makes it. That's why Dixie Landings and even Port Orleans (to a certain extent) makes my list, but some of the others
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Subjective. You bet! But then again feelings always are. So is great art or literature. I like to think of it in terms of someone getting it or not getting it. Clearly almost everyone on these boards get it! They may not know how to voice it (I sure didn't), but they know it. Conversely it is also apparent that Ei$ner doesn't get it. And he never did. Otherwise we wouldn't see Disney® running rampant.
Is this making more sense now, or have I confused the issue even further?