kiddo76
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Making abortion illegal or legal has no effect on the total number of abortions performed in the world. Making abortion legal dramaticallyreduces maternal morbidity and mortality.
Making abortion illegal or legal has no effect on the total number of abortions performed in the world. Making abortion legal dramaticallyreduces maternal morbidity and mortality.
I am confused, why in the world should a man feel discriminated for using a pink hammer.
luvsJack, I think that you might be one of those people who believe that if things don't happen in your little world, that they don't happen anywhere.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nfronts-protesters-planned-parenthood/589174/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-abortion-clinics-face-surge-of-trespassing-and-blockades/
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...7276A6887122B082ED417276A6887122B08&FORM=VIRE
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...240217DE480C40120E2D240217DE480C&&FORM=VDRVRV
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...98C81DBD56A7EBBD46CF98C81DBD56A7&&FORM=VDRVRV
I was one of those women who had to march past the protestors on my way into PP, at 16, to get birth control.
I was one of those women who had to march past the protestors on my way into PP, at the age of 21, to have an abortion.
I was one of those women who had to march past the protestors on my way into PP, from the age of 30 to 35 (ish) to escort frightened and angry young women into the clinics for whatever reason they were there.
I don't have the right to tell you to cut your hair, lose 20 pounds, get botox, use an IUD instead of the rhythm method, have your extra 11th toe removed, or any thing else. You don't have the right to tell me what to do with my body. Until you are living in my skin, you have zero business telling me what to do.
You must be aware that this statistic does not necessarily indicate "from birth". The older the child gets, the less likely they are to be adopted.
Because he didn't get to choose which hammer to use?
So would it be ok to kill one of these unwanted humans in the delivery room or is it only ok to do it in the womb.
I honestly can't believe it's still going on, but I do agree it's been an incredible read and I've learned a lot from reading all the replies.And ‘round and ‘round we go.
Thank you to those who have shared their stories and can have a logical, respectful conversation.
Here's another policy ... the so called "gag rule." Anti-choice celebrate every time the gag rule gets re-established, however multiple studies show that it actually increases rates of abortion. When the rule is in place, women in Africa are up to three times more likely to have an abortion. So if you support someone who enacts the gag rule, you are directly increasing the abortion rate - or "getting behind killing it" as you put it.
It’s pro life, not anti choice. I know it’s hard for pro choice to accept they are actually pro death and want to gloss it over.
So do you care to address the comment itself that the gag rule you likely support leads a woman to be 3x more likely to abort? That doesn't sound very pro-life to me, so you're right, I have a hard time calling it that.
Alabama has horrible education rates and very high infant mortality rates.I don't know much about the states that are passing anti-abortion legislation, but I wonder how many of them support pro-family policies like paid family/maternity leave, paid sick leave, increasing minimum wages, childcare subsidies, etc. If you truly want all women, including those who are impoverished, to have more children, then these states should be at the forefront of making sure all women and children are well cared for.
And this is just my personal opinion, but I believe we would be further along with pro-family policies in the workplace if women weren't underrepresented in CEO positions.
Okarmus said she has heard many stories of schools using crude examples to enforce abstinence in teens. Those who had sex before marriage were illustrated as chewed gum or a glass of murky water. In one class, Okarmus said students were asked to pick petals off a rose as it was passed around class. The picked-apart rose was supposed to represent a "used" person, she said.
Happened to a colleague of mine.. Believe me her abortion was not a "choice". If she had a choice she would have chosen a safe preganancy with a healthy viable child. Both options were not on the table. What she went through was hell. And to think a committee full of men have the right to force other woman to deliver a dead baby while at the same time put your own life in danger but baffles and frightens me.One of the things that is getting lost in these discussions is that there are many woman who do not want to abort. The pregnancy is a very wanted pregnancy but do to factors related to health and other things it is the best decision (even though it is the most heartbreaking/horrifying/difficult) decision that person will ever have to make. This decision is only to be made by the woman and her medical team.
Interestingly enough, due to how party lines fall with regard to these issues, most people who are pro-life (anti-abortion) are also pro death penalty and pro war. Meanwhile, most people who are pro-choice are also more likely to be against the death penalty and not pro war.It’s pro life, not anti choice. I know it’s hard for pro choice to accept they are actually pro death and want to gloss it over.
1. How much harder does it need to be? One has to walk through protestors (at many clinics), being yelled at and ridiculed for their choice. One has to read a packet of information on what the abortion entails, and in many states (IDK how many), have to return to the clinic 24 hours later so that the information has had a chance to sink in. One is strapped to a table (at least ankles, but I've heard of thighs as well), given medication to numb (but not block all sensation), and then one waits. After, one is helped to stand, given instructions on what to do, and then is escorted out of the building, back into that crowd of protestors, who are now even more vicious in their comments. There is pain...physical and emotional and mental. An abortion is not something to take lightly. But it's utter crud that people are allowed to harass other people that way outside a medical clinic; there's no mandatory 24 hour waiting period to get an IUD or a tooth pulled or breast augmentation surgery; only for an abortion.
2. Yeah, let's give free birth control! I'm all for that. But when the young girl goes to the clinic above to pick up those pills or get their shot, they have to wade through those protestors, and they are just as vicious to those girls getting BCP as they are with those getting an abortion. After all, how can they tell whose who? Most women getting an abortion are not getting one when they are showing a pregnancy, so how can you tell who is just getting BCP and who is getting an abortion? You can't. So they harass everyone. And the government keeps removing funding for those free birth control clinics, and women/children care clinics, and forget sex education...the old men in charge want it to be abstinance only. Do you really think that a 16 year old boy or girl will say "oh hey, I can't have sex until I married because old man says so"? Nope, they will do it anyways, but without the information that a condom can prevent an STD or that no BC is 100% effective.
ETA: Sometimes there are videos involved in the process. I forgot to mention those.
3. Those babies grow up into toddlers, who still need homes. Where are the people adopting them? Those toddlers grow up into children, who still need homes. Where are the people adopting them? Those children grow up to be teenagers, who still need homes. Where are the people adopting them? 100,000 kids in an adoptable system, but how many really get adopted? And those that aren't able to be adopted? Where are the people helping to raise them?
The entire system is broken. And again, I'll say to you, my uterus, my business.
If 20 couples are applying to adopt each baby, how many babies are ending up staying in foster care? The average time for a child to be in foster care is 3 years. So that growing up in foster care isn't the norm. Many children are in foster care because of something their parents have done. Look at those 400,000 and tell me, how many should have died? How many of them would they mother have made that choice? Being a drug addict when your child is 7 doesn't mean you didn't want and love the baby when it was born. Foster care and abortion are not hand in hand necessarily.
We have several clinics that give away birth control. None of them have anyone outside protesting. No one outside the Planned Parenthood clinic either. So that isn't the case everywhere.
Same with your version of sex ed. Not like that everywhere.
The numbers in public foster care don't tell anywhere near the whole story.
Unfortunately it's not at all uncommon for babies to be in foster care from birth. To say that they are easily adopted is woefully ill informed. Because the goal of family reunification is always paramount, most cases go on for several years for a myriad of complex reasons that wouldn't begin to be adequately discussed in conversation here.
ETA: Even when parental rights are voluntarily relinquished there is a waiting period in place for appellate process, despite the fact that there is a provision within the voluntary relinquishment that states reversal is barred. Most terminations of rights are involuntary and the waiting period for the appeals process to be completed adds a significant amount of time before children are deemed available for adoption placement.