Full Vaccination Required Ages 5+ Starting 1/13/22

[Davey Jones II]

I wish they would institute this policy for their parks, as well. Our local Six Flags park requires proof of vaccination. Why not Disney? We might cancel our trip next year if the Covid situation in Florida isn't good. I'm sure we're not the only ones.

 

[Kwami]

I wish they would institute this policy for their parks, as well. Our local Six Flags park requires proof of vaccination. Why not Disney? We might cancel our trip next year if the Covid situation in Florida isn't good. I'm sure we're not the only ones.

Disney World can't require vaccines to enter because of Florida law. The only reason the cruise ships are getting away with it so far is because the requirements are really coming from elsewhere (e.g. The Bahamas) and because there's a court order allowing NCL to require vaccines, so the others just kind of went along with it. I'm hopeful that the vaccine requirements last as long as they make sense without political interference, but who knows?

 

[Purplejewel]

We're in a similar boat - been fully paid and rescheduling since June of 2020. Our cruise June 22 is now in serious jeopardy.

I remember reading somewhere that the 125%FCC HAS to be used by September, 2022. Can anyone confirm?

My husband called Disney Vacation Club today (We used DVC Points to book two cruises in March/April) and was told that the 125% FCC we received for those two cruises when prior cruises were cancelled by Disney has to be used by September of 2022 but we need to move the cruises farther out than that. He is calling Disney Cruise Line tomorrow to see if there is any way we can book farther out than that. Not very hopeful for the answer though.

 

[Kwami]

Disney already has a long list of alcohol tasting events on DCL. They already have lounges and nightclubs and they could expand the 21 and up requirement easily. They could expand an adult non-alcoholic menu as there are plenty of adults who don't drink.

Oh, I wish! Disney (and I guess a lot of others) seem to think that "adult" means "alcohol". It's really tiresome for those of us that don't drink. We almost always end up paying the same price as drinkers, too, as if water or Coke costs the same as wine or whatever. Bah!

I would love non-alcoholic, adults-only tasting events on the ships.

 

[HopperFan]

Oh, I wish! Disney (and I guess a lot of others) seem to think that "adult" means "alcohol". It's really tiresome for those of us that don't drink. We almost always end up paying the same price as drinkers, too, as if water or Coke costs the same as wine or whatever. Bah!

I would love non-alcoholic, adults-only tasting events on the ships.

Like I said we've gotten the Beverage Package on RCI and LOVE getting the specialty non-alcoholic drinks. My DS is an adult but disabled so he doesn't drink alcohol. He loved getting virgin drinks with us, smoothies etc. He got to where he'd pull out his seapass and get a shirley temple or other fancy drinks. There is a median where it's not alcohol but it's still special, not just a soda on ice. He and I were just at WDW and we went to Oga's Cantina. We both got a specialty non-alcoholic drink - it was very good. There are so many great ways to make a cruise Disney more adult friendly, 21 and over but a wide range of drink options that are fancy without the alcohol. And if they offer Beverage Packages, like you say, everyone pays the same, they still make their money but there are great options for guest.

 

[lorenni]

3 weeks apart -
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-can...vaccine-in-children-5-to-11-years-of-age.html

NACI formally recommended at least 8 weeks .

 

[cvjw]

I wish they would institute this policy for their parks, as well. Our local Six Flags park requires proof of vaccination. Why not Disney? We might cancel our trip next year if the Covid situation in Florida isn't good. I'm sure we're not the only ones.

Not sure where your local six flags is, but the vaccination requirements must be due to your state, and not six flags corporate. My local six flags is wide open. No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine requirements. Disney world is in Florida - there won’t be any vaccine requirements.

 

[HiStitch626]

Not sure where your local six flags is, but the vaccination requirements must be due to your state, and not six flags corporate. My local six flags is wide open. No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine requirements. Disney world is in Florida - there won’t be any vaccine requirements.

I agree that it must be local. Neither Texas Six Flags has any limitations.

 

[n2mm]

I’m booked on a February cruise and a May cruise so got 2 emails. no problem for us And our grandkids. My youngest grandson (6) got his #1 shot this week, but he’s not cruising. My daughter is hoping some restrictions are lifted while onboard in February. With this news, my older daughter may cruise again. I did notice in my february cruise group, only a couple of families canceled, but a few are having international complications or turning 5 timing issues. I would love to see some cruise discounts for AP holders and DVC members.

 

[DCLMP]

Disagree - lots not needed.

MANY people cruise other lines and never step foot in the casino, myself included. There is no need for casinos.

They could offer drink packages, I've bought on half my cruises but haven't on half my cruises. Each person does the math. The nice part about those packages is they include fresh squeezed juice, smoothies, specialty coffees, bottled water .... not all involves alcohol but would have appeal. BUT they don't have to offer the packages, I remember the day they didn't exist. DCL would do just fine without them. Disney adults already pay crazy prices to drink in parks.

Disney already has a long list of alcohol tasting events on DCL. They already have lounges and nightclubs and they could expand the 21 and up requirement easily. They could expand an adult non-alcoholic menu as there are plenty of adults who don't drink.

Disney already has adult only pools, relaxation area and spa.

Disney already has plenty of areas designed for adults such as bars, lounges, nightclubs that they could limit to adults during particular hours.

Disney has been advertising their cruises to families, and they are apparently loved by many. But there is no reason they couldn't amp up the adult only areas, the adult entertainment say 10 pm on and market to the Disney adults. There are plenty who likely haven't looked because they have been made to believe by others they are only for younger families. My DH is one who was told it was about character meets and character meals, nonstop Disney in your face.

Disney's whole organization, marketing, product structure is changing under the new leadership - who clearly is income focused, no matter what the impact to the individual consumer. DCL has a real opportunity to pull in a large market in this country which can make up for losing some international customers and those who won't vaccinate their kids. And honestly their ships would only need change ups of their offerings in their already existing hard structure. Cost would be acceptable for the potential of a whole new big target market, with money to spend.

I get the younger families might not like this idea, but as we see with all things Disney ... what will generate the most income with the lowest investment is what they like, AND this is one I think could work out well - fill ships.

Disney would have to reinvent themselves and lower their prices to be similar to what other cruiselines offer. Disney has a niche and that’s families that want clean family entertainment and activities. It’s why they get away with charging triple. Disney gets ripped to shreads on other forums for their ridiculous prices.
Whatever “this” is is temporary. I don’t see DCL changing their business model to become an adult cruiselines just because people won’t get their kids vaccinated. Someday this will be over and DCL will go right back to what they do better than anyone else.

 

[HopperFan]

Disney would have to reinvent themselves and lower their prices to be similar to what other cruiselines offer. Disney has a niche and that’s families that want clean family entertainment and activities. It’s why they get away with charging triple. Disney gets ripped to shreads on other forums for their ridiculous prices.
Whatever “this” is is temporary. I don’t see DCL changing their business model to become an adult cruiselines just because people won’t get their kids vaccinated. Someday this will be over and DCL will go right back to what they do better than anyone else.

I'm not why you keep interpreting what I am saying as "adult cruiseline" as if I'm talking about adult entertainment, wet t-shirt contests and unclean activities. My mind and your mind are in two different places.

There are LOTS AND LOTS of Disney ADULTS. They grew up going to Disney and still go, they are adults who love Disney and have no children, they enjoy Disney musicals, the appreciate the quality of the Disney product, the dining experiences and more. They have APs and travel to the parks often, they might be an untapped market.

I am talking about taking the existing product and enhancing it with a few changes to appeal to more adults - no reinventing anything. Disney adults like Disney but would also appreciate if a cruise had perhaps some more mature shows after say 10 pm, had a few lounges that were age restricted after say 6 pm. I'm not talking about people looking to get sloppy drunk - just enjoying a Disney themed experience with a bit more adult experiences; like the wine tastings etc. without children.

Someday is great ..... but it matters that they are all running in the red right now, that their international business is about to be crushed a bit (and they made that choice), that they will lose some US families. Disney has actively made these moves on land, no reason they can't modify slightly on sea.

It's about being profitable and they'll do whatever they need to do for long term. They have already made a decision right now to eliminate many of their young guests .... what will they do to attract more guests to replace them?

 

[PrincessShmoo]

would also appreciate if a cruise had perhaps some more mature shows after say 10 pm,

We've been on cruise lines that had "family" entertainment and "adult" entertainment options. For us - the adult stuff was just too raunchy. I don't want to see that on Disney, even for adult only shows.

had a few lounges that were age restricted after say 6 pm.

There are 18 and over restrictions on various lounges onboard. Granted, not all, but they are there.

like the wine tastings etc. without children.

I've never seen children in wine/etc tastings.

 

[Cheburashka]

My son's neurologist recommended that he not get the covid vaccine based on his medical history. I understand the precautions during the pandemic but I do hope someday the vaccine won't be a requirement to cruise or else we will never get to do one.

I think the requirement will be around for a couple of years, but probably not indefinitely.

 

[HopperFan]

We've been on cruise lines that had "family" entertainment and "adult" entertainment options. For us - the adult stuff was just too raunchy. I don't want to see that on Disney, even for adult only shows.

I guess most folks think if it's an adult only event or an offering that is geared for adults, it must be "raunchy" ... kinda makes me sad that is how folks think.

 

[Kwami]

I guess most folks think if it's an adult only event or an offering that is geared for adults, it must be "raunchy" ... kinda makes me sad that is how folks think.

Or alcohol. Raunchy and alcohol are "adult" to too many entertainment companies. It's the lazy way.

 

[HopperFan]

Or alcohol. Raunchy and alcohol are "adult" to too many entertainment companies. It's the lazy way.

Exactly! Disney can absolutely create an environment that works with without stooping low as others imagine.

I'm not talking about a raunchy comedian in the later hours, I'm talking about a next level show ... Disney does make R movies, they are a multi-faceted company. They can step it up a bit. I would love a late evening adult only show that is a musical type show; maybe like Cabaret or even Chicago, Producers or A Chorus Line style.

Is there anything wrong with upping the number of bars that restrict age after a certain time? I mean by evening I don't think kids need to be in bars. I'm not talking about for a drinking contest or beer pong, I'm talking about adults spending a classy evening out knowing there aren't kids running around. It isn't unreasonable. Trader Sam's has restrictive hours.

I've been on cruises where I've had no alcohol. I'd still like to sit among other adults and enjoy a fancy virgin drink is a cool environment. Is that wrong? Just like families have access to all kinds of kids clubs and kids activities, I'd like to have access with an onboard Trader Sam's or Oga's Cantina with other Disney adults. I'm not sure why this is so wrong, I'm literally talking about them taking things they already do and add to cruises ... as I think it will make the cruises more attractive to a wider base who love Disney.

 

[Cheburashka]

There are LOTS AND LOTS of Disney ADULTS.... They have already made a decision right now to eliminate many of their young guests .... what will they do to attract more guests to replace them?

I cruised last month and did not see lots and lots of childless adults. And I actively looked, because I was an adult sailing without my child for the first time. And I've sailed on 6 other DCL cruises and seen a similar pattern: mostly families. There were a small number of adults without children, but the large majority of adults were there with their children or grandchildren. I don't think childless adults is the best demographic for DCL to try to aggressively market to- it's not their core audience. I'm sure you see some more childless adults on the longer and more exotic itineraries, but for DCL's bread & butter Bahamian & Caribbean cruises (the vast majority of their cruises), it's a very heavily family-dominated experience.

I'm an elementary school teacher (in a red state, btw) and I see a lot of kids getting vaccinated. I don't think the child vaccine requirement is going to noticeably deprive DCL of their core demographic: families with kids. The more financially comfortable families who can afford to cruise with DCL are the ones more statistically likely to get their kids vaccinated, as well.

 

[HopperFan]

I cruised last month and did not see lots and lots of childless adults. And I actively looked, because I was an adult sailing without my child. And I've sailed on 6 other DCL cruises and seen a similar pattern. There were a small number of us, but the large majority of adults were there with their children or grandchildren. I don't think childless adults is the best demographic for DCL to try to aggressively market to.

I'm an elementary school teacher (in a red state, btw) and I see a lot of kids getting vaccinated. I don't think the child vaccine requirement is going to noticeably deprive DCL of their core demographic: families with kids. The more affluent families who can afford to cruise with DCL are the ones more likely to get their kids vaccinated, as well.

And I think that is partly my point - Disney has marketed to families with younger kids playing up all the kids clubs etc. and with their empty ships and now eliminating a market - they might need to look at the next group to market to and a logical group is the Disney Adults, just like the parks have.

I wish I thought the vaccine among kids was going to be successful. I live is a very very affluent area, and unless the schools require it, numbers will likely stay low. These folks will just travel elsewhere. Even on here you see the folks saying they are cancelling.

We'll see how this all plays out, as a stockholder I want full ships ... how will they do that to stop the bleed?

 

[Cheburashka]

And I think that is partly my point - Disney has marketed to families with younger kids playing up all the kids clubs etc. and with their empty ships and now eliminating a market - they might need to look at the next group to market to and a logical group is the Disney Adults, just like the parks have.

I wish I thought the vaccine among kids was going to be successful. I live is a very very affluent area, and unless the schools require it, numbers will likely stay low. These folks will just travel elsewhere. Even on here you see the folks saying they are cancelling.

We'll see how this all plays out, as a stockholder I want full ships ... how will they do that to stop the bleed?

We'll just have to agree to disagree, because as I stated above, I don't think their market is going anywhere. If you're right, I guess I can look forward to being able to cruise over school holidays (as a teacher, those are also my holidays) without having to pay twice as much as those who cruise when school is in. Oh, boy! If only I believed that...

 

[DCLMP]

I guess most folks think if it's an adult only event or an offering that is geared for adults, it must be "raunchy" ... kinda makes me sad that is how folks think.

No that’s not at all what I was thinking. Disney makes most of the entertainment something that kids would enjoy. Like Frozen, Aladan, and such. I enjoy the musicals on Royal more such as Mama Mia and Greece. I’m not sure a five year old could sit through those. I think people on these forums overestimate Disney’s appeal. They are barely a blip in the cruise industry.