There is a reason they can't sell FPs right now: there isn't enough capacity.
well over the next decade we will see, disney springs, avatar, and poly DVC for sure. They are investing a large amount of money but not in all of the areas people on the disboards would like. They are investing in ways that they will get big profits. Disney springs shopping, entertainment, and dining means money steady for a long time. Avatar a new land in AK, new nighttime shows and entertainment, as well as a nighttime safari big money for disney in the short and long term. DVC means big money for 50 years at least. There are two parks I don't see disney investing in for big projects that would be MK and Epcot. AK is first but DHS will have to get something done within the next ten years that park has very similar attendance to AK. Also I see disney continuing to add DVC after the poly opens in 2015. What the OP is saying makes sense I think MK could get pay for more FP right now but the other three parks just don't have enough. With that being said I don't see disney adding a pay for more thing this year at least. I'm sure disney is looking into it tho.I wish I could believe Disney will actually invest enough money in the next 10 years to change that situation. Doubtful. Your example mentioned Epcot. What are these 2-3 additional "E" ticket attractions they are building to dramatically increase capacity? That said, I really don't see capacity being as large of an issue as you make it out to be. The simplest solution would be to just cap the number of add-ons they sell each day. That's what Universal does with its Express Pass. The current FP+ system certainly has enough capacity that they could sell...say...3 extra FPs per day to the first 5000 guests who buy. *IF* paying for FPs is in the cards, Disney would jump at that opportunity in a heartbeat rather than waiting 10 years and investing $2 billion on new attractions.
I'm with you 100%The issue is not "capacity"...it's inventory. Lets face it...wdw has rested on laurels and not made an attempt to maintain attractions that... Well..."attract"... since about 2000. And now when they give everyone a portal to go and book what they have...it shows in brutal fashion. Is anyone not embarrassed at the fastpass+ sites for studios, ak, and most especially EPCOT? I'm embarrassed for them and for me for paying for it. They feel nothing will change the latter. Not a safe bet. I'm no expert... But it doesn't feel right. For every step they take forward... They take one back... And the whole place slides back/ allows other entertainment the opportunity to look better through the looking glass. I sure as hell am not paying $50 a day extra to skip the lines for things I've done 100 times over. That's not the experience that I have invested in... And it's borderline theft. That's not "a good deal", "magic", or even "reasonable"... It's simply a bad producer/consumer relationship titled completely to one side.
There is a reason they can't sell FPs right now: there isn't enough capacity.
Think about it, if they sold an unlimited FP option what would Epcot be like? Everyone who paid for unlimited FP would be in line for either TT or Soarin'. Currently Disney can control how many people are allowed to enter the FP line, but the only way they could do that if they sold FPs is if they limited how many FP they sold. And how mad would people be if they couldn't buy FPs because it was sold out, and then they had to stand in line like a loser as all the people who bought FP passed them by?
FPs can't be for sale unless Disney can schedule them. And they can't schedule an unlimited FP option (unless the unlimited option allowed you to schedule one per hour or something). Ride Capacity is the issue.
That's why I believe it will take a decade for Disney to sell FP+ slots. They must add more ride capacity for good rides before they can even try to sell FPs. Right now there just aren't enough FP slots available.
The issue is not "capacity"...it's inventory.
Lets face it...wdw has rested on laurels and not made an attempt to maintain attractions that... Well..."attract"... since about 2000.
And now when they give everyone a portal to go and book what they have...it shows in brutal fashion.
Is anyone not embarrassed at the fastpass+ sites for studios, ak, and most especially EPCOT?
I'm embarrassed for them and for me for paying for it. They feel nothing will change the latter. Not a safe bet.
I'm no expert... But it doesn't feel right. For every step they take forward... They take one back... And the whole place slides back/ allows other entertainment the opportunity to look better through the looking glass.
I sure as hell am not paying $50 a day extra to skip the lines for things I've done 100 times over. That's not the experience that I have invested in... And it's borderline theft.
That's not "a good deal", "magic", or even "reasonable"...
It's simply a bad producer/consumer relationship titled completely to one side.
The issue is not "capacity"...it's inventory.
Lets face it...wdw has rested on laurels and not made an attempt to maintain attractions that... Well..."attract"... since about 2000.
And now when they give everyone a portal to go and book what they have...it shows in brutal fashion.
Is anyone not embarrassed at the fastpass+ sites for studios, ak, and most especially EPCOT?
I'm embarrassed for them and for me for paying for it. They feel nothing will change the latter. Not a safe bet.
I'm no expert... But it doesn't feel right. For every step they take forward... They take one back... And the whole place slides back/ allows other entertainment the opportunity to look better through the looking glass.
I sure as hell am not paying $50 a day extra to skip the lines for things I've done 100 times over. That's not the experience that I have invested in... And it's borderline theft.
That's not "a good deal", "magic", or even "reasonable"...
It's simply a bad producer/consumer relationship titled completely to one side.
I am no expert or historian, but wasn't Toy Story Mania built recently? That draws quite a bit! What I am seeing is the lack of a number of headliner attractions. However, when a new attraction opens, WOW! Toy Story Mania is that type of ride for me. The real WOW factor ride is RSR in DCA. You talk about an attraction! Then you can also talk about lines and wait times for stand by and FP-. I am no FP+ lover by any means, but if there is an attraction that needs a FP+ type booking, it would by RSR. I would have loved to have Reserved an ride time early for RSR. I would have waited for rope drop, use Wide Right stand by manuver, and then come back later at my pre arranged time.
good point I've never understood why some people go nuts for toy story mania. If you think about it it's just buzz from tomorrow land with some better affects and what not. Buzz the majority of the time is no longer than a 10 minute wait. They both are games where you sit in a car with some sort of shooter and you try to get points by playing the game(s). One has a 10 minute wait and the other has 60+ minute wait. And in Disneyland it doesn't seem to be as popular as it is here they don't experience constant 60 minute waits over there as in WDW.Good question... And the answer is generally "no" Toy story opened in 2008...that's not recent...Disney will try to sucker you Into thinking that...and that is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. They are grinding what they have down into the ground because they are not investing enough... Some, but not enough. There new developments are being stretched out over 5+ years. That's so insane it must be deliberate. It's actual much easier to build these now than 1950-2000...as they readily admit. Fabrication is computer aided/controlled. But they can't throw up the mine train without taking about 2 years longer than big thunder mountain? Come on These Disney parks...as Walt Disney said...we're designed never to be finished. They are organic...they have to continue to grow/evolve. That is the only way they justify their costs and continue to stand alone as first class. They simply are not doing this anymore. They have a couple of suits in charge now who talk a good game...but they are working on the fringes...like an elaborate rearrangement of fantasyland...and allowing the core to decay. That is the general direction and it's starting to really show the warts. Toy story:.. Also...is really just a solid b/c ride. Not somekind of heavy hitter. The long lines are more indicative of the characters and a lack of really much else to do than anything...not that it's somekind of wonderful. Men in Black over at universal is actually a better ride.. With lesser theming...that opened in 2000 with no fanfare...with a more interesting track layout, rider control, and animatronics. But that ride doesn't have to be the backbone of the park. The fact that toy story does is a really sad Indictment... My opinion.
good point I've never understood why some people go nuts for toy story mania.
The issue is not "capacity"...it's inventory.
Lets face it...wdw has rested on laurels and not made an attempt to maintain attractions that... Well..."attract"... since about 2000.
Because there's LITERALLY nothing else to do for the under-10 crowd in all of HS other than Dis Jr Live on Stage.
I have a 2 year old and 4 year old. In January we went to WDW. We spent 2 hours at HS. We met Sofia and Jake and then watched Dis Jr and then left. The park is horrible for the younger set.
The issue is not "capacity"...it's inventory.
Lets face it...wdw has rested on laurels and not made an attempt to maintain attractions that... Well..."attract"... since about 2000.
And now when they give everyone a portal to go and book what they have...it shows in brutal fashion.
Is anyone not embarrassed at the fastpass+ sites for studios, ak, and most especially EPCOT?
I'm embarrassed for them and for me for paying for it. They feel nothing will change the latter. Not a safe bet.
I'm no expert... But it doesn't feel right. For every step they take forward... They take one back... And the whole place slides back/ allows other entertainment the opportunity to look better through the looking glass.
I sure as hell am not paying $50 a day extra to skip the lines for things I've done 100 times over. That's not the experience that I have invested in... And it's borderline theft.
That's not "a good deal", "magic", or even "reasonable"...
It's simply a bad producer/consumer relationship titled completely to one side.
I don't believe the problem goes back quite that far.
In roughly 2003-2005 they added Philharmagic, Stitch's Great Escape, Soarin, Mission Space, Lights, Motors, Action and Everest. Then from approx 2008-2010 we saw Toy Story Mania, Turtle Talk, Laugh Floor, American Idol, Seas with Nemo, Nemo Musical, 3 Caballeros. The latter isn't the most spellbinding list but individually they do help add new experiences--not every attraction is going to be a $300 million E-Ticket.
And most of the additions above were either legitimate expansions or a significant upgrade over their predecessor (i.e. "Millionaire" and Timekeeper replaced by TSM and Laugh Floor.)
The problem has been the last 3-4 years during which the only real addition has been the underwhelming Fantasyland expansion. And with Avatar still 3 years away, at best we're only halfway through a significant dry spell.
The list of FastPass attractions didn't look any more impressive in the late-90s before TSM, Everest, Soarin, Mission Space and others.
Biggest issue I have with WDW is that they seem to have forgotten how to spend <$100 million on a modest attraction, in conjunction with larger-scale projects. Instead of relying on these $500+ Million dollar mega-expansions which take 4 years to complete, they should be investing in a steadier stream of smaller additions to each of the parks. The only change to Hollywood Studios in the last 3 years has been the Star Tours renovation.
If they announced an expansion to DHS tomorrow, it would be 2017 before anything sees the light of day.
All good points! When looking at your comments about the mega expansions (see bolded area), what do you think about Carsland and WOC in DCA? I have to admit I loved both and RSR is fantastic! When Disney was building Carsland and WOC, I don't think they were investing much at WDW. Now with Avatar it looks like DLR area will have to take a back seat.