Universal v. Disney, fresh thoughts in my mind

havoc315

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I just returned from July 4th weekend at Universal, and I wanted to get out my thoughts while they were fresh.

- Universal feels like the little brother trying to compete with and outdo his big brother. So many attractions felt like a deliberate attempt to take a Disney ride and "outdo" it. Everything was just slightly more intense or glitzy.

- Crowds were MUCH lower than I expected. Being July 4th weekend, I was scared of the potential lines. But at least before 11 am, even popular rides had low lines, with or without the unlimited express pass. Then lines got low again at reasonable times in the evening. A 25 minute wait for Gringotts at 9pm, for example. Disney E-tickets are not 25 minutes at 9pm..

- Dining was a totally different experience. I don't understand this at all. Disney, practically every restaurant seems to always be full, needing reservations weeks if not months in advance. On the other hand, seemed you could get into any restaurant at any time at Universal. You could get a table at Emerils, right on City Walk outside both parks, at any time. We got immediately seated at Cowfish at about 1pm on July 4th!

- The size of the property and closeness between everything makes life so much easier. Part of the reason Disney takes at least 4 or 5 days to do "right" is because everything is so spread out. Lots of 20-30 minute bus rides. In contrast, "park hopping" is fantastic at Universal.... with about a 3 minute walk from 1 park to the other, or hopping on the Hogwarts Express. City Walk immediately outside the parks, instead of a long bus ride away like Disney Springs. The hotels being a 5-10 minute water taxi from the parks, instead of an intricate system of buses, water taxis, monorails.

- Especially if you get express pass, Universal is MUCH more flexible than Disney. As mentioned above, you can eat almost anywhere even without dining reservations. You can easily bounce between parks. You don't need to book FPs 30-60 days in advance. The lines at most rides are manageable enough that you don't need a detailed touring plan.

- Express pass versus Fast pass: For the most part, Express Pass is better. Fastpass is a FAKE advantage. By giving every single guest 3 fastpasses per day, you're essentially giving them a short cut on 3 rides, but making all their other ride times longer. In the end, you're breaking even as if fastpasses never existed in the first place. So yes, Universal is less socialist -- You need to pay for express pass, either buying the pass or staying on property at a deluxe hotel. But by limiting it, it becomes a REAL advantage as opposed to a fake advantage. And it also keeps most of the standby lines pretty reasonable. Even during the super busy July 4th weekend, I don't recall any standby lines ever going over an hour.
On the other hand, it was rare that the express pass really saved a whole lot of time. Before about 10:30 am, most rides that took Express Pass were virtually walk-on anyway. And when rides did get long, the Express Pass was often still 15-20 minutes. Still, that may have been a reduction of 50 minutes down to 20. But it wasn't quite as much as a "walk on" as a fastpass in most cases.

-The Wizarding World of Harry Potter kicks Disney's butt. Disney World has absolutely nothing on that level. Between the 2 main rides plus the connecting train, and all the amazing detail that goes into Hogsmeade and Daigon Alley, including the wand show at Ollivanders....
I love that Daigon Alley isn't even labelled at Universal.. no signs... You have to go to "London" and sneak into the unmarked alley which suddenly opens up into a huge world. It is truly AMAZING. Maybe Disney will reach this level of rich theming with Avatar or Star Wars land.
But while Disney is known for its detailed theming, Disney seems lightyears behind Wizarding World right now.

-The attractions are much more family friendly and timeless at Disney, where it felt like Universal is taking everything up a notch (for good and bad). Jurassic Park River Adventure felt like Jungle Cruise... the first half. Then everything goes "wrong" and it becomes a scare-ride ending in a huge water drop. Shrek 4D felt like Muppets 4D, except that the entire room is shaking and jolting with Shrek. Each coaster as Universal seems bigger and faster and twistier than the coasters at Disney.
MIB was similar to Buzz Lightyear, but with scarier aliens and a ride vehicle that twists and spins a whole lot more. Height requirements are higher at universal.
For better or worse, all the newer attractions at Universal seem to be totally movie-ride simulations. So where Soarin in a gentle simulation of gliding over parts of the world, all the move simulations at Universal are jolting you in wild directions. I generally enjoyed the simulations, but they did become repetitive and a bit boring. Spiderman, Transformers, Simpsons, both Harry Pottery rides, kept using the same tricks.

-Disney takes care of you in a more seamless fashion. Magic Express picks you up, delivers you to your hotel. Your baggage is taken directly to your hotel. You have your magic bands, which is all you need. Though it wasn't a huge deal, it was kinda annoying that you had to carry 3 different passes at Universal. At check in at the hotel, get your room key. Then go to a kiosk to get a paper ticket. Then another kiosk to get a paper express pass. Then figure out which piece of paper you need at which time within the parks.

-If you know what you want to do, you can effectively get through all of Universal in 2 days. Part of that, is simply that it is only 2 parks located right next to each other. But I didn't feel it has a whole lot less than Disney World. Disney World just stretches their attractions between more parks. DHS is down to really only having a handful of attractions for most people. Animal Kingdom is still a half-day park until they open Avatar.

-As I said above, Disney is more suited for the entire family, all ages, all genders. And Disney is definitely more "girl friendly" with its heavy focus on princesses. Universal felt more teenage boy friendly (including the teenage boy that continues to live within 20-50 year old men). Instead of Anna and Elsa, I saw a Betty Boop meet and greet, with most of the meet and greets being superheros, robots, etc. Grandma and Grandpa can ride Peter Pan, Pirates of the Caribbean and Small World, but I don't think they could handle the Mummy, Gringotts and Spiderman.

I was wondering, if I would find Disney or Universal to be better. In the end, I can only conclude that despite lots of overlapping similarities, they are just very different experiences, with differents pros and cons.
 
Can't say one is better than the other as I spend money and stay onsite at both of them

There are good rides and perks with Each of the theme parks

Glad you enjoyed your time at the darkside
Nice you shared your thoughts with us!
 
- Dining was a totally different experience. I don't understand this at all. Disney, practically every restaurant seems to always be full, needing reservations weeks if not months in advance. On the other hand, seemed you could get into any restaurant at any time at Universal. You could get a table at Emerils, right on City Walk outside both parks, at any time. We got immediately seated at Cowfish at about 1pm on July 4th!

You can thank the Disney dining plan for this. Disney heavily promotes the dining plan and a lot of guests purchase it. With credits to burn, they're making reservations. And it's only worse when the free dining promotion is going on. Universal has a dining plan, but I'd say most people don't even know about it or know how it works. It's not promoted like Disney's is, and to my knowledge they don't have a free dining promo.
 
You can thank the Disney dining plan for this. Disney heavily promotes the dining plan and a lot of guests purchase it. With credits to burn, they're making reservations. And it's only worse when the free dining promotion is going on. Universal has a dining plan, but I'd say most people don't even know about it or know how it works. It's not promoted like Disney's is, and to my knowledge they don't have a free dining promo.

I think it's also that Universal has far fewer onsite guests. They have a lot of locals and day visitors. When you're just there for 1 day, you aren't worrying about a nice long dinner.

Still, I was shocked by just how empty the restaurants were.
 


Thanks for the perspective. Its really seems objective. Not having been to Disney in so long I really wanted to go and just do a day trip there. I showed my oldest boy a youtube video walk through of Magic Kindom and he was like "mom why would I want to go there"? This year, I did the same thing and he said that the park seemed to favor "girl things". So again this year we will do Universal. Since I have a 3 year old I was willing to go to Disney so that the little one can enjoy more rides and such but I certainly do not want to wast money going to place like Disney if they don't LOVE it. Good news is that the youngest is almost 40 inches so now he can go on more rides (albeit some like Kong are not likely appropriate for him). I think eventually we might hit Disney once Star Wars land is done and IF they are still into Star Wars by then. For now if they don't feel like they are missing out at Disney its win win for me and my wallet. I love Harry Potter land, the hotels are great and while things can get crowded its not like my experiences at Disney. Even back when i was a kids all i remember about Disney is waiting in long lines staring at adult's bums.
 
I think it's also that Universal has far fewer onsite guests. They have a lot of locals and day visitors. When you're just there for 1 day, you aren't worrying about a nice long dinner.

Still, I was shocked by just how empty the restaurants were.
shhhhh.........
We don't want that secret to get out.


lol
 
FWIW? THIS gramma and grampa don't like Peter Pan or IASW, too slow and boring.
We love Gringotts, Mummy, and all the other thrill rides at Universal. Absolutely agree with you that they have outdone Disney with WWOHP at both parks. Absolutely amazing. Never stayed on property before, but it is a big possibility this time. Loved your report!
 


OP you almost lost me at your 2nd sentence. I thought this would be yet another thread by a 1st time U visitor pitting the two parks against each other with overall result that U is the lesser park in all things.

Jmho but July 4th weekend is crazy anywhere and may have skewed your results.

Glad to see you post in detailed, fashion. Don't agree with many of your comments (especially as to the U coasters resembling Disney's mild coasters) but at least you state your rationale vs just slamming U because it's not 'like' WDW :thumbsup2
 
OP you almost lost me at your 2nd sentence. I thought this would be yet another thread by a 1st time U visitor pitting the two parks against each other with overall result that U is the lesser park in all things.

Jmho but July 4th weekend is crazy anywhere and may have skewed your results.

Glad to see you post in detailed, fashion. Don't agree with many of your comments (especially as to the U coasters resembling Disney's mild coasters) but at least you state your rationale vs just slamming U because it's not 'like' WDW :thumbsup2

Thank you for your response.... But where did I say that the Universal Coasters resemble Disney's coasters?
This was what I said about the coasters:
"Each coaster as Universal seems bigger and faster and twistier than the coasters at Disney. "

I'm not a coaster person... but in terms of coasters, that's an area where I prefer Disney. Disney's coasters are generally not wild and crazy, but are very very extensively themed -- Big Thunder Mountain, Everest. The Universal coasters seem wilder, bigger, crazier, but generally lacking much theming. (What's "Hulk" about the Hulk-coaster other than being green?)

So I don't think the coasters resemble each other at all... they are massively different. The Universal coasters are much more "thrilling" while the Disney coasters are milder, with more elaborate theming.
 
This was a really excellent review of both, I thought. having always gone to Disney in the past, next year we are going to Universal for the first time. Your review really is helpful because from everything we have seen online, you seem totally on target. Now, I haven't been there yet, so my opinion probably doesn't mean much..... but I guess it's a good reinforcement to read that while Disney is awesome, Universal is ALSO awesome and kind of kicks it up a notch. Kind of like Emeril hit the park with BAM ! I for one am SOOO looking forward to everything at Universal.....I'm kind of giddy with excitement over it. Thanks for sharing your experience... it was absolutely helpful!!! :flower1:
 
From going every 4th of July week and still here now, this 4th has been very quiet. I have never seen it this quiet ever this time period. It's busy but something is very off.
 
I'm a huge Harry Potter fan but I'd take Disney over Universal any day. The experience at Disney is a far more immersive one and it's one of the few holidays where I get that feeling of leaving the world behind. At Universal I never forget I'm in a theme park, even in the HP areas.

Universal's increasing dependence on simulators is another big turn-off. Even my teenage boy relatives call the new rides 'fake thrills' and would give it a miss if not for the hilarious Simpsons area.
 
I'm a huge Harry Potter fan but I'd take Disney over Universal any day. The experience at Disney is a far more immersive one and it's one of the few holidays where I get that feeling of leaving the world behind. At Universal I never forget I'm in a theme park, even in the HP areas.

Universal's increasing dependence on simulators is another big turn-off. Even my teenage boy relatives call the new rides 'fake thrills' and would give it a miss if not for the hilarious Simpsons area.

I liked the simulators but also agree with you --- They got repetitive, seeing the same basic tricks. It's why I really enjoyed MIB and even ET. Still, it's hard to deny that those simulators were used very very effectively in the Harry Potter rides.

I kinda agree about Disney being more completely immersive experience, but not really due to specific theming, etc. It's just that Disney exercises such complete control, it's Disney everything, from the moment you step on to the property. Starbucks was such a big deal, since it is about the most non-Disney thing you will find on property (that honor used to belong to McDonalds French fries which are long gone).
On the other hand, at Universal... you're not staying at Universal hotels. You're staying at Loews Hotels, which partner with Universal. Nothing about the hotels really feels too connected to Universal. And the parks are filled with Starbucks and Ben & Jerrys and Dippin Dots. And there are no big magic fireworks at the end of the night to wrap up the entire day.
So Disney really creates this whole unified feeling from the moment you enter the property, until you leave the property. Heck, you get the feeling from the moment you get off your plane and board the Magic Express. But to Universal, you take a taxi or just a regular mini van. And instead of getting a magic band, you get some cheap paper tickets.

Oh, there was one big thing that made Universal a whole lot immersive -- It kept happening on Jurassic Park -- Constant announcements over the speaker for guests to put down their cameras, thus constantly interrupting the ride. I can't imagine that happening at Disney.
 
FWIW? THIS gramma and grampa don't like Peter Pan or IASW, too slow and boring.
We love Gringotts, Mummy, and all the other thrill rides at Universal. Absolutely agree with you that they have outdone Disney with WWOHP at both parks. Absolutely amazing. Never stayed on property before, but it is a big possibility this time. Loved your report!

Lol, glad we're not the only grandparents who prefer thrill rides! :D
 
Nice report havoc315 some good points given.

This grandma loves all the rides at Universal. Age has not limited my love of Spider-Man, Escape from Gingotts (my favorite ride) and Mummy.

I think it boils down to preference. The grandchildren and I were doing split stays at Disney and Universal for a number of years then Disney kept getting more complicated with the planning end of things. It was the grandchildern that decided they had had enough of Disney.

That being said I think everyone should experience Disney. I'am glad I took our son and grandchildren. It was sad for me to see Disney continue to be more complicated in the pre planning phase of the trip. I don't want to have to make fast pass and dining ressies 6 months out.

I want to go and experience new rides and new restaurants and less travel time between parks without the hassle of all the planning. Universal has been awesome in that respect.

We have continued to return to Universal because we love staying onsite and Universal is continuing to come up with new ideas for rides and restaurants.

Your right WWOHP really put Universal on the map. I'am in awe of Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley.

I see the continuation of ideas being brought to fruition at Universal. New Resorts to fit everyones budget, new water park under construction Volcano Bay, new rides, new restaurants.

I hope Disney is able to do a great Star Wars park. Modern technology will have to play a role in the rides that are being done there. Might lure me back for a peek.

Simulated ride technology is the wave of the future and Universal has done a nice job of mixing those rides with the conventional ride offerings.

We love picking new lanyards each time we go to Universal. We put our park tickets in one window and the express pass facing the other window on the opposite side. We never have to take them off to be scanned and they tuck nicely in our shirt on the coasters. Just as easy as the Disney wrist band.

It's awesome that Orlando has two great theme parks to choose from. Something for everyone. :flower1:
 
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Thank you for your response.... But where did I say that the Universal Coasters resemble Disney's coasters?
This was what I said about the coasters:
"Each coaster as Universal seems bigger and faster and twistier than the coasters at Disney. "

I'm not a coaster person... but in terms of coasters, that's an area where I prefer Disney. Disney's coasters are generally not wild and crazy, but are very very extensively themed -- Big Thunder Mountain, Everest. The Universal coasters seem wilder, bigger, crazier, but generally lacking much theming. (What's "Hulk" about the Hulk-coaster other than being green?)

So I don't think the coasters resemble each other at all... they are massively different. The Universal coasters are much more "thrilling" while the Disney coasters are milder, with more elaborate theming.

I interpreted your comment as you inferring that Universal also 'cribed' the coasters from WDW (as you referenced numerous other rides):confused3 but just amped up the action. That's why I was puzzled by your statement. Thanks for clarifying.

Can't ask for more theming than that on The Mummy IMO. U's water rides are also heavily themed with impressive drops. Popeye blows the Rapids ride @ AK out of the water...pun intended. Love my bullwinkle but do give nod to song of south theming.

Disney is pervasive in it's extensive theming. We love and and visit as often as possible, usually via a split trip to U. It's almost diabolical how Disney has managed to package everything together to keep guests onsite. Since HP came to town, more are broadening their horizons to experience U & the other parks in the area. File it under, try it, you may like it.:)

btw - Nice to read that somebody enjoys Magical Express. It's been years since I haven't rented a car. Hope we don't get a grand tour again before we are deposited at our resort next month. One of the reasons many select offsite or deluxe properties is that the decor is a bit more subdued. It's nice to have so many choices in Orlando. Many of us enjoy retreating to a relaxing resort that doesn't scream theme park at the end of the day. It helps to decrompress...not that I don't enjoy the over-the-top icons at the Disney values now and again.
 
I'm another one who could never choose which I like better. In fact for the last five years we've done both in one trip. Can't imagine heading to Orlando and not doing both!
They both have the nostalgia feel for me, because every summer as a kid we went to both parks. They're both so wonderful in different ways!
:)
 

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