Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[JETSDAD]

Admittedly, it’s nt a particular stellar hack. This isn’t for booking early or getting those hard to get FPs. It’s just a method for getting more FPs in a day. And it assumes that you can modify your 3rd FP while standing in line for your first. Plus, you’ve got to be willing to take whatever comes along. It involves moving FPs up once you’ve tapped in at your first attraction. The premise is that once you’ve tapped in, you are no longer restricted from holding another FP that fits in that same window. So, let’s say that you have:

9:05-10:05 Jungle Cruise
11:30- 12:30 - BTMRR
12:30- 1:30 POTC​

Note the time gap between the first and second FP. This is important and you’ll see why in a moment.

Hit JC at the beginning of the FP window. Tap in at JC and while in line, modify the POTC FP for any time from 9:10 on. If you can’t get POTC, look for any experience that is available before the next FP without overlapping. This is why you left a 1.5 hour ga between FP #1 and FP #2. The closer to the current time, the better. Enjoy JC and then wander over to your next FP attraction where your window is already open. Tap in and then modify BTMRR while you’re in line. Again, swap out for a different experience if you can’t get a time close to the current time.

After tapping in at the last FP, you’re now free to book a 4th FP. You’re ahead of anyone who booked consecutive FPs (i.e. 9:05 JC, 10:05 POTC, 11:05 BTMRR) because you just did 3 FP attractions in a matter of 2 hours instead of 3+. After that, it’s refresh, refresh, refresh to get your 5th, 6th or even 7th FP but the key is to always be at the attraction when your window opens so that you can book or modify that next FP while standing in line.

While MK is the easiest place to put this to the test just because of the large number of attractions, this also plays to your advantage at the parks with tiered FPs. You’re clearing those tier #2 FPs from your account more quickly, giving you the chance to book another tier #1 FP as your 4th FP before most other guests finish their 3.

The gap doesn't make sense. We always are modifying our 2nd and beyond FP's after using our first FP. There's no point in having the gap and really all you need is your first FP prebooked. Instead of having a gap and modifying the 3rd FP, just modify FP#2. With tiered parks we're often done with our first 3 FP's in the first hour.

 

[anomamatt]

The gap doesn't make sense. We always are modifying our 2nd and beyond FP's after using our first FP. There's no point in having the gap and really all you need is your first FP prebooked. Instead of having a gap and modifying the 3rd FP, just modify FP#2. With tiered parks we're often done with our first 3 FP's in the first hour.

Yep, this is what I do, too.

And in tiered parks, one of our first FP "uses" is often just tapping an FP off and not riding...

 

[Spaceguy55]

I would think most people here... "not all", are more concerned with how to get a fp or 2 for SWGE to avoid the wait times we all know are coming.
So any tips within the TOA are much appreciated...if they exist

 

[JETSDAD]

Yep, this is what I do, too.

And in tiered parks, one of our first FP "uses" is often just tapping an FP off and not riding...

We'll often make the first FP a tier 1. Hit a ride or two at RD, then our tier 1, then likely burn a tier 2 and use a tier 2. I like to do this especially for AK because it may be more difficult to grab a FOP FP in that first hour after using a different FP.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

And now, according to another forum, TA’s are now telling their clients to book their fp’s early. So far it’s just those who frequent Disney info sites, not any more. I feel for those who have to wait to book and will be competing with those who booked long before they were supposed. I’m lucky, my date to book was early enough that I wasn’t affected.

Personally I see it as if you are able to use the glitch to your advantage why not? I know it’s unfortunate for others but I surely would do it if I had a trip soon.

When MK is scheduled to open at 9:00, but the rope drops at 8:45, are we to just stand there and wait for the clock to strike 9:00? Heck no! I’m with you @rteetz, if the 60-day FP rope drops early, book away!

 

[AveryandLilysmom]

This is not a test, this was a real cancellation and re-booking based on my family's upcoming trip.
Couple of things first:
1. We aren't AP or DVC members.
2. We purchased 6 day "dated" tickets 1/2/19.

We booked Coronado Springs for 7 nights, March 23-30, through UT 1/3/19 and I linked the reservation in MDE same day.
I booked all our FP 2/22/19 when the 60 day window opened. Our FP start 3/24 since are driving to FL 3/23 and will not visit a park that day.
This past Thursday, I was able to rent a confirmed 6 night DVC reservation.
I linked the DVC reservation in MDE when I received the confirmation from the owner and then called UT to cancel Coronado.
I first tried to "modify" the Coronado reservation to a one night, but was told UT can't modify reservations and must cancel and re-book.
I opted not to re-book since the one night available was a higher rate than what I originally started with.
Unfortunately, I didn't see if a FP warning was created because I didn't cancel the reservation myself.
Friday evening (3/1) I booked a one night stay at a Disney Springs hotel for our arrival date 3/23.
I linked the reservation for the Disney Springs hotel yesterday, after it had been more than 48 hours since I cancelled Coronado.

When the DVC owner called to add our names to the 6 night stay she was told to make sure I didn't cancel the Coronado reservation before I linked the new reservation AND made sure the DVC reservation showed up in my account (it showed up right away thankfully) to ensure our FP weren't cancelled.

I also initiated an online chat with a CM Thursday morning and asked about the affect (if any) on FP for changing from a 7 night to a 6 night stay. He specifically mentioned that FP follow the reservation window, which originally opened 2/22 (with the change it didn't open until 2/23). I clarified that our new reservation started the same day as our FP. He then asked if we had FP scheduled 3/23 and I confirmed we didn't. Then he said we wouldn't lose our FP, which, thus far has been the case. He was, however, very clear that if I had scheduled FP the date of our arrival with no resort reservation that night we would have lost the FP for at least that day. It remains to be seen if that would've resulted in a loss of all the FP or only that day had we planned to go to a park when we arrive.

So, it does appear that as long as you have a resort reservation that covers the days you have FP previously scheduled (even if you're within the 30 day window) you won't lose your FP. I don't think it would matter had I made the change between 60 and 30 days, the result would probably be the same.

Sorry this doesn't help with split stay FP booking window issues, but thought I should post just in case it could help anyone.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Admittedly, it’s nt a particular stellar hack. This isn’t for booking early or getting those hard to get FPs. It’s just a method for getting more FPs in a day. And it assumes that you can modify your 3rd FP while standing in line for your first. Plus, you’ve got to be willing to take whatever comes along. It involves moving FPs up once you’ve tapped in at your first attraction. The premise is that once you’ve tapped in, you are no longer restricted from holding another FP that fits in that same window. So, let’s say that you have:

9:05-10:05 Jungle Cruise
11:30- 12:30 - BTMRR
12:30- 1:30 POTC​

Note the time gap between the first and second FP. This is important and you’ll see why in a moment.

Hit JC at the beginning of the FP window. Tap in at JC and while in line, modify the POTC FP for any time from 9:10 on. If you can’t get POTC, look for any experience that is available before the next FP without overlapping. This is why you left a 1.5 hour ga between FP #1 and FP #2. The closer to the current time, the better. Enjoy JC and then wander over to your next FP attraction where your window is already open. Tap in and then modify BTMRR while you’re in line. Again, swap out for a different experience if you can’t get a time close to the current time.

After tapping in at the last FP, you’re now free to book a 4th FP. You’re ahead of anyone who booked consecutive FPs (i.e. 9:05 JC, 10:05 POTC, 11:05 BTMRR) because you just did 3 FP attractions in a matter of 2 hours instead of 3+. After that, it’s refresh, refresh, refresh to get your 5th, 6th or even 7th FP but the key is to always be at the attraction when your window opens so that you can book or modify that next FP while standing in line.

While MK is the easiest place to put this to the test just because of the large number of attractions, this also plays to your advantage at the parks with tiered FPs. You’re clearing those tier #2 FPs from your account more quickly, giving you the chance to book another tier #1 FP as your 4th FP before most other guests finish their 3.

I don't see this as all that new honestly. All you're doing is modifying earlier in the day because you made your FP earlier in the day. It's been around for quite a while in terms of a strategy wouldn't call it a hack either. Just seemed logical to check and see once we tapped our 1st FP to see if we can adjust the time or for something else.

It was completely due to Irma but we did this a bunch to get more and more FP. Only difference is our prebooked FP were for the afternoon/evening due to original park hopping strategy.

It doesn't require a gap either. Just requires the ability to be able to modify for either an earlier time or different attraction.

 

[guerns17]

This is not a test, this was a real cancellation and re-booking based on my family's upcoming trip.
Couple of things first:
1. We aren't AP or DVC members.
2. We purchased 6 day "dated" tickets 1/2/19.

We booked Coronado Springs for 7 nights, March 23-30, through UT 1/3/19 and I linked the reservation in MDE same day.
I booked all our FP 2/22/19 when the 60 day window opened. Our FP start 3/24 since are driving to FL 3/23 and will not visit a park that day.
This past Thursday, I was able to rent a confirmed 6 night DVC reservation.
I linked the DVC reservation in MDE when I received the confirmation from the owner and then called UT to cancel Coronado.
I first tried to "modify" the Coronado reservation to a one night, but was told UT can't modify reservations and must cancel and re-book.
I opted not to re-book since the one night available was a higher rate than what I originally started with.
Unfortunately, I didn't see if a FP warning was created because I didn't cancel the reservation myself.
Friday evening (3/1) I booked a one night stay at a Disney Springs hotel for our arrival date 3/23.
I linked the reservation for the Disney Springs hotel yesterday, after it had been more than 48 hours since I cancelled Coronado.

When the DVC owner called to add our names to the 6 night stay she was told to make sure I didn't cancel the Coronado reservation before I linked the new reservation AND made sure the DVC reservation showed up in my account (it showed up right away thankfully) to ensure our FP weren't cancelled.

I also initiated an online chat with a CM Thursday morning and asked about the affect (if any) on FP for changing from a 7 night to a 6 night stay. He specifically mentioned that FP follow the reservation window, which originally opened 2/22 (with the change it didn't open until 2/23). I clarified that our new reservation started the same day as our FP. He then asked if we had FP scheduled 3/23 and I confirmed we didn't. Then he said we wouldn't lose our FP, which, thus far has been the case. He was, however, very clear that if I had scheduled FP the date of our arrival with no resort reservation that night we would have lost the FP for at least that day. It remains to be seen if that would've resulted in a loss of all the FP or only that day had we planned to go to a park when we arrive.

So, it does appear that as long as you have a resort reservation that covers the days you have FP previously scheduled (even if you're within the 30 day window) you won't lose your FP. I don't think it would matter had I made the change between 60 and 30 days, the result would probably be the same.

Sorry this doesn't help with split stay FP booking window issues, but thought I should post just in case it could help anyone.

Well I think it does show..if you have a split stay and are concerned about getting your full booking window you can book a separate reservation for your entire stay and then cancel it after your 60+ fastpasses are made.

 

[cel_disney]

While I always love to read about FP strategies - can we focus this thread on the booking window issue?

 

[BridgetBordeaux]

While I always love to read about FP strategies - can we focus this thread on the booking window issue?

I think we are passing the time until we get another substantial data point.

 

[Iowamomof4]

I think we are passing the time until we get another substantial data point.

Passing the time and looking for potential solutions that are within Disney's TOS.

 

[Kris10karma]

Well I think it does show..if you have a split stay and are concerned about getting your full booking window you can book a separate reservation for your entire stay and then cancel it after your 60+ fastpasses are made.

And that's where people are gonna be miffed they even have to fool with it and say WTH and book an OEWO or whatever acronym we have dubbed it and get a jump on stuff. It's a Disney created monster.

 

[anomamatt]

And that's where people are gonna be miffed they even have to fool with it and say WTH and book an OEWO or whatever acronym we have dubbed it and get a jump on stuff. It's a Disney created monster.

EOWO. Extended Overlapping Window Opener.

But I'm open to name change suggestions. ;-)

(And I agree with you.)

 

[anomamatt]

I wonder if excessive use of EOWO will lead to Disney preventing overlapping resort reservations for the same guests? Although that will decrease the number of people who simultaneously book GF Grand Villas to shower/nap while staying in Animal Kingdom Lodge (anyone remember that thread?).

 

[guerns17]

I wonder if excessive use of EOWO will lead to Disney preventing overlapping resort reservations for the same guests? Although that will decrease the number of people who simultaneously book GF Grand Villas to shower/nap while staying in Animal Kingdom Lodge (anyone remember that thread?).

Or they will add a big cancellation fee?

 

[anomamatt]

Or they will add a big cancellation fee?

Cancellation fees will be a tough sell when off-site doesn't charge them. But even making people call to cancel would probably deter a lot of abuse, especially when the CM would see another resort stay. But the latter won't happen because it will cost WDW money (phone CMs). In the end, all WDW cares about is money. They certainly don't care about FP access being "fair" or having a level playing field.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

I wonder if excessive use of EOWO will lead to Disney preventing overlapping resort reservations for the same guests? Although that will decrease the number of people who simultaneously book GF Grand Villas to shower/nap while staying in Animal Kingdom Lodge (anyone remember that thread?).

Ahhhhh. No. I missed that thread.

 

[BridgetBordeaux]

Or they will add a big cancellation fee?

That would make them uncompetitive with other nearby resorts and hotels

 

[anomamatt]

Ahhhhh. No. I missed that thread.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/w...k-in-on-the-second-day.3477506/#post-55032537

Enjoy.

(I did misremember. It was a 2BR GF suite and not a Grand Villa).

 

[guerns17]

That would make them uncompetitive with other nearby resorts and hotels

True...well hopefully they will continue to allow 2 simultaneous reservations!