Pit-Bull's...friend or foe?

My mom is debating adopting a pit bull. She lives alone and I think she likes the idea of a crime deterrent/alert. She doesn’t want a true guard dog, but likes the benefit of a scary-looking dog.

We looked at one at the shelter yesterday. She seems super sweet but was showing aggression toward other dogs. It just makes me nervous. I don’t want her to get hurt and I don’t want her responsible for another dog get hurt. Our dog before this was a 7-pound chihuahua mix. This is a very different kind of dog!

My apologies, I missed the part of showing aggression toward other dogs. ANY dog that shows dog aggression can be a problem, especially a larger breed. If she wants a large breed, its really something that she is going to have to be careful to find a fit for her.

Dozer was perfect for my mom. He would drag DH when he tried to walk him and walk carefully beside Mom when she did. He seemed to sense how he needed to be with her. Again, that may have totally been that dog and have no more to do with his breed than much of what is being said here. She had a Cocker Spaniel that wasn't like that at all and was a struggle for her to the point that one of the kids would go and walk the dog twice a day. She finally had to rehome him.
 
I can only speak for GSDs, because that is the breed I know, but the beauty of a well trained, socialized and behaved GSD is that they don't have to be aggressive to be protective. They instinctually know when there is a threat, whether it's because they pick up on fear hormones given off by owners or adrenaline type chemicals from intruders, idk, but I've seen it rarely with my own dogs when they were otherwise completely reliable around people with the exception of a rare instance where harm was approaching, and it surprised even me. I'm not talking about the snarling GSD in a junkyard or kept on the end of a chain, but the type that live in harmony with a family.
 
That’s how I’m seeing it, too. I talked to her about it last night and voiced my concern that if the dog lunges at another dog she may not be able to control her; she insisted that she wasn’t worried about that. She also mentioned that because she doesn’t go to dog parks or plans to really have the dog around other dogs it wouldn’t matter (our chihuahua/terrier mix wasn’t good with other dogs, but being so little it didn’t worry us).

I’m personally hoping she passes on this dog.
Ah, yes...I don't think it's a good idea either, not because of the breed necessarily, but because it's a larger dog who is already showing aggression toward other dogs. I understand why she might be justifying her pick, but there are so many other dogs who need homes...she should think on it some more.
 
I appreciate everyone's insight! I didn't even consider that the dog lunging on the leash could actually injure her (I was more concerned about the dog managing to get away and hurt a dog/person). That definitely concerns me. While she is active, she is in her 60s...
 
I appreciate everyone's insight! I didn't even consider that the dog lunging on the leash could actually injure her (I was more concerned about the dog managing to get away and hurt a dog/person). That definitely concerns me. While she is active, she is in her 60s...
There is another possibility, too, and that is that we, as dog owners, are also liable if someone is injured trying to get away from our dog, at least in my state. (Obviously I think it would have to be proven that the dog was coming after the person, i.e. people can't just make this stuff up and expect to sue.) But that is why it's so important today to have a dog that's well behaved and socialized, so it doesn't cause problems when you have it out and about.
 
There is another possibility, too, and that is that we, as dog owners, are also liable if someone is injured trying to get away from our dog, at least in my state. (Obviously I think it would have to be proven that the dog was coming after the person, i.e. people can't just make this stuff up and expect to sue.) But that is why it's so important today to have a dog that's well behaved and socialized, so it doesn't cause problems when you have it out and about.

Agreed. I've been texting her and she's saying that the aggression shown could have been the result of the shelter environment, and "aggression can be dealt with" :sad2: I mentioned the lunging/injury concern and she said "I'm not that delicate yet!". I really didn't think she had her heart set on this dog... I never would have expected her to even consider a pit bull.

The volunteer at the shelter mentioned that dogs who have been in the shelter for a while can develop mental health issues and that as soon as they get home they'll be better. This dog has been there since a few days after Christmas. I think my mom is convinced once out of the shelter she'll be fine. It's very frustrating and concerning. I had no idea this thread would become so relevant to my life!!

So my question now is... can aggressive behavior be changed? The dog is 6 years old. We don't know anything about her past, but she was at a county shelter before ending up at this nonprofit shelter.
 
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Agreed. I've been texting her and she's saying that the aggression shown could have been the result of the shelter environment, and "aggression can be dealt with" :sad2: I mentioned the lunging/injury concern and she said "I'm not that delicate yet!". I really didn't think she had her heart set on this dog... I never would have expected her to even consider a pit bull.

The volunteer at the shelter mentioned that dogs who have been in the shelter for a while can develop mental health issues and that as soon as they get home they'll be better. This dog has been there since a few days after Christmas. I think my mom is convinced once out of the shelter she'll be fine. It's very frustrating and concerning. I had no idea this thread would become so relevant to my life!!

So my question now is... can aggressive behavior be changed? The dog is 6 years old. We don't know anything about her past, but she was at a county shelter before ending up at this nonprofit shelter.

She needs to find a good trainer that can evaluate the dog and work with her one on one. It may cost, but will be worth every penny.

I use one of these for Lucy. It's not a substitute for training, but can make walking on a leash much less stressful until the training starts to take.

https://www.amazon.com/PetSafe-Gent...gentle+leader&qid=1552942202&s=gateway&sr=8-3

She's like a different dog as far as pulling goes with this on.

She might also consider a muzzle for the dog when taking her out, at least until she can determine how big of an issue the aggressiveness is. I know it sounds awful, but they make them where the dog can pant and drink while wearing it, just not open its mouth wide enough to make a serious bite.
 
Agreed. I've been texting her and she's saying that the aggression shown could have been the result of the shelter environment, and "aggression can be dealt with" :sad2: I mentioned the lunging/injury concern and she said "I'm not that delicate yet!". I really didn't think she had her heart set on this dog... I never would have expected her to even consider a pit bull.

The volunteer at the shelter mentioned that dogs who have been in the shelter for a while can develop mental health issues and that as soon as they get home they'll be better. This dog has been there since a few days after Christmas. I think my mom is convinced once out of the shelter she'll be fine. It's very frustrating and concerning. I had no idea this thread would become so relevant to my life!!

So my question now is... can aggressive behavior be changed? The dog is 6 years old. We don't know anything about her past, but she was at a county shelter before ending up at this nonprofit shelter.

Aggression is a serious issue that even with extensive training usually cannot be "fixed" or completely eliminated. It may be able to be managed with countless hours of work, but it will likely still be an underlying issue that, to me, will make the dog always unpredictable.

Honestly, if your mom is interested in a pit or bully breed, she should contact a rescue that specializes in them. She should absolutely not adopt from a shelter, especially one that knows nothing about the dogs and is giving inaccurate information to try to sway her into adopting. If the dog is developing "mental health issues", it's certainly not a dog for an inexperienced older woman to care for on her own. Most bully rescues do temperament tests and screen the dogs for aggression of any type and they have them live in a foster home for a minimum period of time (usually a few months) so they can observe their behavior before allowing them to be adopted. There is really no way to know how a dog in a kennel at a shelter is going to act when in a home environment. They will also take into account what home/family would be a proper fit for the dog rather than just adopting them out to get rid of them.

Also, about not being "that delicate"... I was 33 and quite strong when my dog injured my shoulder by lunging (didn't even knock me down). My husband is one of the strongest men I have ever met and even he occasionally had to struggle to get the dog under control if there was an unexpected trigger encountered while walking.
 
She needs to find a good trainer that can evaluate the dog and work with her one on one. It may cost, but will be worth every penny.

I use one of these for Lucy. It's not a substitute for training, but can make walking on a leash much less stressful until the training starts to take.

https://www.amazon.com/PetSafe-Gent...gentle+leader&qid=1552942202&s=gateway&sr=8-3

She's like a different dog as far as pulling goes with this on.

She might also consider a muzzle for the dog when taking her out, at least until she can determine how big of an issue the aggressiveness is. I know it sounds awful, but they make them where the dog can pant and drink while wearing it, just not open its mouth wide enough to make a serious bite.

No, she needs to just not adopt this dog. Training a strong aggressive dog is really not something this woman should be taking on when she lives alone and has no experience.

Gentle leaders are a tool for teaching leash manners, not for aggression. And, even with a muzzle, this woman will still be liable when the dog breaks away from her because she can't control him and goes after someone and they are injured.

It's just all around a bad idea and I hope that poster will be able to talk her out of it. If this were my mom I would not feel comfortable bringing my children to visit her if she decided to go through with the adoption.
 
Agreed. I've been texting her and she's saying that the aggression shown could have been the result of the shelter environment, and "aggression can be dealt with" :sad2: I mentioned the lunging/injury concern and she said "I'm not that delicate yet!". I really didn't think she had her heart set on this dog... I never would have expected her to even consider a pit bull.

The volunteer at the shelter mentioned that dogs who have been in the shelter for a while can develop mental health issues and that as soon as they get home they'll be better. This dog has been there since a few days after Christmas. I think my mom is convinced once out of the shelter she'll be fine. It's very frustrating and concerning. I had no idea this thread would become so relevant to my life!!

So my question now is... can aggressive behavior be changed? The dog is 6 years old. We don't know anything about her past, but she was at a county shelter before ending up at this nonprofit shelter.

Sorry I had to laugh at her “not delicate” remark. That sounds exactly like my Mom. When we voiced our concerns over Mom taking over Dozer that was exactly the answer we got! Especially after the cocker spaniel debacle. (He wasn’t the small little cocker like Lady, he was quite large)

But I agree she needs to rethink this dog. At 6 years old, I wouldn’t trust being able to retrain him and would be a bit afraid to test it.

Honestly Pits aren’t the best watch dogs, if that’s what she is wanting.

Your mom needs a dog that can be trained and trained well to walk with her and to listen to her commands. A pit could be the ticket but not a 6 year old, from a shelter and showing aggression.
 
Agreed. I've been texting her and she's saying that the aggression shown could have been the result of the shelter environment, and "aggression can be dealt with" :sad2: I mentioned the lunging/injury concern and she said "I'm not that delicate yet!". I really didn't think she had her heart set on this dog... I never would have expected her to even consider a pit bull.

The volunteer at the shelter mentioned that dogs who have been in the shelter for a while can develop mental health issues and that as soon as they get home they'll be better. This dog has been there since a few days after Christmas. I think my mom is convinced once out of the shelter she'll be fine. It's very frustrating and concerning. I had no idea this thread would become so relevant to my life!!

So my question now is... can aggressive behavior be changed? The dog is 6 years old. We don't know anything about her past, but she was at a county shelter before ending up at this nonprofit shelter.
Maybe this was the reason this thread was started!

To the bolded - it is really difficult to say, BUT... do you really want to find out?

As I've said before, I had to walk away from two little dogs that showed aggression because I knew it wasn't something I wanted to live with. I have a super elderly person in my home (90s) and I didn't want there to be any problems, plus from decades of life with GSDs I understood dog liability more than most.

To take on a pit bull showing aggressive tendencies? No way! I'm the one who earlier said I rescued a pit from under a dumpster and wound up bringing it into my home and subsequently - at just five months old - she wouldn't let my DH into the house AND she went after my neighbors with a ferocity I'd never experienced before. I would never knowingly put myself in that situation ever again, it was terrifying! I care greatly about animals and people and I wouldn't risk putting anyone in harm's way.

Friends of ours worked with our trainer with a dog who'd had a serious bite incident. After hearing the details, the trainer said he thought that training would not help the situation. The dog had gotten away with the bite and therefore learned he could do it again. It was devastating. But, unfortunately, euthanization was the right choice for the safety of children in the home and elsewhere. There were a lot of things that could've prevented the incident (some of which I posted earlier), but what happened, happened.

I posted a link earlier that had a chart that reviewed degrees of bites. I'll post it here. A pit bull is capable of the most severe degree of biting.

http://apdt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ian-dunbar-dog-bite-scale.pdf

ETA found the list:

There are six categories of dog bites which are:

1) The Level One Bite
This is whereby even with the aggressive behavior of the dog, its teeth do not get in contact with the skin. This is just the regular dog simply trying to frighten another dog or a human being so that the person/dog will leave.

2) The Level Two Bite
In this level, the teeth come in contact with the skin but do not leave any skin puncture. Here, the dog takes its aggression to the next level. It does not mind taking this behavior a step forward to let anyone know that it does not want them around.

Level one and two bites are the most typical dog bite issues. The dogs are sometimes not harmful, and the diagnosis for their aggression problems is taken care of with adequate treatment.

3) The Level Three Bite
Here, there are about one to about four tooth punctures from just a distinct bite. However, the punctures are not deeper than over half of the dog’s teeth. This is the point whereby the dog shows itself as a threat to both people and other animals.

See Also French Bulldog Puppies

4) The Level Four Bite
While the punctures range from one to four, there is a minimum of one puncture being deeper than over half of the dog’s teeth. Whoever gets bitten, be it a human or another dog, will possibly be left with deep bruises surround the wound. These wounds are gotten from the dog shaking its head from left to right.

In level four, the warning sign goes up. This dog needs to be kept far away from not just people, but animals included. The dog is kept till its issue is analyzed by an expert.

5) The Level Five Bite
This comprises of diverse level four bites and assaults. This dog is clearly harmful to people and its fellow animals. Diagnosis is not good.

In this level, behavior specialists approve that the dog is put out of its misery. This is recommended because, asides being very dangerous to others, it would face life the hard way when locked up in solitary confinement.

6) The Level Six Bite
The only good thing about this level is that it is very rare. It hardly occurs. Here, the victim either an animal or a person dies during the assault.
 
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I can only speak for GSDs, because that is the breed I know, but the beauty of a well trained, socialized and behaved GSD is that they don't have to be aggressive to be protective. They instinctually know when there is a threat, whether it's because they pick up on fear hormones given off by owners or adrenaline type chemicals from intruders, idk, but I've seen it rarely with my own dogs when they were otherwise completely reliable around people with the exception of a rare instance where harm was approaching, and it surprised even me. I'm not talking about the snarling GSD in a junkyard or kept on the end of a chain, but the type that live in harmony with a family.

I love GSDs. My “grand dog” with Dd is a GSD and she is a joy and a gorgeous dog.

But honestly your description in this post could have been written about DS’s pit and my Cur too as well as dd’s dog.
 
No, she needs to just not adopt this dog. Training a strong aggressive dog is really not something this woman should be taking on when she lives alone and has no experience.

Gentle leaders are a tool for teaching leash manners, not for aggression. And, even with a muzzle, this woman will still be liable when the dog breaks away from her because she can't control him and goes after someone and they are injured.

It's just all around a bad idea and I hope that poster will be able to talk her out of it. If this were my mom I would not feel comfortable bringing my children to visit her if she decided to go through with the adoption.


I agree and said so in one of my earlier responses to her. There are way too many dogs without issues in shelters.

However, it seems like her mother has made up her mind already and isn't really listening to reason. If she does go through with this she'll need all the help and tools she can get.
 
I love GSDs. My “grand dog” with Dd is a GSD and she is a joy and a gorgeous dog.

But honestly your description in this post could have been written about DS’s pit and my Cur too as well as dd’s dog.
There is a reason GSDs are used by police, military, and other agencies.
 
I wish I could convince her to get a GSD (a dream dog of mine since childhood).

I don't think she takes the shelter aggression seriously. I also worry that the dog may have way too much energy for her. My mom works full-time and lives in a small apartment. As soon as this dog was taken out of her pen and let go into the fenced play area she ran around like crazy (understandably!).. but seeing as though my mom has no yard and I'd be worried about that dog at a dog park... ugh, I know I'm preaching to the choir. At this point I'm just venting.
 
I agree and said so in one of my earlier responses to her. There are way too many dogs without issues in shelters.

However, it seems like her mother has made up her mind already and isn't really listening to reason. If she does go through with this she'll need all the help and tools she can get.

Gotcha. I missed your earlier post and interpreted the post I quoted as encouragement that she should adopt (as in, “as long as she gets a trainer and some tools no problem”) rather than a last resort if she’s unwilling to change her mind.
 
I wish I could convince her to get a GSD (a dream dog of mine since childhood).

I don't think she takes the shelter aggression seriously. I also worry that the dog may have way too much energy for her. My mom works full-time and lives in a small apartment. As soon as this dog was taken out of her pen and let go into the fenced play area she ran around like crazy (understandably!).. but seeing as though my mom has no yard and I'd be worried about that dog at a dog park... ugh, I know I'm preaching to the choir. At this point I'm just venting.

I don’t know if a GSD would be best either. They can have a lot of energy. Dd’s dog loves to be outside to run. She does stay inside most of the time but Dd has a big yard and the dog loves being outside.

Perhaps reasearch some larger breeds that are good for apartment dwellers.
 
I wish I could convince her to get a GSD (a dream dog of mine since childhood).

I don't think she takes the shelter aggression seriously. I also worry that the dog may have way too much energy for her. My mom works full-time and lives in a small apartment. As soon as this dog was taken out of her pen and let go into the fenced play area she ran around like crazy (understandably!).. but seeing as though my mom has no yard and I'd be worried about that dog at a dog park... ugh, I know I'm preaching to the choir. At this point I'm just venting.
They are realistic concerns! I think it's always a good idea not to rush into anything. Could she look for an older, quieter dog from maybe someone who had a family situation like a fire or a divorce? A dog who would be ok hanging out most of the day but would need a nice walk when your Mom gets home and on weekends?

There is a program, I forget what it's called, where servicepeople are looking for someone to take care of their dogs while they're overseas. Maybe she might be interested in something like that, where she could do something good and perhaps get to take care of a nice, older, quiet dog.

https://pactforanimals.org/military-foster-program/
 
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https://petcomments.com/ten-dogs-which-have-the-strongest-bite/

There is another article that shows the Akita has the strongest bite. I don't know if its two different studies and they used different dogs or a manipulation of the information or not finding a reliable article. But none of the ones I found showed the Pit Bull to have the strongest bite.
Here’s the thing about that, Akitas are an awful aggressive breed. That’s like saying well a wolf’s bite is worse. Yeah we know, but we don’t advocate owning them. I have no doubt an Akita is worse. Personally, I don’t think there are any good Akitas, but that doesn’t make me any more willing to gamble on a pitbull either.
 
I'm posting a link to an article I found interesting from our local pit rescue site. Among other things, it addresses pit bulls "turning" on their owners.
http://www.pittyloverescue.org/pit-bull-myths-and-truths/

Prior to 6 years ago, I never dreamed of owning a pit bull. I've always been an animal lover, but I had heard the horror stories in the news regarding pits attacking people and smaller dogs. Well, about 6 years ago my then 19 yr-old son started asking us to take in a pit bull puppy from a friend's litter. After extensive research we concluded that this dog won't kill us in our sleep, and we are now blessed with the most loving, affectionate, empathetic, sensitive, 60 lb. lap dog you'll ever meet. He lets our cats rub up on him, bathe him, and eat out of his bowl, and is submissive to our other dogs. So glad we didn't listen to the bias against this breed. There are stories out there about pit bulls doing great work as therapy dogs, rescuing people, etc., but it makes a better story when it's a sad story. "Pit Bull" is a term used for 4 different breeds of dogs, as well as mixes and dogs people think look like pit bulls, and a tiny percentage of them are aggressive. So many more make wonderful pets when people give them the chance.
 

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