If I lose my two grand on my giftcards, I lose it. Nothing much I can do. I will accept that and be thankful I made it out alive. Others have lost so much more.
Yes that's my point. And the fact others have lost thier lives.Are you worry about Disney gift cards? IF Disney goes out of business in the next decade, there will be other things to be concerned about than losing values of the gift cards.
LAX
varies from situation to situation but last minute cancellations, delays, rerouting. We were on one of DAEs last flights in the Carribean. We flew from Miami to Bonaire with a transfer in Curacao. Initially we were supposed to fly out at 730 in the morn. About 2 weeks out, they canceled our flight and the 1130 flight and put everyone on the 330 flight. Flight didnt get to Miami until 530 supposedly due to weather. Left about 630, got to Curacao about 930ish pm. Had to go to customs to pay for a transfer fee that should have been included but due to the state of the airline, we had to pay in person. Got on the puddle.jumper about 1030, and what was supposed to go direct to Bonaire now went to Aruba first. Got to Bonaire about midnight. On the return trip, we were supposed to leave at 430 in the afternoon but those flights were canceled and we left at 730am. Or so we thought. We left Bonaire for Curacao at 9. Got to spend another 4 hours in the terminal at Curacao because someone from DAE had to pay cash to get the plane out of Curacao. When we finally got back home we realized that DAE was on it's way out, and closed up shop 2 weeks after we got home. We also found out that their employees had not been paid in over a month.What exactly was different for the public.
That obviously wasn't one of the legacy airlines in this country.varies from situation to situation but last minute cancellations, delays, rerouting. We were on one of DAEs last flights in the Carribean. We flew from Miami to Bonaire with a transfer in Curacao. Initially we were supposed to fly out at 730 in the morn. About 2 weeks out, they canceled our flight and the 1130 flight and put everyone on the 330 flight. Flight didnt get to Miami until 530 supposedly due to weather. Left about 630, got to Curacao about 930ish pm. Had to go to customs to pay for a transfer fee that should have been included but due to the state of the airline, we had to pay in person. Got on the puddle.jumper about 1030, and what was supposed to go direct to Bonaire now went to Aruba first. Got to Bonaire about midnight. On the return trip, we were supposed to leave at 430 in the afternoon but those flights were canceled and we left at 730am. Or so we thought. We left Bonaire for Curacao at 9. Got to spend another 4 hours in the terminal at Curacao because someone from DAE had to pay cash to get the plane out of Curacao. When we finally got back home we realized that DAE was on it's way out, and closed up shop 2 weeks after we got home. We also found out that their employees had not been paid in over a month.
It wasnt but that's my personal experience. I've heard similar stories about legacy airlines that are no longer flying. After a certain point, caterers and fuel suppliers will demand cash before servicing aircraft. Its basically a death sentence.Theres a book out called terminal days runway nights a story about like at JFK that touches on it. I want to say it was either TWA or Pan Am they talked about in a similar situation. But basically, once an airline gets to a certain point, theres nonesuch thing as normal nor guarunteed.That obviously wasn't one of the legacy airlines in this country.
.It wasnt but that's my personal experience. I've heard similar stories about legacy airlines that are no longer flying. After a certain point, caterers and fuel suppliers will demand cash before servicing aircraft. Its basically a death sentence.Theres a book out called terminal days runway nights a story about like at JFK that touches on it. I want to say it was either TWA or Pan Am they talked about in a similar situation. But basically, once an airline gets to a certain point, theres nonesuch thing as normal nor guarunteed.
When I said death sentence I was referring to a airline. Under certain circumstances it becomes a death sentence when they can no longer use credit for fuel etc. Sadly most of the legacy airlines are gone. My grandmother was the executive assistant for the vp of maintenance for Pan Am at JFK in the early 80s, and I watched TWA, Eastern, and Pan Am stop flying or merge. I worked for Virgin Atlantic Cargo when Northwest was bought out by Delta. Theres a lot that goes on that doesnt make it to the national news. Especially back then before social media..
Delta, AA and United all went through bankruptcy post 911. Some airlines are gone like Northwest. TWA merged with American. Hopefully they all survive this .I don’t think is necessarily a death sentence.
Yes I know from personal experience bankruptcy is awful for the employees.When I said death sentence I was referring to a airline. Under certain circumstances it becomes a death sentence when they can no longer use credit for fuel etc. Sadly most of the legacy airlines are gone. My grandmother was the executive assistant for the vp of maintenance for Pan Am at JFK in the early 80s, and I watched TWA, Eastern, and Pan Am stop flying or merge. I worked for Virgin Atlantic Cargo when Northwest was bought out by Delta. Theres a lot that goes on that doesnt make it to the national news. Especially back then before social media.
I doubt very much that this will be death sentence for DCL or any of the other biggies. The one that comes to mind that will have an issue is Bahamas Paradise out of Pt Everglades. They run 2 smaller ships back and forth to Freeport. 1 is a retired Carnival ship and the other a former Costa ship. They took a beating from Irma and now this. I cant see them coming out unscathed compared to DCL, which is closest in size I can think of.
Disney is losing $30,000,000 a day.
Not the poster, but this has been reported in a lot of places. Here's one:Can you provide a reference where you found this figure?
-Paul
I read an article today that Norwegian Cruise Line could go out of business. They have by my count 17 current ships, plus 6 planned ships between 2022 and 2027. That is substantially larger than DCL with 4 + 1 (+2) and without the financial backing of Disney's other revenue sources. Every place is gonna take a hit with the corona virus, some more than others. But I would make an educated guess that Disney has enough branding across the board, a better than average rating on their customer service/return customer, and they were doing reasonably well before the down turn. I would also venture to guess that Disney, and other companies, are not only looking at their current & short term numbers, but also planning for future catastrophic events that shut down the world economy. Maybe DCL holds off on newer ships past the Wish? Or perhaps they get rid of the classic ships sooner than expected if new ship contracts are already in play? Who knows, I doubt any of us have access to the accounting books at Disney. For what it's worth, We have a little over $9k locked up in DGC's for our trip that was cancelled, but we rebooked a year out in hopes things look to be getting better. So I understand the fear of losing that hard earned $$. We want to cruise again, and it will be on DCL. But the upcoming economic issues may prevent us from taking another vacation like that for a long time. Good luck to all, be safe & be healthy.
And the million dollar question... those who took credits on any NCL cancelled cruises... will they lose them if they go into bankruptcy? I think I'd be asking for a refund after today's news.I suspect in the end we will see Norwegian enter bankruptcy and reorganize. The brand and assets have significant value that someone will scoop up.
The article said they MIGHT file for bankruptcy. It didn’t say they would liquidate.I read an article today that Norwegian Cruise Line could go out of business. They have by my count 17 current ships, plus 6 planned ships between 2022 and 2027. That is substantially larger than DCL with 4 + 1 (+2) and without the financial backing of Disney's other revenue sources. Every place is gonna take a hit with the corona virus, some more than others. But I would make an educated guess that Disney has enough branding across the board, a better than average rating on their customer service/return customer, and they were doing reasonably well before the down turn. I would also venture to guess that Disney, and other companies, are not only looking at their current & short term numbers, but also planning for future catastrophic events that shut down the world economy. Maybe DCL holds off on newer ships past the Wish? Or perhaps they get rid of the classic ships sooner than expected if new ship contracts are already in play? Who knows, I doubt any of us have access to the accounting books at Disney. For what it's worth, We have a little over $9k locked up in DGC's for our trip that was cancelled, but we rebooked a year out in hopes things look to be getting better. So I understand the fear of losing that hard earned $$. We want to cruise again, and it will be on DCL. But the upcoming economic issues may prevent us from taking another vacation like that for a long time. Good luck to all, be safe & be healthy.