D.O.C.'s = Dis'ers of Color (Disney Fans of Color)

[Tonyz]

@AKL Ranger

Any good dining plans while you’re there?

 

[kylenne]

@AKL Ranger
What will inspire me to go back before 2021? When New York lifts its two week quarantine on Florida!

I hear you. Realistically I'm resigned to not going this year, even though I try to stay hopeful for the end of September...like I said, more for the state of things than a trip. Our big trip from this past May we rescheduled for the end of next and added a few more days so it's 2 weeks instead of the 10 days we had before. It was supposed to be our first CL stay, at the Poly, but next year we're turning it into a split between GF main building and Poly CL since we will be there for my 40th birthday. Extra time to save and likely discounts will make it more possible.

 

[AKL Ranger]

@AKL Ranger

Any good dining plans while you’re there?

Hey @Tonyz
Yes, I plan on eating my way around the World Showcase, during the
Taste of Epcot International Food and Wine Festival.
I will be sipping, savoring, and strolling/rolling my way around the festival.
In my signature, I included next week's itinerary. I will hit EPCOT twice.
If anyone is planning on visiting the parks next week, send me a note, we can plan a meet & greet.
I was also lucky to get the Park Reservations Passes that I wanted. I was not sure if I was going to have the luck of two Epcot park passes.

Your AKL Ranger,
keeping Jambo House safe from poachers

 

[AKL Ranger]

Disney conversations that make you say "Hmmm"

Looking around DisBoards and an interesting topic that popped up is the response to photos of meals being served to the NBA players.
Forget those viral photos: NBA players will be eating well at Disney World
Those quarantine meal photos that surfaced on social media won’t be the norm when quarantine ends.
Check out this story on usatoday.com:

Forget those viral photos: NBA players will be eating well at Disney World
Those quarantine meal photos that surfaced on social media won’t be the norm when quarantine ends.
www.usatoday.com

I wonder if the negative jabs and coded language (not limited or exclusive to the Dis Boards) directed at the NBA players would be the same if players of the PGA or NASCAR complained about the food while being quarantined at Disney World Resort.

Peace, Love & Light
Your AKL Ranger,
keeping Jambo House safe from poachers

 

[sweetpeama]

Snack

It's Churro for me (at least I can substitute ones from Taco Johns-a Tex Mex fast food chain that is headquartered in WY and we have here in MT-they have the best seasoned Ol`es around). Unless of course we can add dole whip. to the list and then that is my choice.

As far as different attitude if it was players of another sport I don't know. I try to stay out of those things all the way around. My sport is Rodeo and I have two cousins who are on their way to being able to go Pro in Bronc Riding within the next year or two. One of them just graduated from high school in 19. I have another cousin who was looking at going pro in Bull Riding but a work injury at his make the money while getting started job ended that so he is now regulated from the stands. Plus I don't know how many of you have heard of Dan Morteson who was a Bull Rider well he is the uncle on the cousin who was going into Professional Bull Riding on the mother's side-she is married to my cousin and this is actually his bonus kid.
I've notice that the attitude of those on the Rodeo circuits from the Lil Britches (kids as young as 5 years old) through high school and collegiate to the Northern Rodeo Association to the Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association is so different than any other sport.
I have seen them hold times of prayer when one of their own has been injured. We dealt with this with the daughter in law of my father in law's cousin when she was thrown from her horse (she did team roping with her husband as well as break-a-way roping) putting her in a coma (she has come out and is walking a lot of the time now though still needs to use a wheel chair if she becomes too tired-would need one or a cart at Disney). I have seen rough stock cowboys struggle to come up with money to get to the next town to pay his entry fee in order to ride in hopes of getting part of the purse each night for staying on for 8 seconds, eating baloney or peanut butter sandwiches and drinking tap water while sleeping on the ground under his pickup truck with a bedroll.
I've seen roping event cowboys and cowgirls have it a little better in sometimes they have room in the front of the horse trailer for a sleeping area just because their horse goes with them for their events.
I honestly think that with so many starting out this way or not much better (super 8 is a 4 star and Days in a 5 star) has kept many of them humble and not developing a look at me i am a star attituce but more of a I am grateful that I get to do this that I love either for a side hobby or as a professional career.

 

[kylenne]

I wonder if the negative jabs and coded language (not limited or exclusive to the Dis Boards) directed at the NBA players would be the same if players of the PGA or NASCAR complained about the food while being quarantined at Disney World Resort.

LOL we all know the answer to that one. Nobody thinks PGA players or NASCAR drivers are arrogant or uppity.

 

[AKL Ranger]

Welsh_Dragon said:
Now all the Brits (and possibly others) are aghast. You said a rude word! Bum please not the ‘f’ word.

TresGriffin said:
Yes! LOL. When Ryno said in yesterday's live show chat that he keeps items in his "Sani-Fanny", I was like "OMG, I bet the British listeners think that sounds like a feminine hygiene product."

'Sani' In German means medic.
Although I missed watching or listening to Tuesday's show, funny I chose to post a question about Sani- packs. Thank goodness I did not ask the poll question, "Who's Dad carries the most stuff in his sani -Fanny-Bum pack?
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You will never believe the pop-up web ad that appeared here on the DIS Board pages.
Yes, that is an Ad for a Sani -Fanny- Bum pack!



The Big Kid that I am, ROFLO

Wishing everyone Peace, Love, Light, Churros, Zebra Domes, SchoolBread and
Sani -Fanny- Bum packs!

Your AKL Ranger,
Keeping Jambo House safe from poachers

 

[TresGriffin]

The insane AP room discount which might allow me to salvage the Labor Day weekend trip that was scrapped due to the extension of the quarantine order for tri-state residents. It’s just as good as the TA exclusive rate I had to cancel so I just had her rebook the Poly for the end of September. I’m an essential worker for the city of NY and am feeling severely burned out after working basically nonstop through the worst of the first wave here, and not always from home. I really didn’t understand how crucial travel was to my mental health until I couldn’t do it anymore.

Admittedly I am still torn. Not because of the limited offerings—I’ve been 3 times in the last 2 years, it’s not a big deal to me—but concerns about the virus, and the ethical considerations of a theme park vacation during a pandemic. A lot can change in 2 months and I hope it does for the better, not just for the sake of a trip. But I don’t especially trust the state of FL. My flights are booked on points and fully refundable so we’ll see.

I hear ya. I actually had a trip planned for the first week of September myself and decided to cancel. The "final payment" date was just cutting too close for my comfort. I probably won't be down again until next year. But if things improve in the fall, it may very well be sooner.

Thankfully, I live in Atlanta, so it's not a bad drive, which I've found I prefer because I don't enjoy being at the total mercy of Disney Transport to get around, plus I actually like doing some things that are off property (like the Premium Outlets or even Universal) while I'm there.

 

[TresGriffin]

I just had a random thought. I've always said that I would never EVER stay at Port Orleans Riverside because, quite naturally, as a DOC, the "plantation mansion" theming has never sat well with me.

If they do decide to do a more thorough re-theming of that resort in the future as a way to further distance it from those connotations, I'm wondering if a Garden District theme would work. So while POFQ will remain themed after the French Quarter, POR will become POGD: Port Orleans Garden District. Think St. Charles Avenue and Streetcars. And in the process, they can finally transform Boatwrights into Tiana's Place.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I just had a random thought. I've always said that I would never EVER stay at Port Orleans Riverside because, quite naturally, as a DOC, the "plantation mansion" theming has never sat well with me.

If they do decide to do a more thorough re-theming of that resort in the future as a way to further distance it from those connotations, I'm wondering if a Garden District theme would work. So while POFQ will remain themed after the French Quarter, POR will become POGD: Port Orleans Garden District. Think St. Charles Avenue and Streetcars. And in the process, they can finally transform Boatwrights into Tiana's Place.

I've thought in the past about what would be the best rethemeing for that area and I think I like your idea best as seems like a feasible way to connect to French Quarter but still be a bit different.

I know they already have the boat but would be awesome if they put in a street car to take you between the two sections

 

[AKL Ranger]

I just had a random thought. I've always said that I would never EVER stay at Port Orleans Riverside because, quite naturally, as a DOC, the "plantation mansion" theming has never sat well with me.

If they do decide to do a more thorough re-theming of that resort in the future as a way to further distance it from those connotations, I'm wondering if a Garden District theme would work. So while POFQ will remain themed after the French Quarter, POR will become POGD: Port Orleans Garden District. Think St. Charles Avenue and Streetcars. And in the process, they can finally transform Boatwrights into Tiana's Place.

Hey Brother @TresGriffin ,
I love your idea for a true retheming of the former "Dixie Landings" Port Orleans Riverside to the Garden District of New Orleans! Bravo. I stayed one time at French Quarter and vowed I would never stay at former Dixie Landings. As a Disney Authorized Agent, I knew how popular Dixie Landings was/still is with a certain segment of the Disney World resorts guests. Knowing there is a segment of the guests who enjoy staying there and its proximity to the French Quarter was stressful enough. The Disney Transport Bus rides were the worst experience, the odd stares from White children who acted as though they never saw a person of color up close. At the end of a long park day returning from Epcot, the White men in groups of White families returning from Epcot, having obviously drunk their way around the world, letting their "rebel spirits" and tongues loose making comments about the "South rising again" or "Why they/their family was sitting in the back of the bus." Although indirectly, the comment was directed at me as I was the only person of color (Black or Brown) on the Bus.
Although I was inside the Disney World Resort bubble, at those times, I realized how vulnerable I was, and yes I felt fear.

Looking forward, a Port Orleans: Garden district with cable car shuttles and a new restaurant themed to "Princess Tiana's Place" would be perfect.
I wonder how current fans of "Riverside" would react to a complete overhaul and retheming of Riverside Resort. Maybe we can be hopeful?

I guess this would be an interesting D.O.C.'s question,
How many D.O.C.'s and their families have ever stayed or would stay at Port Orleans Riverside resort?

In Peace, Love & Light
Your AKL Ranger,
Keeping Jambo House safe from poachers

 

[AKL Ranger]

America loses two civil rights movement icons hours apart, Friday, July 18, 2020
My heart is heavy for the families & colleagues of both Rep John Lewis and Rev. C.T. Vivian
Icons of the Civil Rights movement gave blood, sweat, & tears to teach everyone "to keep our eyes on the prize" equality & Justice for everyone, regardless of race could be
achieved, in peace.


Rep John lewis with former Presidents B.Obama and G.W. Bush
Hold hands in March 2015 for a prayer during a ceremony marking the 50th anniversary of the "Bloody Sunday" events at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Ala. | Gerald Herbert/AP Photo

This is a "spiritual" loss for America, still struggling with the demands for racial equality.
John Robert Lewis died at age 80.
Hours later Rev. Cordy Tindell "C.T." Vivian died at age 95 of natural causes. Both men died a day before the birthday of the late Nelson Mandela -- another champion of racial equality.
In 1961, Lewis became one of the 13 original Freedom Riders. There were seven whites and six blacks who were determined to ride from Washington, D.C., to New Orleans in an integrated fashion. At that time, several southern states continued to enforce laws prohibiting black and white riders from sitting next to each other on public transportation. The Freedom Ride, originated by the Fellowship of Reconciliation and revived by James Farmer and Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), was initiated to pressure the federal government to enforce the Supreme Court decision in Boynton v. Virginia (1960) that declared segregated interstate bus travel to be unconstitutional.
Mr Lewis went on to be elected Representative for Georgia's 5th congressional district from 1987 until his death. He was also the dean of the Georgia congressional delegation.
In 2011 Rep John Lewis was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
US Congressional Representative John Lewis was called "the conscious of the US congress."


[President Barack Obama awarding Rep John Lewis the Presidential Medal of Freedom. The Presidential Medal of Freedom is an award bestowed by the president of the United States to recognize people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors". The Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal are the highest civilian awards of the United States.]

Both men were the epitome of "good trouble" -- Lewis' favorite saying and approach to confronting injustices without violence. They worked alongside the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. at the forefront of the historic struggle for racial justice in the 1960s.


Martin Luther King Jr once called Rev. C.T. Vivian "the greatest Preacher that had ever lived."

Mr. Vivian was a Baptist minister and a member of Dr. King’s inner circle of advisers. He was the national director of some 85 local affiliate chapters of the S.C.L.C. from 1963 to 1966, directing protest activities and training in nonviolence as well as coordinating voter registration and community development projects.

In the spirit of Peace, Brotherhood, Love & Light.
AKL Ranger

"Be Bold, Be Brave and Get into Good trouble."
The Hon Rep John Lewis

 

[TheMaxRebo]

America loses two civil rights movement icons hours apart, Friday, July 18, 2020
My heart is heavy for the families & colleagues of both Rep John Lewis and Rev. C.T. Vivian
Icons of the Civil Rights movement gave blood, sweat, & tears to teach everyone "to keep our eyes on the prize" equality & Justice for everyone, regardless of race could be
achieved, in peace.

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Rep John lewis with former Presidents B.Obama and G.W. Bush
Hold hands in March 2015 for a prayer during a ceremony marking the 50th anniversary of the "Bloody Sunday" events at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Ala. | Gerald Herbert/AP Photo

This is a "spiritual" loss for America, still struggling with the demands for racial equality.
John Robert Lewis died at age 80.
Hours later Rev. Cordy Tindell "C.T." Vivian died at age 95 of natural causes. Both men died a day before the birthday of the late Nelson Mandela -- another champion of racial equality.
In 1961, Lewis became one of the 13 original Freedom Riders. There were seven whites and six blacks who were determined to ride from Washington, D.C., to New Orleans in an integrated fashion. At that time, several southern states continued to enforce laws prohibiting black and white riders from sitting next to each other on public transportation. The Freedom Ride, originated by the Fellowship of Reconciliation and revived by James Farmer and Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), was initiated to pressure the federal government to enforce the Supreme Court decision in Boynton v. Virginia (1960) that declared segregated interstate bus travel to be unconstitutional.
Mr Lewis went on to be elected Representative for Georgia's 5th congressional district from 1987 until his death. He was also the dean of the Georgia congressional delegation.
In 2011 Rep John Lewis was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
US Congressional Representative John Lewis was called "the conscious of the US congress."

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[President Barack Obama awarding Rep John Lewis the Presidential Medal of Freedom. The Presidential Medal of Freedom is an award bestowed by the president of the United States to recognize people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors". The Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal are the highest civilian awards of the United States.]

Both men were the epitome of "good trouble" -- Lewis' favorite saying and approach to confronting injustices without violence. They worked alongside the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. at the forefront of the historic struggle for racial justice in the 1960s.
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Martin Luther King Jr once called Rev. C.T. Vivian "the greatest Preacher that had ever lived."

Mr. Vivian was a Baptist minister and a member of Dr. King’s inner circle of advisers. He was the national director of some 85 local affiliate chapters of the S.C.L.C. from 1963 to 1966, directing protest activities and training in nonviolence as well as coordinating voter registration and community development projects.

In the spirit of Peace, Brotherhood, Love & Light.
AKL Ranger

"Be Bold, Be Brave and Get into Good trouble."
The Hon Rep John Lewis

I saw this today and what hit me (and maybe it shouldn't need to) but that sometimes it feels like things we learn is school/history/social studies are "so long ago" but reading about these individuals, they are of today. John Lewis was part of the March in Selma and was the son of sharecroppers ... out past isn't that far in the past

Unquestionably lives that impacted the nation and the world. RIP Rep. Jon Lewis and Rev. Cordy Tindell "C.T." Vivian

"It is the power in the way of peace, the way of love. We must never, ever hate. The way of love is a better way." - John Lewis

 

[Tonyz]

John Lewis was a giant. He was one of the best this country had to offer.

Keep on making good trouble, people.

And honor his legacy by voting.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

"Be Bold, Be Brave and Get into Good trouble."

I love this quote. I may try it out on my adult children as they rush out of the door.

 

[DisLiss]

I consider anything that leads to greater understanding to be a positive thing. I only discovered yesterday the origins of the phrase ‘nitty gritty’. Why didn’t I know this? If I had, I would never have used such a phrase.

I have been seeing more and more instances of this---"this" being a phrase or common saying being explained as having any numerous types of terrible origin stories behind them. But what I keep also finding is that along with sources that state "Oh yes, this phrase is absolutely awful. Don't ever use it!", there will also be other sources and articles stating that the current info being passed around is incorrect. And in fact, I immediately found an article from the UK claiming that the term "nitty gritty" was never seen in print until 1930 and has no clear origin at all, while also stating that the origin story currently being passed around isn't correct. https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html

Which leaves one in a quandary.....do you continue to use the phrase, and take the risk of offending people who believe it does have highly objectionable origins? And if you do offend someone, do you apologize and leave it at that, or do you add an explanation about what you found about whatever it is you said? Because on one hand, I'd be happy to share whatever I had learned, but on the other hand, I don't want the additional info to be viewed as a cancellation of the apology, because that's definitely not how I would want it to be seen. Or do you just stop using them, even if they truly aren't offensive in origin, because it's easier to not use them than to keep explaining the situation? Or in case it turns out that you (and your sources) really are wrong and whatever you said really is awful?

My husband likes to joke that my vocabulary is 100 years old. But with a language full of older sayings comes the chances that I have been unknowingly using phrases or words or sayings that I shouldn't, because the values of 100 years ago are not always values I share. I enjoy some fun with the English language, but don't wish to continue to fill my day to day language with figurative speech if it means that I might be saying something with a negative and offensive meaning.

But to answer your question of why we don't know these things.....I think most of the time no one knows or teaches us the background of the words and phrases they use, and you only find out accidentally or if one day you think to yourself "Why the heck do we say "It's raining cats & dogs??" or if some internet meme starts floating around giving supposed meaning to many sayings, only to find out half of those are wrong. For instance, in school, I was taught what the saying about cats & dogs means---terribly heavy rains, but not one word about where the saying came from.

Here are the cats & dogs answers, by the way. https://www.loc.gov/everyday-myster... dogs” may come,meant a cataract or waterfall.

Anyway, sorry for a huge long and winding post. Basically I think we all get surprised sometimes by the meaning behind things we have always said. And I also think that sometimes the meanings being passed around the internet aren't exactly true, which can complicate matters. So it basically becomes something we all need to research ourselves if we're concerned, which I've been finding myself doing more and more lately.

 

[DisLiss]

The founding fathers WERE jerks, though.

One of the best things I learned when my kids started school was that these days our school district doesn't try to hide this fact from the kids. They're taught all about the things the founding fathers did that had impacts on us as a country, both the good and the bad. And they hear about some of the ways in which they were flat out jerks as well. It's refreshing, really. I'm hoping this is something that's happening more and more with schools today. History isn't pretty and it isn't neat and it's not something we all view in exactly the same way.

 

[disneysteve]

One of the best things I learned when my kids started school was that these days our school district doesn't try to hide this fact from the kids. They're taught all about the things the founding fathers did that had impacts on us as a country, both the good and the bad. And they hear about some of the ways in which they were flat out jerks as well. It's refreshing, really. I'm hoping this is something that's happening more and more with schools today. History isn't pretty and it isn't neat and it's not something we all view in exactly the same way.

School in the US traditionally taught a very US-centric world view and a very white-centric national view. As demographics change, I think that's finally evolving.

I'll always remember years ago when we vacationed in Canada. In one town, there were a bunch of banners on the street celebrating some anniversary of the war of 1812. My daughter asked why they were doing that. She had studied the war in school and hadn't learned anything about Canada being involved. We looked it up and sure enough Canada had a significant role in the war, but it was never mentioned in the US textbooks.

Hopefully the curricula will continue to adapt and include a broader world view and show things from many points of view, not just the old rich white American guys.

 

[AKL Ranger]

I have been seeing more and more instances of this---"this" being a phrase or common saying being explained as having any numerous types of terrible origin stories behind them. But what I keep also finding is that along with sources that state "Oh yes, this phrase is absolutely awful. Don't ever use it!", there will also be other sources and articles stating that the current info being passed around is incorrect. And in fact, I immediately found an article from the UK claiming that the term "nitty gritty" was never seen in print until 1930 and has no clear origin at all, while also stating that the origin story currently being passed around isn't correct. https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html

Which leaves one in a quandary.....do you continue to use the phrase, and take the risk of offending people who believe it does have highly objectionable origins? And if you do offend someone, do you apologize and leave it at that, or do you add an explanation about what you found about whatever it is you said? Because on one hand, I'd be happy to share whatever I had learned, but on the other hand, I don't want the additional info to be viewed as a cancellation of the apology, because that's definitely not how I would want it to be seen. Or do you just stop using them, even if they truly aren't offensive in origin, because it's easier to not use them than to keep explaining the situation? Or in case it turns out that you (and your sources) really are wrong and whatever you said really is awful?

Hello
The best answer to the question of whether to stop using a ‘potentially’ offensive phrase or not depends on if you want to approach this as an ally?
As an ally, if something was brought to your attention; a phrase, joke, or statement and you later learned the phrase was potentially offensive. You have to ask yourself if you are generous of heart and spirit to say “Not only will I refuse to use that phrase/joke ever again, I will also take a stand to educate others the statement ‘maybe’ considered offensive.”
If there is a chance, the statement is not offensive. How willing are you to gamble and play the odds you won’t offend someone retelling the potentially offensive joke?
Years ago friends brought a new acquaintance to my home. The acquaintance began telling a ‘joke’, using a derogatory term for Polish ethnicity. I firmly made the statement please do not finish telling your joke. The acquaintance continued saying it was a “free country”. I put my foot down telling him “yes, this may be a free country, but the joke was in such poor taste, that it was offensive to Polish people. More importantly, this is my home and I do not permit derogatory jokes about people (race/color/physical ability or sexual orientation. Not in my presence, especially not in my own home!” Needless to say, the evening ended early, for him. The acquaintance was shown the door.
Are you willing to take a stand and be an ally?

Peace, Love & Light
AKL RANGER

 

[DisLiss]

Hello
The best answer to the question of to stop using a ‘potentially’ offensive phrase or not depends on if you want to approach this as an ally?
As an ally, if something was brought to your attention; a phrase, joke or statement and you later learned the phrase was potentially offensive. You have to ask yourself if you are generous of heart and spirit to say “Not only will I refuse to use that phrase/joke ever again, I will also take a stand to educate others the statement ‘maybe’ considered offensive.”
If there is a chance, the statement is not offensive. How willing are you to gamble and play the odds you won’t offend someone retelling the potentially offensive joke?

I totally agree with all of this. I keep trying to better explain what I mean, but I'm not finding a good way to explain it. I guess I don't want to accidentally participate in the spread of false information. There have absolutely been times when I learned the source of a word and stopped right away...one that stands out to me is to "gyp" someone. It was probably 20 years ago when I first realized the background of that, and I stopped using it.

I don't want to say or do things that would ever hurt anyone's feelings or offend anyone.---no matter who they are. So at the end of the day, I will remove something like "nitty gritty" (as mentioned in the first post about this) from my usable vocab, because I do fear people who read or hear that it means one thing would be upset hearing it still being used, whether the backstory is right or wrong. But I will also hope that situations in which possibly false backgrounds for words or phrases are being fabricated and shared would stop happening, too.