I'm talking more about how Florida has reacted to this. IMO once numbers started rising they should have pulled back on some openings and made masks mandatory. Instead they rushed to open in hopes the tourists would come and with cases rising they have stayed away.
I would assert that In many states, it has been a refuse to learn as we go situation. Fortunately in Florida, some of the local areas are in fact doing things that seem to be at least starting to work even though the state doesn't seem to be doing much.
Yup and I think many of kinda felt that was the reason or at least questioned the information given to us. I try not to overly criticize but that was really bungled even whilst understanding that supply issue. I just can't help but think how much more compliance we would have now if we had just been more encouraged to make our own in Feb/March/April. Even though in March and April and parts of May you still had people under stay at home orders once places reopened I've kinda thought mask usage would have been more prevalent as people moved around and got out and about more rather than the message being drilled too late for many places.
I'm explaining what I've been observing as it relates to the PP's comment about enforcement in the beginning. There was no enforcement in the beginning because our top medical expert told us we didn't need to at that time when we didn't have symptoms. I don't see the point in making it about me personally and I'll assume that you were speaking about me personally because you didn't use "general you". I'm just explaining here.
Sorry, you had said in the beginning that's what I was responding to. The beginning wouldn't be when cases are rising, by that point it would have been too late and by many people's opinions it would have been adopted too late in the game. Haven't many people been making the case that FL has time to do this and that when NY didn't if you're discussing specifically FL? That means masks would have been highly encouraged early on (like late March to a degree/April/May) and then moved to mandatory later on; not after already reopening. That's why I was discussing how the information was given to us.
Sadly I agree. I did expect some civil unrest, for better or worse we are a nation that at least feels comfortable at rebelling this or that but I'm not sure I was fully prepared for just how far it go when it comes to politics; its had its hand in so much of the decision making and I think I wasn't expecting that. That's as far as I could go in talking though given you know politics aspect.
I'm explaining what I've been observing as it relates to the PP's comment about enforcement in the beginning. There was no enforcement in the beginning because our top medical expert told us we didn't need to at that time when we didn't have symptoms. I don't see the point in making it about me personally and I'll assume that you were speaking about me personally because you didn't use "general you". I'm just explaining here.
To really understand you'd have to know how psychology works on people. Have you never had issues with trusting people once you've told one thing only turns out it was likely not that? Have you just always easily accepted something when presented with the opposite of what you were told? Have you never questioned what you were told? All rhetorical questions. I'm not about to make a claim that I haven't been like that. This issue may be one that I personally didn't feel that way but give me another issue and I could feel the complete opposite. And it works the opposite way too; in certain situations we can be too trusting to the point where we accept what someone says even if it causes harm to people (see Milgram's experiment for that) and ironically that is somewhat at play here with how people believe this and that about the virus.
I'd like to think people understand science changes but science intentionally is without emotion so we may have learned more about mask usage over time but that initial set up can keep that lasting impression. Whether you and I agree with that lasting impression it can be there looming in people's minds.
When people go with the extreme, as you've used, "necessary to kill people because you feel like you were lied to" you end up tuning people off. It comes off as dismissive rather than what you may be really hoping for it to be informative.
In the comment you quoted I even said "once that tune was adjusted yes more places should have jumped on board to at least really encourage masks and then later made them mandatory especially in May into June." So you've made an argument that I wasn't against
Gotcha no problem there then!
With all due respect if this is your degree then I'm not sure why you would even be questioning why it matters. You know why it matters even if you personally don't agree with the whys behind it.But, as far as the psychology, thanks, but that's my degree.
I don't think I can put a person that has lied to me in the same boat as a scientist or medical doctor. Have you ever gotten a diagnosis from your doctor, but it didn't fix your symptoms? Do you ignore everything else he told you? Do you go find another doctor? When you get a second diagnosis and it's different than the first doctor, what do you do? What if what he told you didn't alleviate your symptoms? Are they both lying to you?
I'm sure my comment about killing people turns you off, but I don't think you can say it turns all people off that are on these boards. There are lots of people on this board that are just as frustrated as I am by the inability of many people here that bring up excuse after excuse for the situation we are in but offer no solutions. They argue death statistics, percent positives, hospitalizations, etc. and make comparisons that this is no big deal. I think 150,000 deaths, most of them needless is a big deal, whether the death rate is rising or falling in Florida or anywhere in this country.
So now you have a clearer picture of what I think.
Who know maybe I could be totally wrong 
Gotcha no problem there then!
With all due respect if this is your degree then I'm not sure why you would even be questioning why it matters. You know why it matters even if you personally don't agree with the whys behind it.
It's not that it turns me off it's that it's an easy go to to get a reaction. People are nuanced and IMO deserve more introspection and consideration for who they are as a person than a quick easy jab. Now is the time to bring people all together not aim at separating them out creating more friction and chances for someone to stick with their ways; give people more information on mask usage and its effects, coax more compliance by showing how it can become a habit, encourage them not "is it worth killing someone" venue. But that's just my opinion. Wouldn't this be a great study on how to get mask compliance? Which ways are more likely to gain compliance for this particular issue. I think so
But from a psychology background you know at least several reasons why the initial message has led to certain reactions. You asked me why that initial reason matters. Well having that background should have already given you insight into why people are the way they are so yes bit confused why you were questioning that (that's neither here nor there don't really think we would want to go back and forth on that point any longer).
And with that moving along personally speaking in the discussion no disrespect meant But from a psychology background you know at least several reasons why the initial message has led to certain reactions. You asked me why that initial reason matters. Well having that background (which I have some as well) should have already given you insight into why people are the way they are so yes bit confused why you were questioning that (that's neither here nor there don't really think we would want to go back and forth on that point any longer). That didn't translate into being frustrated or not which wasn't your original point. If frustration was the original point then absolutely I'm frustrated too but my comment you were quoting was explaining how we got people out there who distrust this and that is important to why there wasn't a large enmasse early adoption to mask wearing; that's all
I would not say "a lot". Some, maybe, but not "a lot". A lot of lives would be saved, even now, if people would just use common sense and stop going to parties or other gatherings in someone else's home. like in Mississippi, where over 80% of COVID positive patients admitted they attended a social gathering. Or in Miami where the more COVID surged the more people partied. It's tempting to just call it a thinning of the herd, but those idiots need to get groceries at some point. That's why mask and physical mandates are needed, but the cases where someone working at a grocery store gets it are a very small minority by comparison, even before the mandates.
I really wish that more of what is being mandated would be based on what we've learned. Yes, masks and physical distancing works to control the spread, INDOORS. We have known since before it even started to be a problem in the US that it is not being spread OUTSIDE where there is plenty of ventilation. The other thing we need to remember is, even after all this time, only about 1%-2% of the population has tested positive. Yes, that means that this is far from over, but also that means you can stop freaking out and being the COVID cop every time someone's nose pops out from behind a mask. I've got no problem wearing a mask full time, indoors and out in a place like Disney where they are going above and beyond just to be open, but the mask shaming anywhere else has just brought out the worst in society. And yes, I think the uneven, sometimes nonsensical rules and mandates (and sometimes lack thereof) have a lot to do with that.
It goes both ways. Yes, the knob who refuses to wear a mask in a grocery store is wrong. After all, everyone wearing a mask indoors is the right thing to do, and the only way the grocery store can be open. What about the people who are berating their neighbors because they aren't wearing masks while walking their dogs, or going to the beach, or really any setting outside where giving someone 6' distance (the length of a dog leash BTW) is almost hard not to do? They are equally wrong IMHO.
