Marathon Weekend 2022

[Herding_Cats]

What are the chances they'll have 2 spirit jerseys like they did for W&D? We are gonna be there Wednesday by noon and I'm so paranoid they'll be sold out of them by then.

 

[lookingforsunshine]

I love the marathon tank but I feel weird buying a race shirt before I finish the race (feels like bad luck and I’m already not confident).

 

[WhereInFlorida]

I am doing 2 clif bloks every 3 miles, which lines up nicely with the water stations. Hopefully will have them out, chewed by the time I get to the water to rinse them down. Also alternate between the salted watermelon and then the caffeinated black cherry.

 

[jrsharp21]

Okay, I am confused on the road closure maps. Can someone layout the best way to get to Epcot from the Disney Springs hotels (5k & 10k) and also from Port Orleans Riverside (half & full)?

 

[LSUfan4444]

I love the marathon tank but I feel weird buying a race shirt before I finish the race (feels like bad luck and I’m already not confident).

As long as it dosnt say "Finisher" buy it and wear it proudly. Whether you finish or not, wear the shirt with pride.

 

[Drewferin]

I keep watching the DVC room availability to see if people are canceling their race weekend due to Omni / covid concerns, but there doesn't seem to be alot of movement. Currently have a Pop room booked but hoping to get a DVC room.

 

[jmasgat]

Okay, I am confused on the road closure maps. Can someone layout the best way to get to Epcot from the Disney Springs hotels (5k & 10k) and also from Port Orleans Riverside (half & full)?

For 5k, From Disney Springs hotels (which I am taking to mean off-site Hotel Blvd) , you could take Buena Vista to Bonnet Creek Pkwy to Epcot Center Drive (the "normal" way to approach). For 10k, same way--but you have to avoid the Epcot Ctr Drive offramp closing at 4 am. Or depending on where your hotel is, you could jump on I-4 at Apopka Vineland (535) and go one exit to Epcot, (or even follow Disney's instructions and just take I-4 to World Drive North and exit at Epcot.)

For the half and full, you are going to need to approach Epcot differently. From POR, take Bonnet Creek Parkway to Buena Vista to World Drive North then exit at Epcot. For the half, you need to do this before the World Dr closes at 4:30 am.

Be prepared for traffic and leave as early as you can stand.

Clear as mud?

 

[kidmd]

On driving to races… I almost always stay at Wyndham Bonnet Creek and just take Buena Vista to World Dr to get to EP. I try to leave my resort within 15 minutes of when resort race buses start running. Never seen either road closed or backed up. The only traffic I’ve ever hit was 2020 marathon, when the exit off World to the EP parking was backed up almost up to World Dr. Looked bad, but moved fine & I was through it and parking within 20 minutes.

On weather… now that I’ve accepted the heat and committed to warm weather outfits, the forecast is changing. You’re welcome.

I love Wyndham Bonnet Creek, especially after the races, the drive is so quick down backstage lane to Chelonia. We'll be staying there again this year.

 

[nekonekoneko]

I keep watching the DVC room availability to see if people are canceling their race weekend due to Omni / covid concerns, but there doesn't seem to be alot of movement. Currently have a Pop room booked but hoping to get a DVC room.

Unless DVC has modified their cancellation policy, again, then any DVC reservations canceled now would have their points go into holding, which is very disadvantageous for the points owner. Any kind of late wave would've been done between Thanksgiving and the first week of December.

 

[Herding_Cats]

Unless DVC has modified their cancellation policy, again, then any DVC reservations canceled now would have their points go into holding, which is very disadvantageous for the points owner. Any kind of late wave would've been done between Thanksgiving and the first week of December.

I keep watching the DVC room availability to see if people are canceling their race weekend due to Omni / covid concerns, but there doesn't seem to be alot of movement. Currently have a Pop room booked but hoping to get a DVC room.

your best bet would probably be to join some dvc fb groups or through a broker at this point

 

[nekonekoneko]

The marathon will be the worst of the races to get to from BLT. Some of the road--especially from World Drive to Epcot Center Drive--will be closed starting Saturday night. Do NOT count on your phone driving directions. If you really want to drive, leave super early (2:30-3:00) and go World Drive to Vista Blvd. You can take Vista to Bonnet Creek to Buena Vista to World Drive to Epcot Center Drive . Buena Vista can be awful with race traffic, though. So another option is to jump on I-4 to Osceola to World Drive (You can do this by turning onto Buena Vista from Bonnet Creek and then go right onto Epcot Center Drive heading towards I-4).

Anyone with you will end up in the Epcot parking lot and can go where they want.

I'm coming from WL, so this seems to be pretty much the same route to take to get to the start. That could give us a chance to rest in the car before it's go time!

 

[Drewferin]

Unless DVC has modified their cancellation policy, again, then any DVC reservations canceled now would have their points go into holding, which is very disadvantageous for the points owner. Any kind of late wave would've been done between Thanksgiving and the first week of December.

I agree, however if people aren't planning on coming now "Holding" points are better than no points.

 

[Mr_Incr3dible]

I keep watching the DVC room availability to see if people are canceling their race weekend due to Omni / covid concerns, but there doesn't seem to be alot of movement. Currently have a Pop room booked but hoping to get a DVC room.

I've been keeping an eye out to see if anything opens at Pop.

Found this for the car, but only for the trip back.

 

[cburnett11]

Weather update for all races:

5k - 121 to 121 for 5-7am
10k - 122-122 for 5-8am
HM - 105-111 for 5-10am
M - 117-137 for 5am-1pm

The T+D has dropped for all four races from Tuesday's forecast. At this moment, the barometric pressure is showing an increasing trend from Thurs to Sat coinciding with a drop in humidity (dew point). So the HM is getting close to near ideal temps, and the start of the M isn't that bad. Even the end of the M is now far far better than 2020. Not ideal temps like are seen some years, but not bad temps either.

Keep working your magic here and maybe we can get that marathon temperature down some more. @PrincessV please keep your warm clothes packed for now as they appear to be doing what we need them to do!

You're aiming for the 2023 Boston race. If the improvement of the registrations from runners continues from the trend line developed in 2015, then the line crosses 2023 somewhere around 9 min from 2012 standards. So that would be an estimation of about BQ-4 min from current standards. Whether that trend line continues after the pandemic remains to be seen.

Another data point is that the 2022 Boston Marathon entrants did not have to exceed posted qualifying times. The field was announced at 30,000 participants and I'd assume 24,000 of those are time qualifiers. I believe it is typically pegged at 80% of the participants. Demand (relative to slots) was likely down to a number of factors (pandemic & travel, timing (Boston just ran in October), some hot fall qualifying races, etc.) I'm not sure what my point in this is other than I agree with the estimate you gave, but you just never know what variables might factor in. Until life returns back to "normal", there are plenty of factors that can skew this badly... as you stated above.

BAA had mentioned in the fall that the 2022 would not be a full field, but then they seemed to reverse that shortly afterwards. The qualifying window was also huge (~2 years again), so many people I know (including me) thought there would be some "cut-off" time for 2022... especially given the 7:47 cutoff for 2021. When registration began, some threads I follow started predicting cut off times. They were all over the board. However, there were some saying NO cut off, with their reason being that the BAA had sent out reminder emails for people to register and they had never seen that happen in the past. Because of these uncharacteristic emails, the assumption was that demand (relative to the race slots) was not as high as previously though.

Having said all of that, @GreatLakes I think a decent strategy is to plan to run the race at 5 minutes under BQ pace (which would work for that BQ-4). In normal years that should work. If the goal is to BQ, I wouldn't push beyond that pace until you know you are able to finish strong(er)... like 3-4 miles or less left. If you feel super strong, it's probably okay very late to push for a little better. But if you go too soon, and the wheels come off, it's pretty easy to turn a 5 minute buffer into little to no cushion. When I first ran a BQ time, my pacer friends told me to absolutely not leave my pacers until the last few miles. They said the 20 mile mark would be too early and they had sadly seen others crumble after leaving their pace groups too soon. It's all based on your goal. If the goal is to run your fastest at all costs, then by all means take a shot early if you are feeling good. But if the main goal is to BQ, then stick to your race plan pace until you are at the point you can't screw up the buffer that you've earned over 20+ miles of smart/hard racing. Just my 2 cents.

 

[DopeyBadger]

The field was announced at 30,000 participants and I'd assume 24,000 of those are time qualifiers. I believe it is typically pegged at 80% of the participants.

That is correct.

https://www.baa.org/qualifier-acceptances-announced-2022-boston-marathon
There were less than 24,000 who submitted, and all 24,000 were accepted.

Per this:

https://findmymarathon.com/boston-marathon-qualifying-times.php
In 2020, there were 27,288 applicants
In 2019, 30,458
In 2018, 28,260
In 2017, 26,171
In 2016, 28,594
In 2015, 25,493

So under 24,000 is about 3900 runners less than average. Which would help explain the absence of beating the time qualifying position. That number would suggest maybe something like a 2 min or so cutoff compared to 2020, and the linear relationship would have predicted something closer to 3 min.

But if the main goal is to BQ, then stick to your race plan pace until you are at the point you can't screw up the buffer that you've earned over 20+ miles of smart/hard racing. Just my 2 cents.

Very good advice.

 

[Livelovedance]

I think I’ve said this before, but if anyone’s going to the expo early in the week and is willing to pick up some extra things, please let me know!

I’ve never done anything like this before, but I’d be willing to pay for the help! I’d like some things for my first marathon but I can’t be there until Saturday so I’m guessing everything will be gone by then. I’d rather support someone here than the excessive eBay shoppers.

If all goes well I could return the favor at Princess weekend!

 

[Mr_Incr3dible]

I think I’ve said this before, but if anyone’s going to the expo early in the week and is willing to pick up some extra things, please let me know!

I’ve never done anything like this before, but I’d be willing to pay for the help! I’d like some things for my first marathon but I can’t be there until Saturday so I’m guessing everything will be gone by then. I’d rather support someone here than the excessive eBay shoppers.

If all goes well I could return the favor at Princess weekend!

I will be there Wed evening

 

[jrsharp21]

For 5k, From Disney Springs hotels (which I am taking to mean off-site Hotel Blvd) , you could take Buena Vista to Bonnet Creek Pkwy to Epcot Center Drive (the "normal" way to approach). For 10k, same way--but you have to avoid the Epcot Ctr Drive offramp closing at 4 am. Or depending on where your hotel is, you could jump on I-4 at Apopka Vineland (535) and go one exit to Epcot, (or even follow Disney's instructions and just take I-4 to World Drive North and exit at Epcot.)

For the half and full, you are going to need to approach Epcot differently. From POR, take Bonnet Creek Parkway to Buena Vista to World Drive North then exit at Epcot. For the half, you need to do this before the World Dr closes at 4:30 am.

Be prepared for traffic and leave as early as you can stand.

Clear as mud?

Thank you. I plan on leaving the hotel for the 5k and 10k around 3am. For the half and full, by 2:30am.

 

[dobball23]

It looks like the Runner Tracking link on the Event Guide is now live: https://track.rtrt.me/e/WDW-WDW-2022

When I searched for my name it said the list of runners was still being finalized.

 

[RunWI1265]

I think I’ve said this before, but if anyone’s going to the expo early in the week and is willing to pick up some extra things, please let me know!

I’m planning to be there at open on Wednesday. I can grab some things for you. Granted this is all assuming I arrive Tuesday as scheduled. I’m on the last flight out of my town so I’m approaching with caution!

All this talk about road closures and driving has 1000% freaked me out from renting a car