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Do they have a Customer Service email address or phone #. Maybe they will tell you what exactly the problem is:confused3

I was going to order a couple tonight, but i will hold off. Your doing a great job:thumbsup2
They do. Unfortunately, I deleted their emails and my designs when I thought there was nothing that could be done. Maybe it's better to just leave well enough alone and see if some guys actually get their shirts!
 
I just checked the status of my order & it changed from ordered to processed. Next up is production if they don't kick it back...

I just checked again, and overnight it went from processed to quality assurance to in the shipping queue to be shipped out this morning, per my 2nd email from them.
 
Christopher, these are some awesome pictures! And these look very familiar from what I recall of my childhood pictures. You've inspired me: next time I'm at my mom's I'm going to rummage through the old photo albums!

Thanks Dave. I'm looking forward to see what you find when you do get to go through them. :)

I wonder if different people in the design department are interpreting the rules differently? This going to be interesting.

Perhaps - or perhaps it's really is because I didn't include the website info on mine. As I re-read through the rules, just saying The DIS DAD's Club is akin to saying The Lingren Family Reunion - it's just a group of people. But adding a URL, seems to make it a business related type of thing. We'll see. But between posting earlier this morning via my phone before dropping DW's van off for service this morning and getting to the office and on my computer - my order has now shipped.

257 and were still here? :lmao:

And we'll keep going until it gets shut off. As Barry said - we did get up to 283 pages with the last one.

1] Dole Whip...well as I said last night...I had made 2 Qts of Dole Whip mix...and it turned out semi-runny...but I only used 1qt of it...so tonight is round 2...same mix ratio of H2O to Dole...except for about 30 minutes I chilled this mix in the freezer. Tonight it turned our perfect. :thumbsup2 Forgot to take a picture...sorry.

So glad it turned out perfectly this time... now you've inspired me to seriously consider getting a machine myself instead of hinting around for Father's Day.

I had a great evening. We enrolled my daughter in Goldfish Swim School and it was her first class. She is almost 2 and has been in the water many times but this is very different and they do a great job getting the kids to do different activities to work up to swimming. The best part was my wife sat in the parents room and watched and I got in the water with DD.:thumbsup2 We had a great time. In case your wondering who the girl is on the donation site it is my daughter. She is not sick but she is a kid so I used what I had.

Very cool stuff. And she's adorable BTW!

Not sure what to call it but I am posting from Gatlinburg. DW had a meeting scheduled Monday (during Spring Break - yuk!) which put us a few hours closer to Gatlinburg. So, through another vacation exchange (not saying which) we picked up a few days in a 2 bedroom in Gatlinburg. I'm not sure if I can upload pics on this computer as I never installed the software. I'll try tomorrow. All I can say is WOW feakin' :jumping1: WOW! We usually stay in studios, even with DVC points, because we can stretch the points for 2 stays a year. However, after a few days of this, I am not sure. The dds have their own bedroom and their own TV in their own room. DW wife and I have a jacuzzi tub in our own bedroom. I'm not sure if having a 1 bedroom and 1 trip to WDW trumps a studio and 2 trips to WDW.

All I can say is we have to have a 1BR (since we're 5) - but yeah, wow. I love it. It is great having the extra space. When we went in January we took my folks and had a 2 BR at AKV - and I could actually see us doing that for just us in a couple more years as the boys get taller and bigger. The extra beds and bathroom will certainly come in handy. And being able to have our "own" spaces is very nice. That - or you just add more points. :rotfl:

I think we make this an annual April fundraiser and by this time next year the moms club will have grown to a size were we actually could have a competition. :thumbsup2

24 hours into the into the GKTW Fundraiser and we have a grand total of $250.00!!!! Way to go Dads!

Even higher this morning. Way to go guys.

:lmao:I bought 6 + 1 that is sent to the house. I also bought a 8x10 from the paper.

I'm sure I'll recieve alot more from people I know:scared1:

Our DD made it into our local paper last summer. Each summer our church partners with the local Habitat for Humanity chapter to build 3-5 houses and the reporter was there and captured my DD "hammering" in a nail, using one of the squishy toy hammers they were handing out to all of the little kids. It was very cute. We got 5 or 6 copies ourselves... and then were given about 2 dozen by friends. We were then able to share with all of the far away grandparents, aunts & uncles that way. It was neat.

I read DD her nightly Harry Potter chapter. As always, when we finished she wanted to know what the next chapter was. We had the following conversation
Me: "Aboard the Hogwarts Express"
DD: I want to go to Hogwarts.
Me: You can't - it doesn't exist. And besides, you're not eleven yet.
DD: There's the theme park. Can I go there?
Me: Maybe when you turn eleven.
DD: But Daddy, you said it's not real, so I don't have to wait until I'm eleven. I want to go now.
(At this point, I am working VERY hard to avoid breaking into a huge grin, because I know that she is "going to Hogwarts," in just under six months.)
Me: Go to sleep sweetheart. Maybe you can go when you turn eleven.

Oh - she has absolutely NO CLUE.
She's watched all of the teasers about WWoHP that are on the Half-Blood Prince Blu-Ray disc, and whenever she says anything about it, I completely play it off. It's too far away. It's really expensive. It's not open yet - they haven't even finished building it yet.

The thing is that we have a lot of family that live far from us. As a result, this trip to Universal/Disney will be the first family vacation we've ever taken that wasn't for the purpose of visiting family. I just don't know that I'm going to be able to take six more months of the disappointment in her voice about not getting to go.

But I also can't wait to walk into her bedroom EARLY in the morning on October 1, with the video camera rolling, to tell her that she needs to get up and get dressed, so that we can make our flight to Hogwarts and Disney World.

Very cool. I have absolutely loved that special time of reading with my kids - going through the different stages from the board books, through Dr. Seuss, et al and then eventually into the different chapter books, etc. It's such a special time that they definitely look forward to. That's very cool that your daughter is captivated by it too. And that she really wants to make some of the magic of the stories come alive. I hope that you ARE successful with your surprise, because that will be really, really special.


As for the Scotty comment, this had me :rotfl2: and all I could think of was "I'm givin her all I've got Captain, I can't push her no more"

:rotfl::lmao: :thumbsup2


I don't know how to post links to other threads. I know other DIS Dads are DVC members, so I'm just posting my original thoughts here. Though, i'm not sure if i want people to AGREE with me, or DISAGREE, but here's my copy/pasted post.

Instead of reading DIS during lunch, I used excel to figure out how much DVC would cost me. I used the following estimates
300 pts at $112/point, no interest on the $33,600, and a 2.5% increase on maintenence fees per year, starting at $4.12 for year 1.

Anyway, thanks to excel, I found my "total-total" after 50 years: I'm giving Disney $178,364.60. This breaks down to $297.27 per month.

I will still take the tour in December, but from a standpoint of i don't know what I'm going to be doing in 10 years, much less 30 or 40, I'm thinking DVC may NOT be right for me.

I also compared the Rack Rate to DVC (with the same 2.5 % annual increase.) The savings of a vacation every year is over $130,000. But if I didn't have DVC, I wouldn't go to WDW every year, so it isn't a fair comparison.

Just wondering if anyone else looked at DVC from a numbers standpoint like this.

First of all - DVC is NOT for every family. If you are not a family that goes to a Disney resort annually, or at least once every couple of years, then it probably won't make much sense for you. It's also probably not going to make a lot of sense for you if you are a family that does go, but is constantly staying only at the values, or is constantly trying to score an "awesome deal" (Free Dining quickly comes to mind). But - if you are a family who goes to WDW or DL regularly, and prefer to stay in moderate to deluxe level accomodations, ... and want the option of staying in currently 10 (soon to be 11) different DVC resorts just by using your points to do so then DVC very well COULD be for you. I can't recall if you've mentioned how large your family is previously or not, and don't see it in your signature, so I can't say - but speaking as the head of a family of 5 - two of which are growing boys - the extra space that DVC provides is very important to us. Sure we could stay in the Family Suites at ASMu - but honestly they just don't compare with what a 1BR or larger villa provides. We're also a family who likes to eat in our room throughout our stay (many breakfasts, some dinners) - and you just can't do that nicely without a full kitchen.

DVC is a timeshare, plain and simple, and as a timeshare does have related maintenance dues that are due annually, for the life of the contract. However, DVC is much more flexible than many of the other timeshare brands out there. Instead of buying a set week, you determine how and when you use your points. If you don't (or can't) use points in a given year, bank them into the next one and then take a longer vacation, more vacations or upgrade to larger accomodations. Or, there is an active, viable rental market of people that do rent DVC members' points. Those rental dollars could then be used to offset (or fully cover) your maintenance fees for the year.

Just as a cursory glance, your calculations aren't quite right. I can look back over my numbers and see how we reviewed it all and dialog with you via PM if you'd like - because YEAH, we looked at it financially very closely, and it did make sense for us. First and foremost - rack rates at the traditional hotels have not increased by a mere 2.5% annually, but more like 4% annually, and are projected to creep upwards of 4.5-5% annually in the future. Dues have been more like 2.5-3% annually.

BUT - once that initial cost is paid, and you've effectively met your individual break-even point in trips, then your go-forward cost of accomodations is only the annual dues amount, which when broken down on a per night basis generally means you can stay in deluxe villas at a value price.

Another beautiful part of the DVC system is that DVC in general retains it's value and is a lot easier to sell if you need or want to down the line vs. many other traditional timeshares. My FIL has 8 non-DVC timeshares and has tried to sell 3 of his and couldn't even give them away. Nobody was interested at all. But I have a couple of friends who just tried to sell their DVC contracts (1 for financial reasons, 1 to down-size her DVC portfolio) and both had offers in less than a week and are now currently waiting on the Disney's ROFR process.

As an alternative - if you don't want to pay Disney's premium pricing on points, there is an active resale market where you could pick up points at a discounted price. Disney seems to raise their per point price annually (they've gone up from $96 to $112 per point just since we joined). And it really doesn't matter how you acquire points, because once you get them, you're treated just the same - you're a DVC member.

Another thing to consider is that perhaps you really don't need to buy 300+ points outright from the get go. Through banking and borrowing, if you don't plan to go every year, you could get by with less than that and still have enough points for your individual trip needs.

There are a litany of perks & discounts available to DVC members (though never buy for the perks as they can and do change often), one of the best current ones is a $100 discount on annual passes. Even if you didn't travel multiple times throughout the year of the pass, they could work out cheaper than buying some of the various passes. Many members will get the AP at the beginning of one trip and then plan a return trip say a week or two earlier the next year to effectively stretch their admission dollar further. Another great discount, as an AP holder is the Tables in Wonderland card, which gets you 20% off table service meals throughout WDW - including appetizers and alcoholic beverages - so if those are your thing, then it tends to work out much better than the DDP where neither is included. The tip is automatically included with TIW, but out of pocket with DDP. We did the TIW card in January with a party of 7 and came out ahead by almost than $200 when I ran the number comparison when we got home. I'm thinking our DDP days are over.

And of course there are other options that you can use your DVC points for if you so choose. DCL cruises, Adventures by Disney excursions, Disney international destinations, Disney is currently building a new resort in Hawaii that is slated to have a DVC component to it, and you can trade out your points to hundreds of RCI locations around the world. There are lots of options for those years you don't go to WDW or DL.

But as I said, we can chat PM style if you'd like.
 
But as I said, we can chat PM style if you'd like.

One more thing unclescrooge - I would DEFINITELY plan on taking the tour still in December, even if you don't think the numbers work for you. There's nothing quite like seeing something on paper and then seeing it real life. This was huge for my DW. We took the tour more than once before she finally agreed that DVC was right for us, and she's a very frugal lady. A big selling point for her really came down to the fact that we can do laundry in our own room (1 BR's and larger) and not pay like $2 or $3 per wash, another $2 or $3 per dry and another $1 or so for a single use box of detergent. Pre-DVC we would spend like $20 alone on washing mid-trip. Now we pack much less, have our own detergent with us, and can wash nightly if we so choose and she's a happy woman. And those whirpool tubs in the master bathrooms... that was another huge plus in her book.

The average traditional hotel room at WDW is about 320 sf. The average studio is a bit larger at somewhere between 340-350 sf. The 1 BR's average about 750-800ish, and the 2BR's are between 1,050-1300ish with the full on 3 BR Grand Villas ranging from 2,000-2,400 sf. You definitely get a lot more space when you stay in DVC villas.

We stayed in a Treehouse in January (as well as a 2 BR at AKV). Both can accomodate 9 in a single room. The Family Suites at ASMu only accomodate 6. We were able to take my folks along (7 in total) and were very, very comfortable in both villas. I saw you posted over on the DVC Ops board and that's great. Hopefully you'll get more insightful responses than what's already there, but yes, definitely at least take the tour.
 
It's so quiet in here today...

You are right Chris...where is everyone????!!! I am getting ready to head to work this evening...yep it is another call night...At least before I go in at 230 Shari and the kids and I are going to be able to enjoy some sunshine...ahhhhh spring!!!
 
It's so quiet in here today...

I'm at home playing with the kids, so I'm not on much. Rainy and cold outside (83° a few days ago, snow tonight - gotta love Wisconsin in the Spring) so Evan and Madison are using Handy Manny's tools to set up the monorail track.
 
It's so quiet in here today...

Just stopping in after lunch.. already mowed the lawn (first time this year), went to autozone, and made lunch. About to go play outside for the rest of the day.. it is already 85 here. They are saying we could break some inland records which are around 90. We'll see!
 
I've been working - trying to avoid having to take a last-minute trip to Denver tomorrow.
 
You are right Chris...where is everyone????!!! I am getting ready to head to work this evening...yep it is another call night...At least before I go in at 230 Shari and the kids and I are going to be able to enjoy some sunshine...ahhhhh spring!!!

they made me work this morning!!!:mad:
 
One more thing unclescrooge - I would DEFINITELY plan on taking the tour still in December, even if you don't think the numbers work for you. There's nothing quite like seeing something on paper and then seeing it real life. This was huge for my DW. We took the tour more than once before she finally agreed that DVC was right for us, and she's a very frugal lady. A big selling point for her really came down to the fact that we can do laundry in our own room (1 BR's and larger) and not pay like $2 or $3 per wash, another $2 or $3 per dry and another $1 or so for a single use box of detergent. Pre-DVC we would spend like $20 alone on washing mid-trip. Now we pack much less, have our own detergent with us, and can wash nightly if we so choose and she's a happy woman. And those whirpool tubs in the master bathrooms... that was another huge plus in her book.

The average traditional hotel room at WDW is about 320 sf. The average studio is a bit larger at somewhere between 340-350 sf. The 1 BR's average about 750-800ish, and the 2BR's are between 1,050-1300ish with the full on 3 BR Grand Villas ranging from 2,000-2,400 sf. You definitely get a lot more space when you stay in DVC villas.

We stayed in a Treehouse in January (as well as a 2 BR at AKV). Both can accomodate 9 in a single room. The Family Suites at ASMu only accomodate 6. We were able to take my folks along (7 in total) and were very, very comfortable in both villas. I saw you posted over on the DVC Ops board and that's great. Hopefully you'll get more insightful responses than what's already there, but yes, definitely at least take the tour.

nicely put stopher. when we bought 11 years ago it was $58 per point, we didnt even look at how the $ of rooms and dvc would go up. so, if you plug my numbers in, the value gets even better. alot of people look at what it cost today, not what it will be in the future. but i agree 100 percent, its not for everyone. we use every point and then some. i added up the aprox. total i will pay dvc and divide it by the number of years and i come out to about $1600 to $1800 per year. which i stay in a 2 bedroom villa for 10 nights. and with the ap discount, divide that by the number of days it cost me about $18 per day in the parks per person!!! we saved alot of money just in food and laundry having the villa. but , we are diehards!!!! :thumbsup2
 
It's so quiet in here today...
The 3rd grade teacher had to leave her classroom for a few minutes. On returning, she found the children in perfect order. Everybody was sitting absolutely quiet.

She was shocked and absolutely stunned. She said "I've never seen anything like it before. This is wonderful. But, please tell me, what came over all of you? Why are you so well behaved and quiet?"

Finally, after much urging, little Julie spoke up and said, "Well, one time you said that if you ever came back and found us quiet, you would drop dead." :rotfl2:
 
One more thing unclescrooge - I would DEFINITELY plan on taking the tour still in December, even if you don't think the numbers work for you. There's nothing quite like seeing something on paper and then seeing it real life. This was huge for my DW. We took the tour more than once before she finally agreed that DVC was right for us, and she's a very frugal lady. A big selling point for her really came down to the fact that we can do laundry in our own room (1 BR's and larger) and not pay like $2 or $3 per wash, another $2 or $3 per dry and another $1 or so for a single use box of detergent. Pre-DVC we would spend like $20 alone on washing mid-trip. Now we pack much less, have our own detergent with us, and can wash nightly if we so choose and she's a happy woman. And those whirpool tubs in the master bathrooms... that was another huge plus in her book.

The average traditional hotel room at WDW is about 320 sf. The average studio is a bit larger at somewhere between 340-350 sf. The 1 BR's average about 750-800ish, and the 2BR's are between 1,050-1300ish with the full on 3 BR Grand Villas ranging from 2,000-2,400 sf. You definitely get a lot more space when you stay in DVC villas.

We stayed in a Treehouse in January (as well as a 2 BR at AKV). Both can accomodate 9 in a single room. The Family Suites at ASMu only accomodate 6. We were able to take my folks along (7 in total) and were very, very comfortable in both villas. I saw you posted over on the DVC Ops board and that's great. Hopefully you'll get more insightful responses than what's already there, but yes, definitely at least take the tour.

Stopher, Thank you very much. All of your information is helpful. It's the things like this that play in the background of my head. And as December gets closer, (and I get my new Dream book in the mail) I'll likely send you a billion PM's about specific details on DVC, as it seems like you a) know a little what you're talking about and b) have been a DVC member long enough to have decided if it's a mistake.

nicely put stopher. when we bought 11 years ago it was $58 per point, we didnt even look at how the $ of rooms and dvc would go up. so, if you plug my numbers in, the value gets even better. alot of people look at what it cost today, not what it will be in the future. but i agree 100 percent, its not for everyone. we use every point and then some. i added up the aprox. total i will pay dvc and divide it by the number of years and i come out to about $1600 to $1800 per year. which i stay in a 2 bedroom villa for 10 nights. and with the ap discount, divide that by the number of days it cost me about $18 per day in the parks per person!!! we saved alot of money just in food and laundry having the villa. but , we are diehards!!!! :thumbsup2

I think i'm a diehard, but i KNOW that the DW is not. She doesn't travel well, so planes are out, and 16 hrs in the minivan will be tough as our 4 get older (DS7, DS5, DS 2(almost3), and "Nugget":yay: (due 9/14, we find out on 4/15 if it's DS or DD)
So that's another item to consider.
Plus, if the resale market is so active (as the DVC board suggests) then that leads me to believe that many have bough DVC, and decided it WASN'T for them, which makes me nervous.
 
My Zazzles Shirt got rejected...

I replied asking for more detail as to what caused the rejection. :confused3
 
nicely put stopher. when we bought 11 years ago it was $58 per point, we didnt even look at how the $ of rooms and dvc would go up. so, if you plug my numbers in, the value gets even better. alot of people look at what it cost today, not what it will be in the future. but i agree 100 percent, its not for everyone. we use every point and then some. i added up the aprox. total i will pay dvc and divide it by the number of years and i come out to about $1600 to $1800 per year. which i stay in a 2 bedroom villa for 10 nights. and with the ap discount, divide that by the number of days it cost me about $18 per day in the parks per person!!! we saved alot of money just in food and laundry having the villa. but , we are diehards!!!! :thumbsup2

Thanks. Yeah - I first started looking at DVC way back when it was brand spanking new, having received literature about it in 1991 just after OKW opened. Then again when we were there on our honeymoon I wanted to ... but as they say, it's water under the bridge. We wouldn't be able to go to WDW as often as we do, and have as nice of accomodations for a long as we do without DVC, plain and simple. Pre-paid accomodations at "today's" prices. Your "today's price" was phenomenal certainly by current pricing, but you're right - who knows what the then current pricing will be in say 10 more years.
 
Stopher, Thank you very much. All of your information is helpful. It's the things like this that play in the background of my head. And as December gets closer, (and I get my new Dream book in the mail) I'll likely send you a billion PM's about specific details on DVC, as it seems like you a) know a little what you're talking about and b) have been a DVC member long enough to have decided if it's a mistake.



I think i'm a diehard, but i KNOW that the DW is not. She doesn't travel well, so planes are out, and 16 hrs in the minivan will be tough as our 4 get older (DS7, DS5, DS 2(almost3), and "Nugget":yay: (due 9/14, we find out on 4/15 if it's DS or DD)
So that's another item to consider.
Plus, if the resale market is so active (as the DVC board suggests) then that leads me to believe that many have bough DVC, and decided it WASN'T for them, which makes me nervous.
exactly, people i think take the tour and get caught up in the magic and buy without thinking it thru. we both travel and both love wdw. we only have one child and college is being taken care of by my the inlaws. we live in a smaller home and both have good jobs. some people can afford dvc but have a hard time paying to go down every year. some people just get tired of going and some just fell on hard times and a timeshare is the first thing to go. its a big step and its not for everyone. alot of people toss there bags in the room and go all day and sleep and shower in the room. weve been to the parks so if i dont get on peter pan ill get on it next time. we spend time at the resort. if dw isnt a diehard, yet, i would hold off, theres still alot of good deals and you could all ways rent points from a dvc owner if you want to try it. just to warn you about renting points and staying in a 1 or 2 bedroom dvc resort, youll never go back to all star music. be prepared to sign the papers.
 
exactly, people i think take the tour and get caught up in the magic and buy without thinking it thru. we both travel and both love wdw. we only have one child and college is being taken care of by my the inlaws. we live in a smaller home and both have good jobs. some people can afford dvc but have a hard time paying to go down every year. some people just get tired of going and some just fell on hard times and a timeshare is the first thing to go. its a big step and its not for everyone. alot of people toss there bags in the room and go all day and sleep and shower in the room. weve been to the parks so if i dont get on peter pan ill get on it next time. we spend time at the resort. if dw isnt a diehard, yet, i would hold off, theres still alot of good deals and you could all ways rent points from a dvc owner if you want to try it.

I have looked long and hard at the DVC. I'm totally in LOVE :lovestruc with the IDEA :idea: of being a DVC member.

But after much research and number crunching I found that it would not be for me....at this time. :sad1:

Reasons I decided against it...
1] Up-front cost...being a SINGLE income family with a modest paying job...just not possible at this point in my life.
2] Even if I was able to cover the up-front cost...the Annual Maint. Fees for the amount of points I wanted would be hard to cover with my current income/output ratio.

A few years down the road...with a few more things paid off...who knows. :thumbsup2
 
You are right Chris...where is everyone????!!! I am getting ready to head to work this evening...yep it is another call night...At least before I go in at 230 Shari and the kids and I are going to be able to enjoy some sunshine...ahhhhh spring!!!

Home from work for 2 days with a stomach virus. Checking in now and then but wasn't really up to typing, Guess i'm starting to feel better.

Stopher, Thank you very much. All of your information is helpful. It's the things like this that play in the background of my head. And as December gets closer, (and I get my new Dream book in the mail) I'll likely send you a billion PM's about specific details on DVC, as it seems like you a) know a little what you're talking about and b) have been a DVC member long enough to have decided if it's a mistake.



I think i'm a diehard, but i KNOW that the DW is not. She doesn't travel well, so planes are out, and 16 hrs in the minivan will be tough as our 4 get older (DS7, DS5, DS 2(almost3), and "Nugget":yay: (due 9/14, we find out on 4/15 if it's DS or DD)
So that's another item to consider.
Plus, if the resale market is so active (as the DVC board suggests) then that leads me to believe that many have bough DVC, and decided it WASN'T for them, which makes me nervous.

As a newer owner in DVC a lot of my trip report will be based around Kidani since it is our first trip there. We did the tour 2 years ago and told them we would get back to them, our sales guy was great about it, he just told us it was a lot to think about, take our time, and call if we had any questions. This was 180 degrees different then the high pressure "gotta buy today" spiel we were used to getting from time shares.

We've been paying for 8 months and haven't had any buyers remorse yet.
 
Stopher, Thank you very much. All of your information is helpful. It's the things like this that play in the background of my head. And as December gets closer, (and I get my new Dream book in the mail) I'll likely send you a billion PM's about specific details on DVC, as it seems like you a) know a little what you're talking about and b) have been a DVC member long enough to have decided if it's a mistake.

Well I'm certainly happy to help. I have a lot of Disney experience under my belt, on both coasts, and have no problem whatsoever sharing my knowledge of the Disney universe, if you will. Fire away whenever you're ready.


I think i'm a diehard, but i KNOW that the DW is not. She doesn't travel well, so planes are out, and 16 hrs in the minivan will be tough as our 4 get older (DS7, DS5, DS 2(almost3), and "Nugget":yay: (due 9/14, we find out on 4/15 if it's DS or DD) So that's another item to consider.

Congrats on "nugget!" That's awesome. So as a family of 6 can definitely be difficult to pay for to fly, and yes, driving that long with that many can be difficult in other ways too.

Plus, if the resale market is so active (as the DVC board suggests) then that leads me to believe that many have bough DVC, and decided it WASN'T for them, which makes me nervous.

While it's true that many people after 10 -12 years might be disillusioned with Disney in general, or they have decided that they didn't want to continue going to WDW regularly since it is a great big world out there with lots of other :scared1: vacation destinations to visit... but a lot of it, at least from what I've been reading and researching, really comes, at least in the past 3 years, comes from people who have simply gotten in over their heads and cannot afford it anymore because they financed the purchase and their home mortgages were probably ARM's that have re-priced higher, cc bills have increased, utility costs increased, etc, etc.

Another reason could be (at least this is true for some friends of mine) that people bought in at one resort thinking that would be an ideal resort for them, but ended up constantly staying at another resort and wanted the 11 month priority window at a different resort that they enjoy much more that is simply harder to get in to at the 7 month booking window. So they sell one contract and pick up another.

Still others purchased what they "thought" they needed to buy and realized a few years in that while they do enjoy DVC and do go to DVC regularly, they just don't go annually and don't need as many points. So they sell off their initial larger contract, and then turn around and pick up a smaller one. One thing that many of us here on the DIS recommend to people considering DVC is to break up your contracts into smaller increments. Most times you have to get the minimum required and then other contracts from there. Say you want to buy the full 300 you initially mentioned... don't buy a contract for 300 points, but rather do your 160 minimum and then get 2 70's or try to get 3
100's if you can do that. Smaller contracts tend to be easier to sell whereas larger contracts can languish on the resale market longer. I say this because one a contract is written and closed upon, it cannot be broken up at all. The only way to make any changes is to sell it. Disney is the only one who can break up a contract, but that only happens when (if) they exercise their right of first refusal on a potential resale deal. Only when they buy those points back does that contract then go away.

Nobody really goes into their membership planning to sell down the road, but understanding that it is an option if the need or desire ever arises. Breaking up your contracts into smaller amounts is also easier for people for estate planning as well. That way they can bequeath to their children more easily as well, when there are multiple children involved. Again - your heirs can't break up a contract just because you die. The contract stays in place and could only be divided via ROFR via a potential resale.

In that same vein, other reasons that people put contracts up for sale are when members in the older generation owned points, and died or one spouse died and the other no longer wanted to maintain the membership, and the younger generation didn't want it for one reason or another. Then those points effectively get "dumped". I can say this with certainty as I've watched a number of DIS'ers reporting this as well as friends that have experienced this. Personally this hasn't happened to us... yet... but as I said in a different post previously, my FIL has 8, yes count them 8 timeshares (non-DVC) that he plans to leave to his 4 children & spouses. DW absolutely, positively 100% DOES NOT WANT the two that are "scheduled" to someday come to us. Nor do I. They are lousy, have absolutely no resale value, and are very expensive to maintain. One of the primary reasons that it took my DW SO VERY LONG to come around to the decision to join DVC simply came from watching her dad and his timeshare mess. She literally turned to me 50 times through those years and said "I don't ever want to own a timeshare" or "Don't ever think about buying a timeshare." But when she first took the DVC tour, she actually turned to me later that night and said, "I think I might be willing to buy a timeshare, but only from Disney. They do seem to know how to do it. But not now." So I continued to be patient and learn absolutely as much as I could about the entire process/situation.

So your concerns are valid - but honestly, now this is definitely my opinion, but honestly, DVC is different. Not always better, but different, and very often better.
 
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