Rider Switch changing (Started June 16th)

[DizneyMommy]

Though this might be part of why I found Disneland way more stressful than WDW

That’s so funny. I find WDW way more stressful and will take DL anyday. We can roll up to DL 3, ride a few rides have dinner and leave and do zero planning. WDW intimidates me! It’s funny how different everyone sees them.

 

[mom2rtk]

? I don’t understand. FP does feed in to the main line on most rides and take priority at DL, What do you mean?

You mentioned that FP is only available on the height restricted rides. So no FP on most of the rides little kids do. But without FP the line moves much faster. It's easier to find a shorter line on something at DLR than it is at WDW because almost everything at WDW has FP feeding in.

 

[DizneyMommy]

You mentioned that FP is only available on the height restricted rides. So no FP on most of the rides little kids do. But without FP the line moves much faster. It's easier to find a shorter line on something at DLR than it is at WDW because almost everything at WDW has FP feeding in.

That is probably true. I feel like WDW’s excessive lines all the time are inflated because they have FP for things that just don’t need it.

 

[MrInfinity]

When I was first researching RS I saw lots of places talking about doing Split FPs. Like I've said, I can see both sides of the argument and am okay with either side, but no one actually knows Disney's intent. I personally always thought the intent was to allow you to ride something else with the shorty, because Disney wanted to be known as a great place for kids of all ages and sizes.

Just because you see people talking about it doesn't mean it's right. You can talk to 50 of your best friends who tell you it's ok to speed 5mph over the limit. And you can do it right past a cop every day for a lifetime and never get a ticket. But was it ever allowed? No. I remember at one point it was disallowed to discuss on the Dis how it was actually against the rules to use old bands. It got to be so recommended that you would get docked if you mentioned it wasn't allowed. Then one day Disney shut it down, and that was the end of it.

People assume if you hear about it on the internet then it must be right. And saying "nobody really knows their intent" is bogus. It's right there on their website. Rider Switch is to avoid having to wait thru a STANDBY line twice. That's all it is. It has nothing to do with how your family tours or whether you think we can't know the intent. Same thing applies to using your family members' bands -- NOT allowed. Disney states all over their site that your MDE allocations are not transferrable. If you ask on the internet? Even the most seasoned of Disney pros will tell you this is "okay". Allowed even -- or that CMs recommend it. It is not allowed:

Q: Can other people use my MagicBand or card? A: No. Your MagicBand or card is unique to you and only you are authorized to access the benefits associated with it—including linked tickets, FastPass+ experiences, touch-to-pay purchases and other entitlements.

Even tho it is clearly not allowed, people still recommend doing it. Invent strategies to get more, then publish them to teach others to cheat the system. Rider Switch got so out of hand that strategies were being published on how to best abuse it.

 

[Moliphino]

I think it depends how you plan and vacation and how often you vacation.

I loooooove having my FP set ahead of time and not wondering which ones I would get day of, if I would even get a FP for a given attraction (back in the day, TSMM FP would be gone for the day within a few hours). I found the old way waaaaaay more stressful than the new way

I don't think it needs to be 2 months, but I love having them set ahead of time. I'd much rather stress before the trip - and then just feel much more relaxed during it

Though this might be part of why I found Disneland way more stressful than WDW

It also takes away the need to rope drop to be able to ride the headliners, which is the real benefit for me (I am NOT a morning person). I don't at all miss those days of running to TSMM first thing only to get a return time in the afternoon.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

That is probably true. I feel like WDW’s excessive lines all the time are inflated because they have FP for things that just don’t need it.

That don't need and for which the queues were not designed to handle FP ... this is specifically true of Pirates and HM, no way those should have FP

 

[TheMaxRebo]

It also takes away the need to rope drop to be able to ride the headliners, which is the real benefit for me (I am NOT a morning person). I don't at all miss those days of running to TSMM first thing only to get a return time in the afternoon.

exactly - I know people say the old way was more fair - but often it was more fair to them because they were always doing rope drop and were happy to do the "running of the bulls" to get the TSMM FP

I recall one trip where I was in the mass of humanity waiting to get the paper FP for TSMM (so in a crazy line to get something that let me get into another line later) and one father shouted to another father "remember, this isn't a vacation, it's a trip to Disney!" .... I much prefer to avoid scenes like that!

 

[JimmyBean42]

Honestly, I think WDW should just get rid of the 3 FP prebooked and go back to one at a time while in the park like DL. I feel like it would eliminate SO much of the stress they are inflicting on guests that causes them to feel like they have to find ways to cheat the system. Level the playing field. Get a FP, ride, get another FP. I do not understand the necessity of booking them 2 months in advance at all.

Ha - I'd be okay with this b/c I'm a morning person. But it definitely hinders those who like to sleep in or go to a nice breakfast first and leisurely get to the park whenever. I can clearly remember TSMM and others running out of paper fast pass tickets for the entire day by as early as 10 am. Maybe earlier in other instances since we always went off-season (back when there was an off season).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That don't need and for which the queues were not designed to handle FP ... this is specifically true of Pirates and HM, no way those should have FP

HM is probably the worst of the two and I admit I used a FP for it. I mean it's nice to be able to get ahead of some people but because it becomes a blob at the doors....and inside the ride too..about the only thing it can save you from is waiting too long in the sun if the line is getting that bad.

 

[JimmyBean42]

exactly - I know people say the old way was more fair - but often it was more fair to them because they were always doing rope drop and were happy to do the "running of the bulls" to get the TSMM FP

I recall one trip where I was in the mass of humanity waiting to get the paper FP for TSMM (so in a crazy line to get something that let me get into another line later) and one father shouted to another father "remember, this isn't a vacation, it's a trip to Disney!" .... I much prefer to avoid scenes like that!

"running of the bulls"...hilarious! Still slightly like that with 7DMT. I do not miss collecting everyone's park entry pass and putting them in one at a time at the machine either. Somehow I was always the designated "runner" even though I refused to run and would walk figuring it only cost me what - 20 more people ahead of me. Meanwhile everyone else was grabbing stuff at the bakery but me!

 

[OSUZorba]

You can get another FP, not another RS. But the likelihood of getting a FP for a ride nearby the one you are waiting for RS, within your RS return window, is pretty unlikely. It would have to be an almost immediate return. DL mostly only has FP for rides which have a height limit anyways, there are only 2 rides in DL and 1 in CA that offer FP and aren’t height restricted. So we ride standby or we wait and find other ways to have fun.

Thanks. I was wondering in general, completely separate thought than the splitting FP issue. I just wanted to make sure it wouldn't affect my SDFP strategy.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Ha - I'd be okay with this b/c I'm a morning person. But it definitely hinders those who like to sleep in or go to a nice breakfast first and leisurely get to the park whenever. I can clearly remember TSMM and others running out of paper fast pass tickets for the entire day by as early as 10 am. Maybe earlier in other instances since we always went off-season (back when there was an off season).

I tell people this story about TSMM:

Back in 2011 we never got to ride TSMM except for 5mins before park close 1 night.

That's because the FPs always ran out before we got there and it was always listed (and appeared to at least be quite long line) as 75mins. We had also gone in September that year so it wasn't like we were going when it was super busy.

I was able to secure a FP for it for our 2017 trip and was thankful for it. Irma helped a ton because we got to ride that time and time and time and time again all back to back with just about no wait. Actually the longest we waited was first thing in the morning one day.

There's pros and cons to the FP+ system in comparison to the Legacy FP.

 

[DizneyMommy]

Ha - I'd be okay with this b/c I'm a morning person. But it definitely hinders those who like to sleep in or go to a nice breakfast first and leisurely get to the park whenever. I can clearly remember TSMM and others running out of paper fast pass tickets for the entire day by as early as 10 am. Maybe earlier in other instances since we always went off-season (back when there was an off season).

Yeah, that happens at DCA with Radiator Springs still some days. But the digital FP system helps to avoid it being really gone, as it is dynamic and as people either drop their FP or more are put in the system then they can be had later in the day. I’ve seen this with MaxPass, where we were able to see a FP time for a ride that had a posted FP time from the machines of much later. DL still has the machines at the rides if you want to go pull on the old fashioned way, and the machines doesn’t go back in time, but if you use MaxPass you can see real time like at WDW.

 

[DizneyMommy]

I tell people this story about TSMM:

Back in 2011 we never got to ride TSMM except for 5mins before park close 1 night.

That's because the FPs always ran out before we got there and it was always listed (and appeared to at least be quite long line) as 75mins. We had also gone in September that year so it wasn't like we were going when it was super busy.

I was able to secure a FP for it for our 2017 trip and was thankful for it. Irma helped a ton because we got to ride that time and time and time and time again all back to back with just about no wait. Actually the longest we waited was first thing in the morning one day.

There's pros and cons to the FP+ system in comparison to the Legacy FP.

But the legacy system wasn’t digital and didn’t allow you to see real time like the new digital system. They could get rid of the 3 FP 60 day’s nonsense and still have the real time digital system. If you are able to modify and change and see new times now, you would even if they weren’t prebooked. If that makes sense lol.

We kind of have both the legacy system and digital system at the same time at DL and with MaxPass it is easy to get those in demand Fap

 

[OSUZorba]

Just because you see people talking about it doesn't mean it's right. You can talk to 50 of your best friends who tell you it's ok to speed 5mph over the limit. And you can do it right past a cop every day for a lifetime and never get a ticket. But was it ever allowed? No. I remember at one point it was disallowed to discuss on the Dis how it was actually against the rules to use old bands. It got to be so recommended that you would get docked if you mentioned it wasn't allowed. Then one day Disney shut it down, and that was the end of it.

People assume if you hear about it on the internet then it must be right. And saying "nobody really knows their intent" is bogus. It's right there on their website. Rider Switch is to avoid having to wait thru a STANDBY line twice. That's all it is. It has nothing to do with how your family tours or whether you think we can't know the intent. Same thing applies to using your family members' bands -- NOT allowed. Disney states all over their site that your MDE allocations are not transferrable. If you ask on the internet? Even the most seasoned of Disney pros will tell you this is "okay". Allowed even -- or that CMs recommend it. It is not allowed:

Q: Can other people use my MagicBand or card? A: No. Your MagicBand or card is unique to you and only you are authorized to access the benefits associated with it—including linked tickets, FastPass+ experiences, touch-to-pay purchases and other entitlements.

Even tho it is clearly not allowed, people still recommend doing it. Invent strategies to get more, then publish them to teach others to cheat the system. Rider Switch got so out of hand that strategies were being published on how to best abuse it.

Read what I was responding to, the pp had said she hadn't seen any reputable site taking about it, which isn't true. Otherwise, no body actually knows Disney's intent. Using multiple bands is pretty clearly gaming the system and specifically against the TOS. Split FPs are not nearly as clear cut, but they could've ended the practice any time they wanted to with no changes to software if they had wanted to. I never have had a single ride host ask us both to scan when getting a RS. That either shows intent or a complete lack of training (or what it really shows is specific training that says only the first party needs an FP).

Again I'm fine with either, it is just ridiculous that so many people think they know Disney's intent, when nothing Disney does shows that intent.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But the legacy system wasn’t digital and didn’t allow you to see real time like the new digital system. They could get rid of the 3 FP 60 day’s nonsense and still have the real time digital system. If you are able to modify and change and see new times now, you would even if they weren’t prebooked. If that makes sense lol.

Um..I'm just explaining my experience back in 2011

 

[DizneyMommy]

Read what I was responding to, the pp had said she hadn't seen any reputable site taking about it, which isn't true. Otherwise, no body actually knows Disney's intent. Using multiple bands is pretty clearly gaming the system and specifically against the TOS. Split FPs are not nearly as clear cut, but they could've ended the practice any time they wanted to with no changes to software if they had wanted to. I never have had a signal ride host ask us both to scan when getting a RS. That either shows intent or a complete lack of training (or what it really shows is specific training that says only the first party needs an FP).

Again I'm fine with either, it is just ridiculous that so many people think they know Disney's intent, when nothing they do shows that intent.

I’ve never seen any of the reputable guides/blogs (meaning the ones who don’t give questionable info and actually respect Disney rules) suggest that you should split FP’s or that the waiting party should not get one and should get something else and then switch. If you have, please share a link, I just haven’t seen it. The ones I read all stick to the way Disney has expressly described the program in writing. Not the ways you can skirt it.

 

[DizneyMommy]

Um..I'm just explaining my experience back in 2011

Oh no, I know! It happened at DL a ton too before the digital system. I’m just saying it wouldn’t necessarily still happen now because that was paper FP and the digital system can help prevent them from being totally gone.

 

[MrInfinity]

Otherwise, no body actually knows Disney's intent. Using multiple bands is pretty clearly gaming the system and specifically against the TOS. Split FPs are not nearly as clear cut, but they could've ended the practice any time they wanted to with no changes to software if they had wanted to. I never have had a signal ride host ask us both to scan when getting a RS. Again I'm fine with either, it is just ridiculous that so many people think they know Disney's intent, when nothing they do shows that intent.

What are you talking about... Intent... You don't know their intent? You're trying to make this rule which clearly states standby line into some sort of interpretive thing. It's like asking if the intent behind a beer tax is to raise funds or discourage beer drinking. It doesn't matter. You can't say... "well, the INTENT is to discourage beer drinking... and I'm not buying this to drink, I'm buying it for barbequing therefore I don't have to pay the tax." No. The intent is irrelevant. Rider Switch allows a family to avoid waiting in a Standby Line twice because they have a kid that can't ride. Doesn't matter if CMs enforce the rule or even know it. You know the rule, and we know the rule. We should recommend people follow it correctly so that it stays viable for people who use it legitimately.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Oh no, I know! It happened at DL a ton too before the digital system. I’m just saying it wouldn’t necessarily still happen now because that was paper FP and the digital system can help prevent them from being totally gone.

Maybe maybe not. IDK really what would happen because DLR and WDW are just different.

People could see what the return time was for Legacy FP and opt to get it or not get it. Digital or not digital it still as far as I understand it you would need to be in the park to get the FP on your phone. The only difference that I can see is that you don't have to make your way to the attraction first like you did with Legacy FP. So as for going digital preventing it from being totally gone..just not sure that really would be the case especially if people didn't have to put forth the effort to have "runners" and just could stand at the park entrance and get their FP. Now what could help is the number of FP released throughout the day which I'm betting is more than in 2011 due to crowds but I really have no idea.