I'm guessing when these starting cropping up at the parks people made all sorts of justifications for it saying "but it can be pushed" "I'm not pulling it/I won't be pulling it". It probably was one of those things that for the bulk of it they let it pass since it could be pushed like a stroller even though for consistency issues there were times that CMs said "no that's a wagon".
They are for sure in Disneyland. It's part of "Project Stardust". Here's Disney's blog on a bit of that: http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2019/...sleeping-beauty-castle-and-disneyland-resort/
I'm thinking since WDW was built after DLR that walkways are already wider than DLR but that doesn't mean they've 'aged' well. It seems like over the years they've been adjusting things like removing benches and other obstacles. Tomorrowland recently for sure has been changed to allow less obstacles. As crowds have gotten bigger and strollers have gotten bigger and yes the ECVs too being more commonplace they've looked at what they can do to help out.
See that’s why Disney included a picture of exactly what it wants to ban.Except if you bother to look up the definition of a wagon it’s pulled not pushed:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wagon
any of various kinds of four-wheeledvehicles designed to be pulled or having its own motor and ranging from a child'stoy to a commercial vehicle for the transport of heavy loads, delivery, etc.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wagon
a low four-wheeled vehicle with an open rectangular body and a retroflex tongue made for the play or use of a child
For those that need the merriam-Webster definition explained, retroflex means turned or bent abruptly backward and tongue means the pole (see POLE entry 1 sense 1b) of a vehicle (such as a wagon)
So the users of the keenz were never going against the park rules at the time since clearly they didn’t fit the common definition of a wagon and the rules at the time stated “or pulled by a human, including a wagon”. And even though the manufacturer uses both stroller and wagon in the name of the product it does not make it either of those things. (Which I find it funny people can figure out it doesn’t meet the common definition of stroller but can’t figure out that it doesn’t meet the definition of a wagon, hence why it is a hybrid of the two).
Excuse me? Bother to look up?Except if you bother to look up the definition of a wagon it’s pulled not pushed:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wagon
any of various kinds of four-wheeledvehicles designed to be pulled or having its own motor and ranging from a child'stoy to a commercial vehicle for the transport of heavy loads, delivery, etc.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wagon
a low four-wheeled vehicle with an open rectangular body and a retroflex tongue made for the play or use of a child
For those that need the merriam-Webster definition explained, retroflex means turned or bent abruptly backward and tongue means the pole (see POLE entry 1 sense 1b) of a vehicle (such as a wagon)
So the users of the keenz were never going against the park rules at the time since clearly they didn’t fit the common definition of a wagon and the rules at the time stated “or pulled by a human, including a wagon”. And even though the manufacturer uses both stroller and wagon in the name of the product it does not make it either of those things. (Which I find it funny people can figure out it doesn’t meet the common definition of stroller but can’t figure out that it doesn’t meet the definition of a wagon, hence why it is a hybrid of the two).
Your guess is as good as mine on the design of TSL. I haven't been there yet but it doesn't take me to have been there to see/understand they could have done things better so I totally agree with you there.I understand DLR is making them bigger where they can but even they are going to have the same problem WDW has, they are going to run out of room. And honestly the walkways in TSL really aren't that wide and they can't be made better. So it gets packed full of people and then there's a m&g or the green army men or the line for slinky goes to/out the entrance and it all gets worse. They could have prevented this by making it all bigger but they didn't so I still don't understand how disney is supposed to manage their walkways better.
I'm guessing the Disney parks have more strollers per acre than any other place on earth. That ends up causing a lot of ankle injuries, especially when rude guests insist on plowing through the crowds. I see no need for huge strollers. A baby or toddler plus a diaper bag is one thing, but I see some with what could be luggage for the whole family. More that one kid? A small stroller for each would be easier on everyone. Yes, I'm an old codger, but I have a handful of great grandsons including one set of twins.
Except if you bother to look up the definition of a wagon it’s pulled not pushed:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wagon
any of various kinds of four-wheeledvehicles designed to be pulled or having its own motor and ranging from a child'stoy to a commercial vehicle for the transport of heavy loads, delivery, etc.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wagon
a low four-wheeled vehicle with an open rectangular body and a retroflex tongue made for the play or use of a child
For those that need the merriam-Webster definition explained, retroflex means turned or bent abruptly backward and tongue means the pole (see POLE entry 1 sense 1b) of a vehicle (such as a wagon)
So the users of the keenz were never going against the park rules at the time since clearly they didn’t fit the common definition of a wagon and the rules at the time stated “or pulled by a human, including a wagon”. And even though the manufacturer uses both stroller and wagon in the name of the product it does not make it either of those things. (Which I find it funny people can figure out it doesn’t meet the common definition of stroller but can’t figure out that it doesn’t meet the definition of a wagon, hence why it is a hybrid of the two).
Disney was very clear in their verbiage today. No stroller wagons starting May 1. They even included a picture.Except if you bother to look up the definition of a wagon it’s pulled not pushed:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wagon
any of various kinds of four-wheeledvehicles designed to be pulled or having its own motor and ranging from a child'stoy to a commercial vehicle for the transport of heavy loads, delivery, etc.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wagon
a low four-wheeled vehicle with an open rectangular body and a retroflex tongue made for the play or use of a child
For those that need the merriam-Webster definition explained, retroflex means turned or bent abruptly backward and tongue means the pole (see POLE entry 1 sense 1b) of a vehicle (such as a wagon)
So the users of the keenz were never going against the park rules at the time since clearly they didn’t fit the common definition of a wagon and the rules at the time stated “or pulled by a human, including a wagon”. And even though the manufacturer uses both stroller and wagon in the name of the product it does not make it either of those things. (Which I find it funny people can figure out it doesn’t meet the common definition of stroller but can’t figure out that it doesn’t meet the definition of a wagon, hence why it is a hybrid of the two).
Except if you bother to look up the definition of a wagon it’s pulled not pushed:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wagon
any of various kinds of four-wheeledvehicles designed to be pulled or having its own motor and ranging from a child'stoy to a commercial vehicle for the transport of heavy loads, delivery, etc.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wagon
a low four-wheeled vehicle with an open rectangular body and a retroflex tongue made for the play or use of a child
For those that need the merriam-Webster definition explained, retroflex means turned or bent abruptly backward and tongue means the pole (see POLE entry 1 sense 1b) of a vehicle (such as a wagon)
So the users of the keenz were never going against the park rules at the time since clearly they didn’t fit the common definition of a wagon and the rules at the time stated “or pulled by a human, including a wagon”. And even though the manufacturer uses both stroller and wagon in the name of the product it does not make it either of those things. (Which I find it funny people can figure out it doesn’t meet the common definition of stroller but can’t figure out that it doesn’t meet the definition of a wagon, hence why it is a hybrid of the two).
Disney was very clear in their verbiage today. No stroller wagons starting May 1. They even included a picture.
Keenz itself describes the item as a stroller wagon.
I don't see any wiggle room in this, but certainly you could contact guest services with your concerns.
Not here we don'tMaybe we need a new thread to discuss what is and isn't a wagon?
Maybe we need a new thread to discuss what is and isn't a wagon?
@Tink_83 thats silly. Neither of those definitions say if you can push it its no longer a wagon. Keenz has handles on both sides so you can pull it
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An ad for Keenz. Being pulled. Like the wagon it is. I’m not arguing with you about if they were previously allowed. Rather, just pointing out how silly it is to claim the above item does not meet the definition of a wagon (which again, does not say as soon as you can push the object its no longer a wagon).
Everyone I know that owns one of these bought it to take it to Disney. They use it for other things too, but they bought it for Disney.Will it really cost them that much in profits? Out of all of the potential customers in the country, what percentage are taking Disney vacations? IRL I only know one other family that goes to Disney as much as we do and I know a few that have taken Disney trips at all. If I had purchased it, we would not have used it at WDW.
I may continue to push a stroller around after my kids are past stroller age, just so I don't have to lug all the junk we buy around!
They are for sure in Disneyland. It's part of "Project Stardust". Here's Disney's blog on a bit of that: http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2019/...sleeping-beauty-castle-and-disneyland-resort/
I'm thinking since WDW was built after DLR that walkways are already wider than DLR but that doesn't mean they've 'aged' well. It seems like over the years they've been adjusting things like removing benches and other obstacles. Tomorrowland recently for sure has been changed to allow less obstacles. As crowds have gotten bigger and strollers have gotten bigger and yes the ECVs too being more commonplace they've looked at what they can do to help out.