Take the pledge to continue to wear a mask during the Covid - 19 pandemic

[disneychrista]

Is it because he didn’t wear a mask?I am constantly hearing a mask offers no protection for the wearer...only prevents spreading to others.
RIP Herman Cain. You will be missed.

“They” are starting to realize wearing a mask helps the wearer too. Wearing a mask helps decrease the viral load making it less likely the wearer will get COVID and if they do it will be a milder case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/health/coronavirus-mask-protection.html

 

[Dan Murphy]

Social distancing plus everyone wearing masked helps prevents spread.

He was sitting very close to others indoors, no masks....sadly risky. Add in he was elderly and it's more risky.
There is a photo of him (and others unmasked around him) at Tulsa rally, pretty easy to Google.

And it is sad that he has passed. The virus has killed far too many. Hopefully more will listen to the epidemiologists.

Saw people going around before the event pulling stickers off the seats that told people not to sit there, 2 seats no, then 1 yes, 2 no, 1 yes, and so on. The stickers were taken off the every two seats.

 

[sam_gordon]

I am constantly hearing a mask offers no protection for the wearer...only prevents spreading to others.

I thought we had this discussion in another thread. Put your logic hat on for a moment... if a mask offers no protection for the wearer, why are you advised to not touch the outside of your mask? If it's not going to stop any of the virus, then it doesn't matter if you touch the outside.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I thought we had this discussion in another thread. Put your logic hat on for a moment... if a mask offers no protection for the wearer, why are you advised to not touch the outside of your mask? If it's not going to stop any of the virus, then it doesn't matter if you touch the outside.

Not my point but not going to argue.

 

[Buzz Rules]

"Keep calm and keep the mask on"

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

First, some entertainment.

A Sovcidiot and covidiot all in one swoop!!! Cops win 2 zip.

I do not consent!!! Yeah sure. That'll work.

I'm going to sue you each for 60,000 personally. Do you wish to continue?
Yup. yup.......

Meanwhile, in Kansas, Masks work. Not perfectly mind you. But they do work.
https://www.kctv5.com/coronavirus/k...cle_3c413006-9f8b-5eb6-9bd6-d088976180a4.html

 

[sam_gordon]

First, some entertainment.

A Sovcidiot and covidiot all in one swoop!!! Cops win 2 zip.

I do not consent!!! Yeah sure. That'll work.

I'm going to sue you each for 60,000 personally. Do you wish to continue?
Yup. yup.......

Meanwhile, in Kansas, Masks work. Not perfectly mind you. But they do work.
https://www.kctv5.com/coronavirus/k...cle_3c413006-9f8b-5eb6-9bd6-d088976180a4.html

Kentucky had a state wide mask mandate go into effect July 10. Here's the trend...


Here's the two previous months...

 

[mefordis]

It's taken us 200,000 years but we've finally figured out how to beat the grim reaper - mouth and nose coverings. If we had done this years ago think of how many lives we could have saved? Countless!

 

[Dznypal]

I cant see where wearing mask all day is not healthy for the wearer--sure people do wear them for hrs like drs in a hospital for surgeries I dont think there are drs have always have 8 hrs of surgeries every single day and at the hospital that I work at the masks they wear for surgeries are so much different then the thin little ones we are made to wear--so I cant see where its healthy to wear the same mask for hrs on end--all your doing is breathing the same stale air people compaine about breathing in airplane air thats recycled at least granted your breathing in your own germs in and out all day long--that doesnt sound healthy to me

also of course when you eat you can take the mask off--so where are you supposed to put it--if you put in on the table any germs that are on it are now on the table sure they wash down the tables but while your eating those germs are now on the table--put it in your pocket or purse--now the germs are in your purse/pocket along with all your other things

just thinking

 

[mefordis]

I cant see where wearing mask all day is not healthy for the wearer--sure people do wear them for hrs like drs in a hospital for surgeries I dont think there are drs have always have 8 hrs of surgeries every single day and at the hospital that I work at the masks they wear for surgeries are so much different then the thin little ones we are made to wear--so I cant see where its healthy to wear the same mask for hrs on end--all your doing is breathing the same stale air people compaine about breathing in airplane air thats recycled at least granted your breathing in your own germs in and out all day long--that doesnt sound healthy to me

also of course when you eat you can take the mask off--so where are you supposed to put it--if you put in on the table any germs that are on it are now on the table sure they wash down the tables but while your eating those germs are now on the table--put it in your pocket or purse--now the germs are in your purse/pocket along with all your other things

just thinking

Now, who told you to think? We'll have none of that. That's just trouble.

 

[sam_gordon]

I cant see where wearing mask all day is not healthy for the wearer--sure people do wear them for hrs like drs in a hospital for surgeries I dont think there are drs have always have 8 hrs of surgeries every single day and at the hospital that I work at the masks they wear for surgeries are so much different then the thin little ones we are made to wear--so I cant see where its healthy to wear the same mask for hrs on end--all your doing is breathing the same stale air people compaine about breathing in airplane air thats recycled at least granted your breathing in your own germs in and out all day long--that doesnt sound healthy to me

also of course when you eat you can take the mask off--so where are you supposed to put it--if you put in on the table any germs that are on it are now on the table sure they wash down the tables but while your eating those germs are now on the table--put it in your pocket or purse--now the germs are in your purse/pocket along with all your other things

just thinking

But they are your germs. So if you take the germs out of you and then back into you, what do you think will happen? And, feel the need to take the mask off? Go outdoors and 10' away from everyone. Simple.

ETA: If you want to complain about wearing masks, that's fine, but I think you need to have some reasonable argument against it. And what's your solution? Don't require masks? How well is that working in Florida?

 

[JenLT]

Everyone in my family wears a mask when we leave the house. It just makes sense to take precautions.

 

[disneychrista]

They were talking about wild fire preparation yesterday was on the radio and the one thing they made sure to include was to have mask(s) in your go bag.

 

[sam_gordon]

Everyone in my family wears a mask when we leave the house. It just makes sense to take precautions.

I agree with wearing masks, but no one in my family wears one when we leave the house. Sure, we have them, and we put them on before entering a store/public location, but when we leave the house? Nope. Or am I taking you too literally?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Kentucky had a state wide mask mandate go into effect July 10. Here's the trend...
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Here's the two previous months...
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I think the uniqueness though with KS is because 90/105 of our counties opted out of the mask mandate but that 2/3rd of our state population is covered by a mask mandate even with only 15 counties joining in (although one county that represents the 2nd largest population their mask mandate runs out tomorrow). The implication made was that if the more rural counties joined in the cases there would be further reduced.

This was the chart our Health Director for the state gave at his conference/talk:


Blue reflects collectively counties without mask mandates--State Health Director attributes this as "flat"

Brown-ish reflects collectively counties with mask mandates--State Health Director attributes this as "steep decline".

There wasn't so much a focus on just what numbers there were but more trying to implore our state with visuals that "hey masks can work". Of import is that our governor was on the verge of rolling us back to phase 2 (we have been on phase 3 since June 8th) which would mean no gatherings more than 15 (presently 45 though there are exceptions/allowances and counties are allowed to do their own thing) and bars and nightclubs would close again. So more just trying to focus on adjusting our behaviors and attitudes towards masks hopefully that is when you can see visual evidence.

 

[sam_gordon]

I think the uniqueness though with KS is because 90/105 of our counties opted out of the mask mandate but that 2/3rd of our state population is covered by a mask mandate even with only 15 counties joining in (although one county that represents the 2nd largest population their mask mandate runs out tomorrow). The implication made was that if the more rural counties joined in the cases there would be further reduced.

This was the chart our Health Director for the state gave at his conference/talk:
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Blue reflects collectively counties without mask mandates--State Health Director attributes this as "flat"

Brown-ish reflects collectively counties with mask mandates--State Health Director attributes this as "steep decline".

There wasn't so much a focus on just what numbers there were but more trying to implore our state with visuals that "hey masks can work". Of import is that our governor was on the verge of rolling us back to phase 2 (we have been on phase 3 since June 8th) which would mean no gatherings more than 15 (presently 45 though there are exceptions/allowances and counties are allowed to do their own thing) and bars and nightclubs would close again. So more just trying to focus on adjusting our behaviors and attitudes towards masks hopefully that is when you can see visual evidence.

Do masks contribute to a decline? I'm sure. But it's only one piece. Just saying a mask mandate makes numbers go down is false. As I was pointing out, we've been on a mask mandate (state wide) for almost a month now. Numbers at best are flat, and I'd argue they actually peaked during the mandate. Maybe I'm not giving it enough time. But KS (the counties with mandates) have seen a significant drop. When did they start the mandate? I think there's a LOT of how this virus spreads that no one understands.

 

[mom2aandj]

I think the uniqueness though with KS is because 90/105 of our counties opted out of the mask mandate but that 2/3rd of our state population is covered by a mask mandate even with only 15 counties joining in (although one county that represents the 2nd largest population their mask mandate runs out tomorrow). The implication made was that if the more rural counties joined in the cases there would be further reduced.

This was the chart our Health Director for the state gave at his conference/talk:
View attachment 516616

Blue reflects collectively counties without mask mandates--State Health Director attributes this as "flat"

Brown-ish reflects collectively counties with mask mandates--State Health Director attributes this as "steep decline".

There wasn't so much a focus on just what numbers there were but more trying to implore our state with visuals that "hey masks can work". Of import is that our governor was on the verge of rolling us back to phase 2 (we have been on phase 3 since June 8th) which would mean no gatherings more than 15 (presently 45 though there are exceptions/allowances and counties are allowed to do their own thing) and bars and nightclubs would close again. So more just trying to focus on adjusting our behaviors and attitudes towards masks hopefully that is when you can see visual evidence.

Doctor on twitter says the graph is fraud:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1292111858309136385

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Do masks contribute to a decline? I'm sure. But it's only one piece. Just saying a mask mandate makes numbers go down is false. As I was pointing out, we've been on a mask mandate (state wide) for almost a month now. Numbers at best are flat, and I'd argue they actually peaked during the mandate. Maybe I'm not giving it enough time. But KS (the counties with mandates) have seen a significant drop. When did they start the mandate? I think there's a LOT of how this virus spreads that no one understands.

You're making generalized comments. I'm speaking about my own area and what the information is as it's been given to us. Testing has largely been the same, we've been in the same phase for a long time, people are going out roughly the same as before though I'm sure more are than in early to mid-June. In other words the State Health Director is seeing masks as have having the more contribution towards reduction in cases and we were going sky-high in comparison to early June which was driven by community spread. Now they are already anticipating a bump in cases due to Labor Day weekend. One could argue if more of us wore masks when engaging in gatherings for example that number would go down as well. I actually don't disagree with you on masks being but one piece that doesn't mean it can't be a main contributor.

I'm not opposed to the bars and nightclubs closing down especially with fall coming up and colleges (so long as the bars can still sell alcohol for off premise consumption as that will at least allow some to get some income).

The mask mandate was 7/3. However the county I mentioned that has the second largest population whose mask mandate expires tomorrow they originally opted out of the mask mandate but re-voted and opted in. Their mask mandate began July 10th. I haven't tracked all of the total 15 counties but at the state level it was started July 3rd. The effect one sees will depend on the percentage of people wearing it. Higher percentage results can be seen in about 2 1/2 weeks, lower percentage and it could be 4-6 weeks+. Also you'd want to consider the exemptions, the age ranges, the conditions one would wear a mask,etc. Also that's why I made the comment about collectively; you may see one county not be as much of a downward trend but another is. I'd say in my county/area the hard part is we share a metro with another state so we're affected by them just as much as they are affected by us. There is no other metro in our state that shares borders. The Wichita metro does not cross state lines.

There's a high percentage of people I see in my area wearing masks though not always properly but then again there's a high percentage of people having gatherings and whatnot and not necessarily wearing masks.

I would say the effectiveness of masks can be made a general comment but the end result can be just as much an area-specific comment such that not every area will see the same results--that goes even for my state; like I said it was collective so so counties may not see as much of a drop as another in which case other factors may be at play. Again still doesn't mean masks wouldn't be a main contributor towards mitigation in spread especially if the percentage was high, the proper wearing was high and the instances in which people wore masks was large.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Doctor on twitter says the graph is fraud:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1292111858309136385

Ohhh twitter lovely! Ohhh a random doctor too even if a Kansan lovely! With all due respect starting with "Doctor on twitter says the graph is a fraud" isn't exactly giving one high confidence in reviewing what they are saying.

Ohh..bit of digging around--yup he's political very much so despite his "A doctor, not a politician. Defender of freedom. Maker of difficult decisions. Servant to God, family, patients, country." on his twitter account (though the picture of the Constitution in his background of his twitter account is a clue as is Defender of freedom). He ran against a senator back in 2014.

Oh and dear goodness did you actually read some of his twitter account more than just doing a google search about the graph? He is NOT someone I would go to for health advice. He's not someone I would go to for unbiased opinions as they related to the public health crisis we have going on; he's way too deep in politics for that (that's not to be naive and think health officials can't be political but boy this doc is like a poster child for being too deep in politics). He reads just like the stuff my mother-in-law sends us in FB messenger

Albeit though he may be incredibly bias and NOT a person I would actually take a credible for questioning the graph I can understand reviewing the graph for accuracy and see no inherent issue with that.

 

[sam_gordon]

You're making generalized comments. I'm speaking about my own area and what the information is as it's been given to us. Testing has largely been the same, we've been in the same phase for a long time, people are going out roughly the same as before though I'm sure more are than in early to mid-June. In other words the State Health Director is seeing masks as have having the more contribution towards reduction in cases and we were going sky-high in comparison to early June which was driven by community spread. Now they are already anticipating a bump in cases due to Labor Day weekend. One could argue if more of us wore masks when engaging in gatherings for example that number would go down as well. I actually don't disagree with you on masks being but one piece that doesn't mean it can't be a main contributor.

Since you're giving the information for just your area (which is what I presented above... the information for MY area), is the mask mandate the ONLY difference between the counties on the chart? Did the "mask" counties also close bars? Restrict restaurants? Limit gatherings? If mask mandates were the single answer, why isn't my state seeing a significant drop in cases a month after? And before you answer "how many people are following the mandate", I'm guessing you don't know how many are following it in the various KS counties either. We both have anecdotal information (we see most people/few people wearing masks), but that's not facts.

Ohh..bit of digging around--yup he's political very much so despite his "A doctor, not a politician. Defender of freedom. Maker of difficult decisions. Servant to God, family, patients, country." on his twitter account (though the picture of the Constitution in his background of his twitter account is a clue as is Defender of freedom). He ran against a senator back in 2014.

OK, but is his DATA wrong? I tried to look on the chart you posted as well as finding the same chart online and it sure looks like the Y axis are different. It looks like the right hand axis (no mask) reads (from the top down) 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4 and the left hand (mask mandates) are 25, 23, 21, 19, 17, 15. So doesn't that mean (at least) the counties with mask mandates have a larger per capita (because that's how the graph is labeled - average of daily cases/100k population). Yes, there is a greater drop in the mask mandated counties, but is that because of masks or other steps?

Here's a slightly better view (you can at least read the axis labels) (source):


I'm going to get crucified for this, but I do wonder if something similar to herd immunity (because I don't know what else to call it) is/has happened in hot spots. Once an area gets to a certain number of infections, then numbers start dying down. And no, I'm not saying open everything up. Heck, I think mask mandates should stay in place, anything indoor should be at 30-50% capacity, and anything outdoor should leave things spread out.