matt and beth
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You’d might be surprised how few people can produce a sub 2:30 POT.Depends on what they have the POT cutoff be. Anyone above 2:30? That would be a LOT of people stuffed into the last corral.
You’d might be surprised how few people can produce a sub 2:30 POT.Depends on what they have the POT cutoff be. Anyone above 2:30? That would be a LOT of people stuffed into the last corral.
That was what I meant. If POT is 2:30 and only the last corral is for people who don’t have one, it’s going to be humongous. If you keep the last corral for no POT, you’ll need to raise it.You’d might be surprised how few people can produce a sub 2:30 POT.
I don't think this point is fair. rD is for time, for some. I see a lot of this narrative in the rD FB groups as a reason why people shouldn't care about corral placements. Like, "why are you running so hard, it's Disney. You're not going to win so who cares?" I'll use myself as an example. Last year I was trying to PR the marathon. And I'm already looking towards next year to do the same. Why? Because the rD marathon has a great course set up for me to be distracted, have fun, while still running a marathon. Everyone has different reasons they run and why they do rD. Who are we to say whether or not a race is for time or not? @azrivest - I'm not singling you out for this comment so please don't take it that way! I have read this same sentiment a lot and I get where it's coming from. It's not always true though.If runDisney were races for time, I'd agree with most of you. But many people, even those with POTs, treat runDisney as a fun run and don't get anywhere near their POT times during the races.
I agree with this very much! I know I ran pretty close to my POT pace in between stops. The extra time reflected in my finishing time was the actual stopping of movement, not because I ran much slower.To my mind, being placed in an early PoT corral, and then having a longer finish time because you are stopping for character lines, rides, etc., is different from being placed in an early PoT corral and just planning on moving significantly more slowly right from the beginning. Moving at a speed that is appropriate to the corral placement (or even within a minute or 2 per mile) and then pulling off and stopping, doesn't have an effect on the ability of other people to move ahead at their planned or comfortable speed. Setting off at a much slower speed and moving at that speed on course throughout is going to cause more congestion. These are different things, as far as affecting others' race experience.
Thank you for expressing this sentiment. I'm always very bothered by the "you're wasting your money" or "you're not going to win" narratives but can never find the right words.I don't think this point is fair. rD is for time, for some. I see a lot of this narrative in the rD FB groups as a reason why people shouldn't care about corral placements. Like, "why are you running so hard, it's Disney. You're not going to win so who cares?" I'll use myself as an example. Last year I was trying to PR the marathon. And I'm already looking towards next year to do the same. Why? Because the rD marathon has a great course set up for me to be distracted, have fun, while still running a marathon. Everyone has different reasons they run and why they do rD. Who are we to say whether or not a race is for time or not? @azrivest - I'm not singling you out for this comment so please don't take it that way! I have read this same sentiment a lot and I get where it's coming from. It's not always true though.
I agree with this very much! I know I ran pretty close to my POT pace in between stops. The extra time reflected in my finishing time was the actual stopping of movement, not because I ran much slower.
I hate to say this, because I get people want the security of more time to finish, but the worst corral is C. And it's because it has a mixed bag of people intending to run and people who are there to get a head start. And not only do they want the head start some will place themselves in the front of C. It is unsafe. And I'd argue is where post-race dialogue holds the most complaints between runners and walkers.
I always have a hard time expressing my thoughts on this matter because I don't want to come off as insensitive or elitist (I am a very average runner). I want there to be room for everyone, of all paces, but not at the expense of someone else's race experience...just because it's Disney. So I guess selfishly, I don't want my race experience to be negatively impacted because runners slower than myself self-seed themselves into a higher corral. I don't know if expanding the POT to 2:30 is enough but I guess we will see next race season.
If the half is moved to 2:30, it's a pretty safe assumption the marathon PoT would change to 5 hours. The bigger question in my mind is if the new 2:30 is just for Disneyland or will also apply to WDW. I think there's a 90% chance it's the same on both coasts. It would cause a lot of confusion and frustration if it's not, but who knows.Sooo.... would the marathon PoT be moved out to 5 hours, if the half is moved out to 2:30:00?
Sooo.... would the marathon PoT be moved out to 5 hours, if the half is moved out to 2:30:00?
If the half is moved to 2:30, it's a pretty safe assumption the marathon PoT would change to 5 hours. The bigger question in my mind is if the new 2:30 is just for Disneyland or will also apply to WDW. I think there's a 90% chance it's the same on both coasts. It would cause a lot of confusion and frustration if it's not, but who knows.
I think if rD really cared about this issue they would have kept the 2:45 POT and maybe even expanded it into a 3:00 corral. Unfortunately for the runners, that apparently entails more work verifying POTs than rD is willing to invest in.
I'm going to guess that a significant contributor is all the complaints they got over corral placement when there were more people placed via PoT. "Why am I in E when my friend is in D and our times are almost the same" etc etc. For very little benefit to the experience once you get beyond a certain pace. Just guessing but it's an educated guess from observing internet reaction to corral placement. Better (from the org's perspective) to just let people seed themselves for the most part. I also guess this is why they don't publish corral placement to bib number grids prior to race weekend anymore as well.I think you are right, and it exemplifies Disney financial logic. They will have Photopass photographers have to manually tag each bib of the hundreds of pictures for each of the 20,000+ runners, but won’t put any staff on verifying POTs. I bet someone with a passing knowledge of Excel could easily create a spreadsheet to seed the corrals, and then 10 staff members could verify the field in a day.
if all 12k runners for the half submitted a POT (as in, there was no cap, and you didn't start verifying them until 10/7, after the POT window/submission window) and you stopped on 12/20, they would only have to do ~250/day only using business days (i.e. taking off thanksgiving weekend.) and we know that plenty of people submit their POT well before that and they could get those done with a few days per month over the summer/early fall. Couple that with the fact that everyone doing Dopey/Goofy is included in that, and you'd only have a few thousand others to verify for "just" the marathon.I think you are right, and it exemplifies Disney financial logic. They will have Photopass photographers have to manually tag each bib of the hundreds of pictures for each of the 20,000+ runners, but won’t put any staff on verifying POTs. I bet someone with a passing knowledge of Excel could easily create a spreadsheet to seed the corrals, and then 10 staff members could verify the field in a day.